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Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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The X-Men films may be pretty divisive (if not wildly inconsistent in quality), but they almost always stayed focused on their mutants-as-the-outsiders allegory. From their interpretations of God Loves, Man Kills, of Apocalypse, the Phoenix, Joss Whedon's 'cure' storyline, Days of Future Past, Wolverine in Japan, Old Man Logan, their trash Weapon X film - they covered a fair bit of ground but still stayed centered on that approach.

It's one thing with the Fantastic Four since Doom never reflected the real Doom. It's one thing with Spider-Man since that character's context in the world around him never matched his position in the comics as an underdog superhero. That, and they had to tell a Goblin storyline literally every other movie.

But Fox never strayed that far from the X-Men's key allegory, however clumsily done. Apocalypse may have been woefully unimpressive and boring and tonally off-putting (*insert shot of Psylocke in her leotard as Magneto blows up Auschwitz). But... waking back up, gathering a bunch of X-Men as his four horsemen in order to decimate huge swaths of the planet so that only the strong survive... I mean, that's Apocalypse. Days of Future Past still gets the point of the story and is still pretty good. It'd be hard to justify ever doing that again. Do you tell another sentinel story, just... I dunno, with Master Mold? As if we haven't already had a "self-replicating robot army that has a twisted idea about saving the Earth" plot in the MCU? I mean it's been over a decade since Last Stand, but even divorced of who was directing it, there's this feeling of redundancy when you hear about them doing another Phoenix movie.

Is it enough to carry a franchise on the notion of a version of Cyclops that isn't a useless dork? As wonderfully silly as Sauron is, how interesting can your "X-Men get lost in a dinosaur jungle" movie be that it won't feel like a one-off episode of a TV show? There's a ton of potential for Mr. Sinister, but does he stick around or is he another one-off? Asteroid M? You can't really start with a House of M movie. Genosha brings up interesting questions but that feels like something you have to build up to.

What can the X-Men movies do to make some worthwhile adaptations without just retreading the Fox films and going "Oh but this time we'll get it right because... Emma Frost is here?"
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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Everybody wears costumes close to their comic book appearances ESPECIALLY Wolverine.
 

Boclfon479

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Oct 25, 2017
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They should leave the old stories behind and use different ones.... besides magneto.

My dream is they do magneto in the first X-men movie with another villain and have it set up Onslaught as a villain in the second or third one. Then have the avengers come in and say that the mutants have gotten too dangerous after onslaught and have it become an Avengers Vs X-men movie.

That is what I would LOVE auto watch, though so feel like onslaught might be a bit hard to get the look of right in a movie
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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Okay. How do you tell a story around that?

To make people feel "at ease" with Mutants to essentially ape the Avengers. Lean hard into discrimination while starting off with Magneto and the Brotherhood, expanding to some of the bigger crazy ass stories that Fox stumbled with.

Maybe Mr. Sinister for the sequel since he hasn't really been touched yet while exploring Cyclops' backstory.
 

hipsterpants

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Oct 25, 2017
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I want to see the motherfucking Brood show up because the first Brood saga is the actual best X-Men arc. But that would probably have to be rated R and that's never happening in the MCU.

Alternatively give me Breakworld but that would require a good amount of build up. I demand to see that "To me, my X-Men" Cyclops sequence on the big screen at least once in my life.
 

enzo_gt

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Oct 25, 2017
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They'll be infinitely better from not focusing on characters like Mystique to begin with because Feige is not as incompetent as Fox. That makes almost all those storylines ripe for re-doing, but I think Marvel Studios will edge away from that.

Methinks House of M is probably where they'll go. Would love to see Mr. Sinister, though. And way down the line, an actually good Days of Future Past.
 

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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Do them good? Days of the Future Past and God Loves, Mans Kill was fucking butchered
 

No Depth

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Oct 27, 2017
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Highlight the mutants that got short shrift(basically anyone that wasn't Wolverine, Xavier, and Magneto).

