I would love to see a Supers movie based in the past. The movie was fun and the music was out of this world. Giacchino is a genius.
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Incredibles II |OT| It's More Than Fantastic (Unmarked spoilers)
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Saw it—didn't love it. Actually, I was surprised with how very mediocre it was.
First, the JackJack gags got old after the first of the many times they were shown; I was bored of them by the second act and frustrated with them by the end. It doesn't help they were all rehashed from the JackJack Attack! short that was included along with the original Incredibles DVD release.
Second, and most important, the Screenslayer's motives were unclear. If it was so important for the character to discredit the role of superheroes in society, why not hypnotize Elastigirl into taking out the ambassador in the beginning? It would've accomplisehd the same thing as the boat plan at the end. It rendered the whole conflict moot.
Finally, why did the movie open with an apology from the cast? What's the point of calling attention to the fact that it was 14 years since the first? What possible good did that do? It reminded me of art school and how some of my classmates would open their presentations with an excuse and/or apologies. I thought it was the absolute wrong foot to get off on.
First, the JackJack gags got old after the first of the many times they were shown; I was bored of them by the second act and frustrated with them by the end. It doesn't help they were all rehashed from the JackJack Attack! short that was included along with the original Incredibles DVD release.
Second, and most important, the Screenslayer's motives were unclear. If it was so important for the character to discredit the role of superheroes in society, why not hypnotize Elastigirl into taking out the ambassador in the beginning? It would've accomplisehd the same thing as the boat plan at the end. It rendered the whole conflict moot.
Finally, why did the movie open with an apology from the cast? What's the point of calling attention to the fact that it was 14 years since the first? What possible good did that do? It reminded me of art school and how some of my classmates would open their presentations with an excuse and/or apologies. I thought it was the absolute wrong foot to get off on.
It didn't really come across as an apology to me, but more of a celebration of finally bringing the goods. It's part of an ongoing thing of creators thanking the fans for going to the theater experience.
Finally saw this. I got to stop showing up in these threads after everyone has already seen it, but here goes anyway.
Thought it was really solid, really fun, but felt like it was very seriously held back by its villain. A lot of Pixar's films have their themes and messages very heavily built upon its villain... The first Incredibles is probably a master class in this. But this one didn't sync up particularly well with what Helen and Bob and are going through. All the characters have the big debates about society, etc., but they don't do a good job connecting up Helen to all of these themes. It's very surface level. It didn't really matter if it were Helen or Bob in that situation against the villain. I don't think every film has to have this big internal stuggle... Not all Pixar films do. But I thought this was a good opportunity to really get at Helen's hopes and dreams and motivations (since she was the support in the first film), and the villain didn't give her that philosophical barrier to overcome. I see what they were working at, it's just not conveyed in a strong way. Also the villain's plan is a little too convoluted in execution to be credible, and a little too heavily telegraphed to the audience to be interesting.
One nitpick is that it was a shame they couldn't find an action piece to show off Dash. The way the plot and setpieces were designed, he kinda felt like he was in a weird place powers-wise. I suspect that since Elastigirl got a lot of the agility setpieces, they didn't want to overdo it. I kind of like that Dash got put on the back burner for this one and let Violet drive more of the story and action sequences. Just missing that one big action moment for him.
Other than that, everything generally worked for me. All the Jack-Jack stuff is great, seeing Bob get seriously overworked and exhausted was interesting. Edna Mode's continues to extract maximum comedy out of every second she is on screen. Love that we got more Frozone in this entry. I didn't love how Violet's plot revolved around a boy, but I liked that she got to assert herself more in the plot. Her fight scene at the end was very clever and exciting. All of Helen's action scenes were ridiculously great... Was surprised how intense her fight around the midpoint was. Could see that whole sequence giving a lot of children nightmares. Was actually kind of sad when her motorcycle exploded, she is so amazing on that thing.
This feels like one of those films I might appreciate more on rewatch. Looking forward to when it is on Netflix or whatever other streaming service they offer.
