I mean yeah?
Though its worrying thats worth more attention that the actual original post.
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The Escapist getting relaunched, "leaving politics at the door"
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I mean yeah?
Though its worrying thats worth more attention that the actual original post.
Then multiple people gave you examples of why this isn't true and you just dismissed them.
Let's ignore the fact that you clearly know nothing about me personally. The point I was making is that people are purposefully taking him saying that they are "leaving politics at the door" as something other than it's intended meaning of no right vs. left wing modern day politics.
Theres not a single example that contradicts the fact that magnetic soccer is apolitical.
Oh, there's plenty of ways for them to change my views.
One of those ways is by not pandering to GG with the "we're not going to bring politics into it". There are multiple ways to not pander to the extremist crowd the escapist had.
For example, one could be clear that to them, "being queer and posting about games" is also what they consider nonpolitical, and that they will have a diverse cast of writers, ensuring their website is not heavily politically biased in favor of opinions on the world that are limited to what benefits angry white dudes.
They could do that. There's plenty of angles to take. I wonder if they will.
What is certain is this: They certainly won't do it by doing the exact same pandering and holding the exact same stance they already did during gamergate.
Actually, I know a fair bit, for example that you consider people stupid and confused for calling a political stance political. Why should I not judge you by your actions?
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Kind of unrelated to the discussion. We're talking about what writers are doing, not the readers.
You're seeing a lame boob joke as a developer commentary about representation and design.
Frankly, that's on you for reading waaaay too far into it.
I'm pretty sure you know exact what the OP was talking about when he said they need to be everywhere, there's no need to get hung out on semantics and point out incredibly obscure games to basically say "nuh uh."
You are genuinely arguing that Magnetic Soccer has political connotations?
Anything is political when you stretch yourself hard enough to see something that's probably not actually there. The mario example (the nonsense relationship between mario, peach and bowser thing) being a pretty good one here. When I saw that I'm like you guys put way more thought into all these stories than Nintendo did.
I don't really need to? If you think it's a fact you're already convinced it's beyond argument. Effectively, you're saying that Magnetic Soccer is like gravity. That the game being apolitical is just the natural order of things.
Yes, and thats my whole point since the beginning. That politics is in many places and things, but definetely not everywhere, and then, OP statement that politics is 'EVERYWHERE' is not true.
Quite literally every single one of these examples had political agendas, messages, and intent in mind when they were being created.
Super Mario Bros, Sonic, Castlevania, Mega man, and Pac Man
By "need to be everywhere." What OP means is, at the forefront, and they are, politics are at the forefront of this medium just like every other art form.
A = A.
Magnetic Soccer is apolitical.
Its a fact, not my opinion.
Unless you present evidence to contradict this.
As you are the one stating this, the onus is on you to prove it. So what is your evidence proving this?
This isn't data. This is a statement. A hypothesis at best (though not really, since it comes with no methodology for obtaining certainty).
Is gender political? If it is, and right-wingers sure think it is, the choice for a male-coded soccer player-figure-thing on the cover is already political.
Likely not intentionally by the marketing...or is it? The marketing wants to market the game to boys, so for example randomly rolling on the art and having a female player end up on the cover wouldn't do. Or "male player" in "table soccer" is considered to be default, so it is just done because "that's how it is", which is also political.
Political does not mean "has evil master plan for horrific crimes", it just means "The personal is political."
But in the context of this thread and what the writer is saying ("Leaving politics at the door") in the post this thread covers it is exactly what he means. People are getting hung up on semantics instead of discussing the substance.
That I have played the game. For the material evidence, I assume you are capable enough to google it.
I'm trying to play devil's advocate here, but what if you take a look at this from the opposite side? Not the GG side, but the side that not only against GG, but also want a purely game news. We exist, also. I share the disappointment on how one human treat another human unfair, just because they have different views on sexuality, or maybe skin color, and if I somehow have the power or authority to push humanity toward mutual understanding, I would do that. But I also don't want every articles (hyperbole, I know) have to relate with this pursue, either. Not everything has to be the flagwaving of social and political issues.
This isn't data. This is a statement. A hypothesis at best (though not really, since it comes with no methodology for obtaining certainty).
You playing a game is not evidence of a lack of politics. To begin with, you'd at least need to state what you think politics is to argue that this game lacks them.
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It's already a wasteland. It was the beta test of the new old country
That would be ideal, but in reality, GG/alt-right sees their political beliefs as "apolitical" and "neutral", so any deviation from that means the topic in question is being politicized. GG considers things like there being women or POC writters, developers, gamers or even as game characters existence as political and even a serious offense.
The thing about leaving politics at the door is that what is considered apolitical varies a lot depending on who you are and what you beleive.
