yeah, that's a waste. at his age, you wouldn't even have to wish that hard!
dude has crafted some of my favorite soundtracks in JRPGs (Tower of Death from DQV is so good) but Christ is he an awful human being.
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Dragon Quest composer Koichi Sugiyama isn't happy just being a war crime denier, is anti-LGBT too!
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yeah, that's a waste. at his age, you wouldn't even have to wish that hard!
dude has crafted some of my favorite soundtracks in JRPGs (Tower of Death from DQV is so good) but Christ is he an awful human being.
Are you? Cause Let me tell you, as someone who is a member of that community I get awfully tired of seeing people use this Schroedinger's cat argument to shield themselves from criticism.
I'm not going to wish death on the man but I'm not going to give him a second thought when he does die, other than perhaps a solitary "Good."
Uh huh. Keep trying to take away from DQ. It did it is thing and whatever bro.
The only one lacking awareness is you. The rest of us will continue to be morally better than you by supporting peoples right to wish a bigot disappear.
Love how your only contribution to this thread is whining about posters wishing death on him but nothing about the topic which is discussing a bigot.
It would definitely have to be jumpstarted and pushed on social media by someone with some reach in the gaming community.
Regardless, I plan to throw a small donation like that personally when I buy the game, as my "ticket" for not feeling shitty about buying/playing DQXI.
I agree he doesn't seem like he deserves compassion. If you're not open to being convinced then obviously there's no point in talking about it.
That wouldn't make sense considering what was bothering me in the first place. My original point and complaint had nothing to do with the thing being technically correct. It annoys me to see people deliberately reframe shit in misleading ways like that, so I said what I said. I think it's bad discourse and does a disservice to the actual point one is trying to make, because the criticism should stand on it's own if you think the behavior is bad, without having to twist things around. You obviously don't agree, so there's no point in discussing it further.
Meanwhile in 1940s China
"The Japanese army has destroyed our villages, killed our people, and raped our women. I pray for the Hideki Tojo is no longer on this earth"
"What a shitty thing to say! We shouldn't wish death on a person who is committing all these atrocities on us. Mass murder and rape is shitty. Wishing the death of those doing these terrible things to you is also shitty. Maybe don't be shitty! Yes I am saying this in a way that makes these things seem equal. You can only affect how you behave. Be better!"
"The Japanese army has destroyed our villages, killed our people, and raped our women. I pray for the Hideki Tojo is no longer on this earth"
"What a shitty thing to say! We shouldn't wish death on a person who is committing all these atrocities on us. Mass murder and rape is shitty. Wishing the death of those doing these terrible things to you is also shitty. Maybe don't be shitty! Yes I am saying this in a way that makes these things seem equal. You can only affect how you behave. Be better!"
Since people bitching about how the mods aren't actioning people who "post death wishes" in here aren't being warned, I'll go ahead and say it's also real annoying how people can just continue to come in this thread with drive-bys about "b-but be the better person :(" as if we're already not default better than some piece of shit who denies war crimes and laughs at minorities killing themselves.
If I donated $5 for every copy I'm buying, I'd be donating $0.
No, I think I am going to refuse spending money that's directly lining the pockets of an outspoken bigoted piece of shit. Instead I will continue supporting the charities and causes I believe in regardless and write Square-Enix a mail on why I am not buying the game.
That's absolutely fair. I know they're just entertainment/pieces of fiction, but I think dilemmas like this one ultimately result in personal decisions as different works carry different meaning and significance to people.
And I'm sick of the seemingly endless stream of people popping in to tone police on behalf of Sugiyama's honor. With you stating both "no point in talking about it" and "no point in discussing it further" I'll reiterate: then leave it at that.
Those comments were in regard to you saying you weren't looking to be convinced and the conversation clearly moved from any effort in trying to convince you to just defending why I said the thing in the first place. It's pretty obvious why I responded based on the edit you decided to make as though it had any bearing on my original point. I'm more than happy to stop the conversation provided you don't provoke another response with some comment that then necessitates it in my mind. This back and forth is annoying.
I'll just say that if you're in the business of making sure the people who can't help but insist that people don't be too mean to Sugiwara are properly defended, I don't see you making much headway with me considering the fact that I already think it's spectacularly interesting that those people are even doing it in the first place.
Why don't you tell that to all the losers in this thread telling people "don't be as bad as him" as if saying that we wanting him to die is "just as bad" eh? That's some real bullshit.
Please stay on brand. It is not "don't be as bad", the official terminology is "be better". We don't want to misconstrue their intentions.
I don't care about defending them or not, it's completely incidental. Reframing it the way you did is misleading due to lack of context, which isn't a matter of tone policing, but of reality, and that shit bothers me. That's it. Can we be done now? Or if you have a response can you just PM me or something?
What does this have to do with anything I said? I was responding specifically to 1000% H's post about people asking others to be nicer to Sugiyama. Obviously making a death wish on the forum isn't remotely as bad as the shit Sugiyama has done (and is doing). I agree that implying that or outright stating it is bullshit. That's neither here nor there regarding the conversation I was having, however.
