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christocolus

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I could see them becoming Microsoft's best studio for story driven games over time.
I was just talking about this..based on Phil's comment about creativity and talent, i can see why they went for NT. They are the only independent studio capable of creating cinematic third person action games close to what the AAA devs are able to put out. They built Hellblade with just 20- 30 devs on a limited budget, now imagine what they'll be able to do with over 150 devs and the full backing of a publisher like MS.
 

Hawk269

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You people believing turn 10 when they say they're not working on forza motosport 8 lol, whatch they release it next year to the surprise of everyone lol.

Yeah I agree. I know what the guy at T10 said, but Forza 7 came out in October of 2017 and they recently said they were working on improving F7. It is just strange that they are just announcing they want to improve F7 when they should of mentioned that a month or two after it released. Turn 10 has been on a 2 year dev cycle for a long time, it is hard for me to believe even with what the person from T10 saying they are not working on F8 that they don't have a small part of the team already on F8. I also find it hard to believe that the entire team at T10 are working on F7 and whatever support they give to PG for Forza Horizon 4. Just seems odd that they are not working on it. The other thing is F7 is almost a dead product. Don't get me wrong I love the franchise and I have every Forza game made, but 7 was just not that great and them focusing their entire team to pretty much put lip stick on a pig seems a bit odd to me. One of the things that many have requested are more tracks and their response was "maybe", "nothing to say right now" etc. We been getting a shit ton of cars, but fans want qualifying, proper pit stops, more tracks and tree's that don't like they came out of a grade school cut out book.
 

Ushay

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I still think a dedicated RPG studio could do a world of good for MS 1P, particularly Game Pass. They have a very respectable base of studios now that posseses great diversity.

RPGs are typically lenghty and require fairly high player investment, which is exactly what they are looking for, pkayer engagement. With that in mind Larian or Obsidian would be key acquisitions for MS on both PC and Xbox.
 

christocolus

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I still think a dedicated RPG studio could do a world of good for MS 1P, particularly Game Pass. They have a very respectable base of studios now that posseses great diversity.

RPGs are typically lenghty and require fairly high player investment, which is exactly what they are looking for, pkayer engagement. With that in mind Larian or Obsidian would be key acquisitions for MS on both PC and Xbox.
I believe Playground Games second team will do just that...as they expand they'll probably start handling more stuff.
 

SharpX68K

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4A games is another one MS should buy. I am of the strong opinion that MS NEEDS to capture the mainland European market and needs to do more investing in that area. 4A games is perfect for that. I love how their games look and they would fit well into the Xbox family. Also I hear MS and 4A have a good relationship.

I totally agree that Microsoft should buy 4A Games, and that would certainly help Microsoft capture the mainland European market.

Imagine Metro Exodus Redux on Scarlet running at native 4K and 60fps with the enhanced global illumination & shadow effects shown at GDC 2018.
 

JINX

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Ideally Playground could take the same approach as Bethesda, alternating between two IP's. Fable and then a new IP, if they make an amazing game with Fable, then they will have a fanbase that will transfer over to the new IP. Have a pre-pro team working on the new IP while they are in production on Fable.
 

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Crackdown 3 should launch with a F2P BR mode that puts players in a fully destructible online world.

Microsoft would make money hand over fist.
 

VinFTW

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I still think a dedicated RPG studio could do a world of good for MS 1P, particularly Game Pass. They have a very respectable base of studios now that posseses great diversity.

RPGs are typically lenghty and require fairly high player investment, which is exactly what they are looking for, pkayer engagement. With that in mind Larian or Obsidian would be key acquisitions for MS on both PC and Xbox.
OBSIDIANNNNNNNN


My DREAMS are Certain Affinity on Perfect Dark
Obsidian on an RPG (Kameo reboot? Mass Effect style game?)
Armature + support studios on Recore 2.
 

OneBadMutha

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I still think a dedicated RPG studio could do a world of good for MS 1P, particularly Game Pass. They have a very respectable base of studios now that posseses great diversity.

RPGs are typically lenghty and require fairly high player investment, which is exactly what they are looking for, pkayer engagement. With that in mind Larian or Obsidian would be key acquisitions for MS on both PC and Xbox.