Yes, really. You brought up American politics in a thread that wasn't about American politics.
"Politics" ≠ "American Politics"
By political im referring to the classic Aristotelic definition. And yes, having played magnetic soccer goves me enough proofs to assert that. Unless, as ive said, you present evidence of the contrary.
No, people are simply realizing that the escapist already tried this exact stance, so we already know where they ended up with it.
We also know what Russ is like - ie, a guy with dismissive opinions on women, who thinks negging women is okay, and who thinks going all ~her pussy is on sale~ loud enough to drive a woman out of a room is okay.
I understand, this kind of stuff is apolitical and neutral to many guys, but it sure isn't to me.
Okay, I will ignore the usual "devil's advocate" issue on this topic, because we both know that the whole "devil's advocate" thing on GG subject is poisoned so much that the individual poisons have poisoned each other to death and turned into sludge zombie oozes.
So, let's go with it and assume that you want purely gaming news. You yourself also said that "articles relating to pushing humanity to mutual understanding" is not "purely game news" and thus would be out.
It just so happens that I think completely blending out that part is inherently deeply political, because it shuts down people like me (ie, queer) from the conversation entirely, because it treats my existance (or lack thereof) as something too political to discuss. So yes, I think blending all of that out is deeply political - it erases entire parts of the population-
Obviously, not every article has to be about "maybe you shouldn't freak out about two queers kissing in a trailer". Most articles don't have to be about that. But why does an author have to keep silent on these topics? They are important to many in the audience. Going further, if a game is deeply sexist, this affects me, and as a consumer, I'd want to know this, so I can avoid the game. Surely, then, it deserves to be part of the review? It can be even more important to many consumers than knowing details about the graphical fidelty. But it is political - mainly because loud, angry dudes decided it is. Now what does an apolitical site do with that?
That's a question that should probably be answered.
Not to mention..., I think that discussing games like "SNK Heroines" accurately is outright impossible without politics, because the game itself is dripping with politics.
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Which is what? Explain what you mean.
No, it doesn't. This isn't evidence. It's a belief.
What you are saying is akin to me saying, "I can fly." And because I said it, that makes it true.
I don't know any of his history or the website's. If they take a step out of line then I will simply stop visiting.
Edit: Actually based on what you've said I probably won't visit in the first place.
Not everyone needs to use their jobs as political platforms. It's OK to separate your political views from your entertainment or your social life (same with religion, by the way). I can support or criticise government policy but I don't need to do it in every forum I frequent.
Yes, there are some people who eat, sleep and breathe politics to a point where it pervades everything they see or do... but there are a lot of people for whom politics is only a part of their lives, who don't feel the need to express themselves politically 24/7. The first type of people may see the second type as lazy sheep or 'traitors to the cause', and the second type may see the first type as obsessed. Not seeing eye to eye on the level of political interest or involvement is inevitable. Hopefully we can all treat people respectfully regardless.
La política es una actividad orientada en forma ideológica a la toma de decisiones de un grupo para alcanzar ciertos objetivos.
In that case, I genuinely apologize for any previous comment, I assumed you had googled it or knew it. Not knowing that particular website explains your opinion as well.
This is probably the most asinine quote chain I've read. Honestly where do you guys find the time to argue over the petty semantics like this? Please give it a rest.
También puede definirse como una manera de ejercer el poder con la intención de resolver o minimizar el choque entre los intereses encontrados que se producen dentro de una sociedad.
Yes, I did just google your quote and post the second half of the definition.
Why do people keep bringing up Giantbomb, they discuss politics almost every podcast. They don't focus on it like Waypoint does, but they don't shy away from it.
http://innuendostudios.tumblr.com/post/104288647532/why-the-escapist-wont-talk-about-gamergate
Saying you're not going to talk about X when you're in the business of journalism in a inherently political medium is absolutely ridiculous, and when your site has been historically sympathetic towards gamergate it becomes pretty clear the types of politics you'll be leaving at the door.
http://innuendostudios.tumblr.com/post/104288647532/why-the-escapist-wont-talk-about-gamergate
Saying you're not going to talk about X when you're in the business of journalism in a inherently political medium is absolutely ridiculous, and when your site has been historically sympathetic towards gamergate it becomes pretty clear the types of politics you'll be leaving at the door.
Make ya'll who want politics out of gaming a deal... you can have it but then games are not art they're toys/consumer products. As such they get no protections that art gets and can be significantly more regulated.
True. Still, I think the stance of, "we don't want to take a stance" is pretty irresponsible.
Uh huh... because...? How does games having politics translate to them not being art? I mean, art is pretty much all about politics. Like, near exclusively, actually.
Oh absolutely. That was more directed towards the "what's so political about Pong" crowd.