It's because we've been dealing with this nonsense for the entire thread for like a day now, so going after people for the specific words they are using not being agreeable with your framing of the argument is generally annoying. Context is important. It's not misleading that these people are coming into the thread to basically cheerlead a "be better!" or "be nicer!" or "don't be rude!" nonsense campaign instead of actually being interested in discussing a war crime denying piece of shit!
I'm bothered by the dude being a piece of shit as well, but it doesn't stop me from being bothered by the misleading shit either. I think it's shitty and a detriment to conversation and it's become even more irksome lately with all of the fake news/alternative facts shit going on. The only thing I can think to do is to try to call that stuff out when I see it. If it's such an issue, then that sucks for me I guess.
After he is dead hopefully his family doesn't keep his shitty views alive. That's a real concern, not whatever bullshit you're peddling.
Not taking away from DQ, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum and I don't think Megami Tensei has much to do with it.
Then convince me what I said is actually misleading instead of just saying it's misleading. We have someone like Monorojo in here making allusions to sociopathy and general terribleness in reference to fellow posters but you took the time to raise issue with my use of the word "nicer". People think wishing death is crossing some moral line, telling others to be better, to be better than Sugiyama. Please explain how "be better" does not translate to "nicer". Compassionate? Respectful? Considerate? Less spiteful? Less harsh? What term would you substitute that wouldn't overlap with the word "nicer".
When people say, "You shouldn't do that, be better" what do you think they mean? I'll let you answer and we can compare notes, because honestly, "nicer" seems pretty apt to me.
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Yep, it's garbage. And way worse than what anyone in this thread was doing, guaranteed. Seriously, what is your point? I agree 100% that Sugiyama is being trash and that people in this thread aren't being nearly as bad at all. In fact, I don't even think really that the death wishes are much of an issue? I just took issue with what I found to be a misrepresentation of how those people felt.
Tons of people called that guy out, didn't they? And yours was the one that I saw that at the moment prompted a response. It triggered that sort of reaction in my head when I saw it where I thought "okay, I don't exactly agree but a lot of people are taking exception with death wishes, which seems like a pretty specific thing they're bothered by, and now this person is phrasing it as people just wanting others to be nicer to Sugiyama". It seemed pretty cut and dry to me. I can easily understand people hating his guts but still finding death wishes beyond the pale, but reframing it as folks just wanting everyone to be nicer to Sugiyama loses that specificity, it loses the context and I don't know how else to explain to you how that's misleading in regards to what those people are feeling with the sentiments they presented.
If you were only talking about the people being super on the nose about it with the "be better" stuff and basically equating Sugiyama's crimes with having a death wish for him in this thread then that wasn't remotely clear. I saw all sorts of people bothered by the death wishes but not being that way. When you just say 'imagine seeing all the shit this guy has done and wanting people to be nicer to him' to me that's grouping all of those people up, dropping the context that explains what their particular issue is, and making them out to be assholes when it's probably just a few select people that are really doing the dumb shit you and duckroll have been talking about.
That was my perspective on it.
Wow, you literally have no idea how many people have been walking through the revolving door over the past day or so. There's a reason I'm mocking the phrase "be better", I didn't just pull it out of my ass and I'm not interested in #notall___ing for the sake of the remaining people who simply found it more important to decry a few forum posters than to decry this man.
Point is: When people enter this thread to say "don't death wish" and have nothing or little to comment on Sugiyama, fucking where are their priorities?
We don't need people to tell others how mad they should be or how they should be mad.
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It's frustrating that a user was quicker to create a hypothetical situation where Sugiyama's family was suffering, rather than discuss the current reality.
You know, the one where Sugiyama spat upon dead victims, their families and the LGBT community on live television? Yeah, that one.
But it's okay, cause he called him "shitty" and that took A LOT of effort I bet!
You know, the one where Sugiyama spat upon dead victims, their families and the LGBT community on live television? Yeah, that one.
But it's okay, cause he called him "shitty" and that took A LOT of effort I bet!
"Be better" is this thread's "Just asking questions". We are expected to care more about our own reactions to someone being a huge piece of shit than to said piece of shit and his horrible actions and words.
No thanks. I'll keep wishing such a harmful, hateful, dangerous and evil person dies and I will still be infinitely better than him due to the simple fact that I don't want any innocent person to suffer. Which is exactly what this living waste of oxygen wants.
Sugiyama fucking sucks. I sorta get the people who pull back from others saying that they look forward to his impending death. That being said, don't we all sorta agree it is a good thing that the "old school" is dying off and taking their more intense form of racism and homophobia with it? Why is it a problem when instead of generalizing (surely lumping in tons of awesome people with the shitty people) you point your finger specifically at one confirmed piece of shit...?
It not complained about his music or composition, obviously, just about unbearable midi music. Even the greatest compositions sounds awful as midi.