Agree on all of that. Biggest hole in their lineup of studios. Xbox used to be the best place to find Western RPGs. Behind FPS and racing, RPGs were next in terms of genre Xbox was strongest in. Hoping a traditional RPG comes back.
 

pswii60

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Yeah it was discussed a good while back. Job adverts mentioned a new IP.
I still think a dedicated RPG studio could do a world of good for MS 1P, particularly Game Pass. They have a very respectable base of studios now that posseses great diversity.

RPGs are typically lenghty and require fairly high player investment, which is exactly what they are looking for, pkayer engagement. With that in mind Larian or Obsidian would be key acquisitions for MS on both PC and Xbox.
They have one now with the Playground RPG studio.
 

darthpaxton

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That's fascinating. I thought with the success of the Crash remaster and the hype around the Spyro remaster, a return to Banjo was incredibly likely for Rare.

If they aren't doing a Banjo reboot, I wonder if Microsoft has another company working on it. A 4K/60 Banjo collection launching on Scarlett, followed by a new game in the following year would be a slam dunk. I wonder if Playful could be working on that?
 

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I still think a dedicated RPG studio could do a world of good for MS 1P, particularly Game Pass. They have a very respectable base of studios now that posseses great diversity.

RPGs are typically lenghty and require fairly high player investment, which is exactly what they are looking for, pkayer engagement. With that in mind Larian or Obsidian would be key acquisitions for MS on both PC and Xbox.

Honestly, I'm really content without Microsoft dedicating that amount of resources to RPG studios. Fable will be more than enough for me in terms of first party. I'd rather see them go all-in on third party and do whatever it takes to get JRPG games on Xbox. Persona 5, Ni No Kuni 2, and Final Fantasy remasters are games that I would have gladly played on Xbox if I had the option.
 

Superman2x7

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Just pulled the trigger and got the Doom/Wolfenstein 2 bundle. I'm excited!!! Played Doom the year it came out but only got half way.

What are people's thought on Wolfenstein's actual gameplay. I hear the story for 2 is epic in so many ways (giantbomb) I bought the first one on sale a couple months ago and maybe played 4-5 hours. I want to play more just never got around to it. I'm not a big fan of the gunplay, does 2 get better in that regard!? I don't mind slogging through the fire fights just hope it's more versatile then the first game.
 

Marano

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Yeah I agree. I know what the guy at T10 said, but Forza 7 came out in October of 2017 and they recently said they were working on improving F7. It is just strange that they are just announcing they want to improve F7 when they should of mentioned that a month or two after it released. Turn 10 has been on a 2 year dev cycle for a long time, it is hard for me to believe even with what the person from T10 saying they are not working on F8 that they don't have a small part of the team already on F8. I also find it hard to believe that the entire team at T10 are working on F7 and whatever support they give to PG for Forza Horizon 4. Just seems odd that they are not working on it. The other thing is F7 is almost a dead product. Don't get me wrong I love the franchise and I have every Forza game made, but 7 was just not that great and them focusing their entire team to pretty much put lip stick on a pig seems a bit odd to me. One of the things that many have requested are more tracks and their response was "maybe", "nothing to say right now" etc. We been getting a shit ton of cars, but fans want qualifying, proper pit stops, more tracks and tree's that don't like they came out of a grade school cut out book.
I think their top priority now for F8 is improving the career mode, I think there's a lot of potential there if they do it right.
 

Marano

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One thing I was thinking about is we are lucky playground's fable team inception was already underway before the acquisition as something playground wanted to do, I'm not sure if Microsoft owned playground before the second team, they would let playground build a second team.
 

Steelyuhas

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Rare (specifically studio head Craig Duncan) has consistently said their focus is on creating new experiences and they aren't interested in revisiting their old IP unless it's a completely fresh idea for a game using that IP.
aka they are not making a 90s platformer in 2018
Now that doesn't mean you won't see Rare's IP used by MSFT, KI and now Battletoads being examples of that.
 
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I totally agree that Microsoft should buy 4A Games, and that would certainly help Microsoft capture the mainland European market.