There is no reason storylines couldn't be recaptured as Cyclops, Storm, and many others play significant roles in the family and were practically absent in the Fox movies. A more balanced approach to integrate the 'All New, All Different!" team could go a LONG way to connecting with audiences, even with story retreads.
 

broncobuster

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Oct 26, 2017
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Considering when a potential X-Men film could release, it'd be far enough from the other movie stories (barring whatever Dark Phoenix is doing) that revising similar stories is fine. Main thing is, if they go with Magneto, that they don't erase his backstory.
 

rude

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Oct 25, 2017
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Every storyline Fox tackled from the comics was butchered horribly. Retreading old ground isn't a concern considering the old ground wasn't actually really adapted.
 
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Khanimus

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Greater Vancouver
By doing them correctly.

If they do them correctly, they won't retread old ground.
But the MCU has rarely cared about doing storylines "correctly." Winter Soldier doesn't have Bucky reawoken by Steve holding a cosmic cube, and the movie sure as hell is more thematically resonant than the comic. Infinity War doesn't have Thanos making his version of Krieger's anime girlfriend to make Death jealous as Mephisto tries whispering dating advice into his ear. Hank Pym never had a say in Ultron's creation. Hulk didn't get launched into space by Stark, Reed, Xavier, Namor, Black Bolt and T'Challa. Tony isn't enlisting supervillains to catch Steve in Civil War while Ben Urich investigates on the side. The list goes on.
 

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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But the MCU has rarely cared about doing storylines "correctly." Winter Soldier doesn't have Bucky reawoken by Steve holding a cosmic cube, and the movie sure as hell is more thematically resonant than the comic. Infinity War doesn't have Thanos making his version of Krieger's anime girlfriend to make Death jealous as Mephisto tries whispering dating advice into his ear. Hank Pym never had a say in Ultron's creation. Hulk didn't get launched into space by Stark, Reed, Xavier, Namor, Black Bolt and T'Challa. Tony isn't enlisting supervillains to catch Steve in Civil War while Ben Urich investigates on the side. The list goes on.
It adapted the spirit not the letter, which is arguebly more important. They tackled the themes and handled them well.
 

Slayven

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As someone who has never read the comics, how was Days of Future Past butchered? It's considered to be one of the better X-Men movies so what would have it made it better?
The horrible focus on Mystique, and having Trask being ultimately meaningless to the plot.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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As someone who has never read the comics, how was Days of Future Past butchered? It's considered to be one of the better X-Men movies so what would have it made it better?

The film was just concerned with being a good film then really an adaptation to be honest, just took some foundations, and worked on its own, kind of like Logan wasn't the batshit insane Old Man Logan comics.
 

modewarp

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would like to see morlocks (including calypso / storm stuff), sentinels could be worked into a proper story revolving around genosha, since they will eventually have to revisit magneto of course, I'd like to see the asteroid M stuff from the relaunch 90's xmen #1. I want to see animated phalanx. Maybe have some interesting side stuff like the legacy virus and colossus's sister. _Definitely_ want to see things culminate in a fatal attractions arc.
 

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They'll be infinitely better from not focusing on characters like Mystique to begin with because Feige is not as incompetent as Fox. That makes almost all those storylines ripe for re-doing, but I think Marvel Studios will edge away from that.

Methinks House of M is probably where they'll go. Would love to see Mr. Sinister, though. And way down the line, an actually good Days of Future Past.

Seriously, can someone told me why they focused on mystique of all people? When I think of the X-Men she's like 15th on that list
 

Robin

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My guess is Marvel will end up doing House of M / Second Coming / Messiah Complex and then AvX. Which probably isn't going to work as well as it did for Civil War, because those events save for House of M all sucked.
 

SageShinigami

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It adapted the spirit not the letter, which is arguebly more important. They tackled the themes and handled them well.

Yeah I'm always baffled when people say the Disney films don't care about adapting a story well. When people say Disney does it right they don't mean the granular details, they mean the soul of the story.