This guy is so active. Was reading a random Japanese news article yesterday and it mentioned that there was a program to get air conditioners into schools and Koichi Sugiyama was part of that. Thought it was pretty random but maybe he should put his back into stuff like that and stop being a shithead to everyone else.
Woah now. This is a problematic take. Please be respectful to the person who doesn't respect you and cry at his funeral or you're a shitty person too.
Be better.
Because it's not dying off? As someone who has had bricks thrown at my head for holding his partners hand, I can say with 100% certainty the fact this old piece of shit has the money and platform to air his views, there are people who are going to take them on board.
Fuck him, anyone who enables him and those on here who are making excuses for him.
I think you may want to read my post again. I was agreeing with your position.
Also, as much as things are still very bad, they are better. There is still far too much violence directed at too many people, but there is less. It definitely isn't the sweeping change that we want it to be, but our society is improving. The more of the Sugiyama's that pass on, the better the world will be (ever so slightly).
Okay, hey, you "It's not cool to say 'I hope this guy dies'' people.
Nobody would be saying this if he was 40 or 50. They'd just want him excised from SE.
But he's motherfucking 87 goddamn years old, and the sooner he shuffles off this mortal coil the better. Old bitch can die ASAP.
Maybe surrounded by loved ones, maybe not. Either way, the sooner he's gone, the better. Fuck his racist, homophobic, propagandizing ass.
Nobody would be saying this if he was 40 or 50. They'd just want him excised from SE.
But he's motherfucking 87 goddamn years old, and the sooner he shuffles off this mortal coil the better. Old bitch can die ASAP.
Maybe surrounded by loved ones, maybe not. Either way, the sooner he's gone, the better. Fuck his racist, homophobic, propagandizing ass.
I wasn't calling you out over your position and I apologize if you thought I was, more that you think there's less violence these days towards homophobia than there used to be. There may be less in certain countries, but it's still a long way off normalised. And even in certain 'civilised' countries it's still rife in places. And in many cases there's been an upswing in recent years. I live in the UK on after Brexit my partner had a brick through his window with slurs against his sexuality.
But this is off topic. The guy is a cunt and I won't be sorry to see him gone when it happens.
Edit: excuse the language. It's a touchy subject for me.
Fair enough, dude. There was definitely some really shitty political movements that came to pass. Brexit engendered some pretty shitty views (and has since become a huge problem for the entire UK on a number of fronts). I apologize for the confusion.
I'm glad that my feelings of wanting this man to pass away sooner rather than later so that he can stop spending his money trying to make the lives of people like me a living hell makes me just as bad as the man who would literally laugh if I offed myself this very instant.
Some of you are fucking insane. One of us wishes the other would let nature take its course specifically to prevent more negative propaganda to be used against us. The other would spend mountains of money in hopes of the other person killing themselves, and then laugh with his friends about it. And you have the nerve to say that's just as bad? Fuck off. I pray you never have to go through the things we've gone through, because if you did then you'd understand why it's such a sore subject.
As if the LGBT community hasn't had enough problems to deal with. Fuck's sake.
And that's not even bringing in the war crime denial.
Some of you are fucking insane. One of us wishes the other would let nature take its course specifically to prevent more negative propaganda to be used against us. The other would spend mountains of money in hopes of the other person killing themselves, and then laugh with his friends about it. And you have the nerve to say that's just as bad? Fuck off. I pray you never have to go through the things we've gone through, because if you did then you'd understand why it's such a sore subject.
As if the LGBT community hasn't had enough problems to deal with. Fuck's sake.
And that's not even bringing in the war crime denial.
Hey, he may literally laugh at our deaths, but don't suggest he die at the ripe old age of 87, that'd be inappropriate.
How dare us.
Hoping an old-ass nationalistic racist dies soon is lesser than directly funding anti-war crime propaganda and cozying up to anti-LGBT politicians with my money and power...
...So I still feel better and wiser, yeah.
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1) About Japanese crimes in WW II - he is wrong and he probably knows it. Just check "Nanking massacre" in Google...
2) He is right about LGBT. "LGBT" is nothing more but another Marxist construct to fight with traditional Christian society. End of story.
2) He is right about LGBT. "LGBT" is nothing more but another Marxist construct to fight with traditional Christian society. End of story.
He's right about LGBT, in that you agree that it's funny when LGBT people kill themselves?
Fuck off.
In regards to the 'lack' of tone-policing, for the lack of a better way to say it...
If we say context is everything.
Then allowing the expression of emotional frustration and anger with words that are less-than-savory when directed to someone who holds a deplorable and harmful view is the fair thing to do.
If you disagree with it, there is always the option to ignore it.
If we say context is everything.
Then allowing the expression of emotional frustration and anger with words that are less-than-savory when directed to someone who holds a deplorable and harmful view is the fair thing to do.
If you disagree with it, there is always the option to ignore it.
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Sorry, I'm tired right now, but I'm having a hard time parsing this.
Do you mean more deplorable view? Or am I reading this wrong?
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