Imagine Metro Exodus Redux on Scarlet running at native 4K and 60fps with the enhanced global illumination & shadow effects shown at GDC 2018.
I also support this, would be super expensive but 4A makes amazing games, and you can tell they are scaling up each metro series, I expect, the next iteration to be a full on open world game.
 

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One thing I was thinking about is we are lucky playground's fable team inception was already underway before the acquisition as something playground wanted to do, I'm not sure if Microsoft owned playground before the second team, they would let playground build a second team.

Do we have any reason to believe that the second team wasn't formed as part of the acquisition? I know it happened awhile ago now, but acquisitions don't happen overnight either.
 

Alandring

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I would only believe that if they had a third forza game ready for 2019, then motosport 8 could release 2020 and horizon 5 would get an extra year too releasing in 2021, honestly it's possible, but what kind of game would it be? Forza Rally? Forza Kart? And who could be developing it? Keeping in mind Forza has set the quality bar pretty high for racing games.
There is a lot of reason to don't release a Forza game next year :
  • Forza 7 didn't sell well.
  • The next Xbox will probably launch in 2020. They need an exclusive Forza at launch and Motorsport is better than Horizon for that (it's not open world, so it's easier to develop and its graphics are better).
  • We don't need a Motorsport each two years. Really. The game is perfect for the game as a service model: they could just release DLC and expansions. My hope is that next gen will only have one Motorsport and one Horizon, but a lot of expansions for these games.
 

Klobrille

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I still think a dedicated RPG studio could do a world of good for MS 1P, particularly Game Pass. They have a very respectable base of studios now that posseses great diversity.

RPGs are typically lenghty and require fairly high player investment, which is exactly what they are looking for, pkayer engagement. With that in mind Larian or Obsidian would be key acquisitions for MS on both PC and Xbox.
They just acquired a RPG studio - Playground Games. People forget that sometimes, but MS got 6 new studios - not 5.

I get where you are coming from though.
 
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Rodeo Clown

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One thing I was thinking about is we are lucky playground's fable team inception was already underway before the acquisition as something playground wanted to do, I'm not sure if Microsoft owned playground before the second team, they would let playground build a second team.
I would argue it would've happened under current Microsoft leadership. The last year or so, all of Microsoft's studios have been heavily hiring and building up. Rare now has the Sea of Thieves sustain and their other team making a new IP, 343 has over 500 people and multiple teams, including their MCC patch and sustain, Halo Infinite development, etc.

Whenever Microsoft approved their Fable pitch, they definitely understood that they'd be bankrolling the building of a new studio, basically. I'm sure it was easier given how Xbox first party studios and budget were managed under Terry Myserson, but if the people at Playground pitched it a year later, I bet it still happens. It's the kind of investment that Phil and Matt Booty are in the market to make.
 

Sydle

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There is a lot of reason to don't release a Forza game next year :
  • Forza 7 didn't sell well.
  • The next Xbox will probably launch in 2020. They need an exclusive Forza at launch and Motorsport is better than Horizon for that (it's not open world, so it's easier to develop and its graphics are better).
  • We don't need a Motorsport each two years. Really. The game is perfect for the game as a service model: they could just release DLC and expansions. My hope is that next gen will only have one Motorsport and one Horizon, but a lot of expansions for these games.

Agreed.
 

borges

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My crazy guess is that Turn 10 / PG will announce a third Forza game series (A Forza Rally maybe?) and then make new versions of each of the entries (Motorsport, Horizon and TBD) every 3 years.
 

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Rare for a while has been turned into a new IP studio. Rare Replay was really the last time they touched old stuff and released it. They will go back to 2 teams making new IP like in the 90's and early 2000's altho obviously with not the same speed of release since games now are way bigger and something like Sea of Thieves will have more than a year worth on updates.
 

Hawk269

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My crazy dream/guess would be that T10 and PG work together to make Forza World Racing. Where you have the open world and events like Forza Horizon, then you get random invitations to go race at circuits. Once you reach the circuit you play the circuit like Forza Motorsports. Once you are done it tells you the next Circuit Based Race is in "X" amount of days and in-between you are doing things like you normally do in Forza Horizon. Basically combining both FH and FM into one game.
 