My guess is Marvel will end up doing House of M / Second Coming / Messiah Complex and then AvX. Which probably isn't going to work as well as it did for Civil War, because those events save for House of M all sucked.

They can't do...any of those. They rely on having decades of stories and the assumption that there were too many mutants / all the mutants died off / this is the only way to bring the mutants back.
 
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Khanimus

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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The horrible focus on Mystique, and having Trask being ultimately meaningless to the plot.
But the comic story was always about "Hey Mystique is gonna kill someone." Only the movie, Lawrence's popularity aside, chooses to confront Mystique directly about that choice based on what they established with First Class as opposed to just "Hey we need to punch her!"
 

Slayven

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But the comic story was always about "Hey Mystique is gonna kill someone." Only the movie, Lawrence's popularity aside, chooses to confront Mystique directly about that choice based on what they established with First Class as opposed to just "Hey we need to punch her!"
Mystique was the butterfly of the effect. The story was about Kitty getting everyone to believe her
 

Saifu

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jon bones

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Arcade as an intro

Mr Sinister & the Summers

Sauron & the Savage Lands

If this deal goes through we'll finally get some real x men ass movies
 

Callibretto

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wonder if Marvel is going to do the Homecoming thing where they deliberately avoid characters and villains that have been in the previous movies. Marvel Spidey intentionally avoid all the spiderman staples like Osborns, Mary Jane, Gwen, and bigger villain Green Goblin etc.

can you make X-Men movies without Magneto and Xavier?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Highlight the mutants that got short shrift(basically anyone that wasn't Wolverine, Xavier, and Magneto).

This is at least 75% of it, yeah.

I've said this before, but the prevailing approach of the Singerverse has been to adapt a handful of key elements with great reverence and respect (namely, the aforementioned three characters and the core mutants-as-minority theme), and to approach the rest of the source material very shallowly, as little more than a database of character names and power sets. Apocalypse probably diverged the most from this mold with its increased focus on the younger team, but it was still too little, too late.

Marvel Studios will take its share of liberties with characters, they always do, but it shouldn't exactly be hard to do a better job of adapting the property than Fox did.
 

Dennis8K

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Oct 25, 2017
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God Loves, Man Kills
Days of Future Past
Dark Phoenix Saga
House of M


Just do it right this time without all the Bryan Singer bullshit.

Feiger, the X-Men are your crown jewel. Not that Avengers thing you had to settle for.
 
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Khanimus

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Mystique was the butterfly of the effect. The story was about Kitty getting everyone to believe her
I mean... okay? They cover that with Logan poking at Xavier about his truths, but then turn it into a story about rebuilding someone who is at his lowest point. Having the most confused and broken X-Man trying to pass the buck on the very person who saves him 3 decades later. Not sure how the movie isn't an improvement when you have this scene:


 

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just make good movies

watching Kinda Funny's X Men in Review series has reminded me that there hasn't been a legitimately good X Men movie yet. let's start there.

also they have to do the Phoenix thing at some point so we can get Avengers vs. X Men :^) but seriously they should do what they always do and use the name of the event and change whatever to make it work. AvX would be a great premise to have for a movie.
 

PhazonBlonde

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This. Do it Disney.

Just do different stuff too. Brood wars, Mojoverse, Asteroid M+Acolytes and Fatal Attraxtions, Sinister, Morlocks and Mutant Massacre, Legacy Virus +Strife, Inferno (i want this most), Reavers, Age of Apocalypse, Second Coming/Messiah complex, AvX.... there's tons more to adapt.

Also make wolverine be Laura Kinney. Boom all new wolverine movies.
 

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean... okay? They cover that with Logan poking at Xavier about his truths, but then turn it into a story about rebuilding someone who is at his lowest point. Having the most confused and broken X-Man trying to pass the buck on the very person who saves him 3 decades later. Not sure how the movie isn't an improvement when you have this scene:



Magneto flips like a switch and decides to be a massive dick for no reason