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My crazy guess is that Turn 10 / PG will announce a third Forza game series (A Forza Rally maybe?) and then make new versions of each of the entries (Motorsport, Horizon and TBD) every 3 years.
I hope not, 2 forzas is a lot of forza's.

unless its like Forza SSX!
add cross play between generes, snow board down a mountain, get run over by someone playing horizon 4
 
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Obviously we're here just speculating but I think (and strongly hope) XBOX brings something other than Halo and Forza to Scarlett's launch window. I stress that that's not a knock on those franchises as they always do well within the core community. It's just that outside of that, I don't think they really help broaden the XBOX audience especially here in Europe. I firmly believe Fable could bridge that momentum gap but I'm bordering wishful thinking by hoping it'll be a launch title.

New Studios are fantastic and I believe that the new Halo and Forza will keep the core audience happy. But if this generation starts next year I believe XBOX will need something special.
next year? all the rumor talks about 2020, are we in 2019? Well looks like it's a different perspective because I'm one of the core guy of the trio which love their gameplay, to me nothing else matters(necessary metallica quote), I hope they focus all their money on gameplay focused game intstead of the trend of heavy narrative ow which I hate as nothing else in gaming.
 

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Forza 7 is the 20th best selling game of 2017 according to that link, how is that not selling well? Yes GT Sport beat it, but it's GT and the first outing on PS4. We've had Forza 5 + 6 + 7 on XBO in the time GT Sport has been in development for PS4, so I'd suggest the combined sales of those entries would stack up nicely. But even on its own, it's beaten games like Uncharted Lost Legacy in a shorter timeframe.
 

jem

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Forza 7 is the 20th best selling game of 2017 according to that link, how is that not selling well? Yes GT Sport beat it, but it's GT and the first outing on PS4. We've had Forza 5 + 6 + 7 on XBO in the time GT Sport has been in development for PS4, so I'd suggest the combined sales of those entries would stack up nicely. But even on its own, it's beaten games like Uncharted Lost Legacy in a shorter timeframe.
Yeah, 20th doesn't seem too bad to me.

It beat Shadow of War which is quite impressive considering the UK loves the LOTR.
 
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So the story is 1000% true

Sony FP has the best pipeline and support system in the business to create big story-based games. Some people don't realize all of the support a publisher can give a developer, and that's true of every major publisher for every major game.

Marvel approached Sony, wanting them to do one of their characters right with a big first-party story game. They wanted to work with one of the developers Sony FP works with frequently, and even mentioned us by name to Sony as a developer who they felt particularly fit.

Sony approached us, we were interested (obv!), and they told us Marvel wanted us to pick which hero we most wanted to play with. We picked Spider-Man (obv!).


All real, all how it happened, no ties to any other deal or circumstance.
This is interesting and different of how Adam Bois described the deal.

Didn't he say on that GiantBomb interview that he reached out to John mentioning that Sony really wanted a game like Batman and then John gave them a contact at Marvel and that's how it went down.
 

Marano

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I would argue it would've happened under current Microsoft leadership. The last year or so, all of Microsoft's studios have been heavily hiring and building up. Rare now has the Sea of Thieves sustain and their other team making a new IP, 343 has over 500 people and multiple teams, including their MCC patch and sustain, Halo Infinite development, etc.

Whenever Microsoft approved their Fable pitch, they definitely understood that they'd be bankrolling the building of a new studio, basically. I'm sure it was easier given how Xbox first party studios and budget were managed under Terry Myserson, but if the people at Playground pitched it a year later, I bet it still happens. It's the kind of investment that Phil and Matt Booty are in the market to make.
Under current microsofft leadership yeah it would have happened, not sure about it back in the beginning of 2017 though.
 

Marano

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There is a lot of reason to don't release a Forza game next year :
  • Forza 7 didn't sell well.
  • The next Xbox will probably launch in 2020. They need an exclusive Forza at launch and Motorsport is better than Horizon for that (it's not open world, so it's easier to develop and its graphics are better).
  • We don't need a Motorsport each two years. Really. The game is perfect for the game as a service model: they could just release DLC and expansions. My hope is that next gen will only have one Motorsport and one Horizon, but a lot of expansions for these games.
The one game they can always count to be there yearly is forza, I'm not sure if they want to give that up.
 
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