Thought it was really solid, really fun, but felt like it was very seriously held back by its villain. A lot of Pixar's films have their themes and messages very heavily built upon its villain... The first Incredibles is probably a master class in this. But this one didn't sync up particularly well with what Helen and Bob and are going through. All the characters have the big debates about society, etc., but they don't do a good job connecting up Helen to all of these themes. It's very surface level. It didn't really matter if it were Helen or Bob in that situation against the villain. I don't think every film has to have this big internal stuggle... Not all Pixar films do. But I thought this was a good opportunity to really get at Helen's hopes and dreams and motivations (since she was the support in the first film), and the villain didn't give her that philosophical barrier to overcome. I see what they were working at, it's just not conveyed in a strong way. Also the villain's plan is a little too convoluted in execution to be credible, and a little too heavily telegraphed to the audience to be interesting.
One nitpick is that it was a shame they couldn't find an action piece to show off Dash. The way the plot and setpieces were designed, he kinda felt like he was in a weird place powers-wise. I suspect that since Elastigirl got a lot of the agility setpieces, they didn't want to overdo it. I kind of like that Dash got put on the back burner for this one and let Violet drive more of the story and action sequences. Just missing that one big action moment for him.
Other than that, everything generally worked for me. All the Jack-Jack stuff is great, seeing Bob get seriously overworked and exhausted was interesting. Edna Mode's continues to extract maximum comedy out of every second she is on screen. Love that we got more Frozone in this entry. I didn't love how Violet's plot revolved around a boy, but I liked that she got to assert herself more in the plot. Her fight scene at the end was very clever and exciting. All of Helen's action scenes were ridiculously great... Was surprised how intense her fight around the midpoint was. Could see that whole sequence giving a lot of children nightmares. Was actually kind of sad when her motorcycle exploded, she is so amazing on that thing.
This feels like one of those films I might appreciate more on rewatch. Looking forward to when it is on Netflix or whatever other streaming service they offer.
I was underwhelmed by the movie, but man, that short at the beginning had me crying like a baby. Even after I knew what it was going to be and how it was going to end, I was working overtime to keep the people I was with from seeing me completely break down there in the theater.
Disappointed as well. It really lacked any meaningful conflict and as said before, the family are at the same place at the beginning of the movie than at the end. The villain was also very predictable and his motives weak. I also didn't find the gags funny nor clever. Compared to Coco, Incredibles II lacks heart.
I have to say, the biggest laughs the film got out of me were involving Bob's increasingly haggard and exhausted expression.
When he pulled up at Edna's and had this thousand-yard stare on his face I lost it.
When he pulled up at Edna's and had this thousand-yard stare on his face I lost it.
saw it yesterday and loved it! however the main antagonist was so obvious that it kinda ruined the film(for me)
Jack-Jack the the star the film
Jack-Jack the the star the film
Incredibles 1 was definitely superior and had far more "emotional" moments for me (Bob thinking his family has perished, Helen's goodbye to Bob while trying to deny that he's lying to her and possibly having an affair, Violet telling Dash their parents marriage is in trouble, the "I can't lose you again" scene...) and this film didn't really have any of that.
What it DID have was instead riotously fun action scenes, some fun "Mr. Mom" parenting scenes, and a great world to dive into with amazing music and visuals.
I told a friend that if Incredibles 1 was "Heart of Ice" in the Batman series, this was just another episode like "The Clock King" or "Fire from Olympus". It's still good, still fun, and still something I enjoyed watching, but it's not "top-tier" storytelling.
It feels like a solid episode of an Incredibles cartoon series. I hope we don't have to wait another 14 years for the next installment, because I would like to spend more time in this universe.
What it DID have was instead riotously fun action scenes, some fun "Mr. Mom" parenting scenes, and a great world to dive into with amazing music and visuals.
I told a friend that if Incredibles 1 was "Heart of Ice" in the Batman series, this was just another episode like "The Clock King" or "Fire from Olympus". It's still good, still fun, and still something I enjoyed watching, but it's not "top-tier" storytelling.
It feels like a solid episode of an Incredibles cartoon series. I hope we don't have to wait another 14 years for the next installment, because I would like to spend more time in this universe.
Saw this yesterday, liked it better than the first. Although the stay-at-home dad part was a bit overdone and jack-jack a bit overused.
The first Incredibles is one of my favorite Pixar movies. This was a good episode from an Incredibles TV show. I remember Brad Bird saying he would never do an Incredibles sequel unless he had a story to tell, and this really didn't feel like it was it.
Why do I even try.
Why do I even try.
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We saw the movie this past weekend. It was good, but not great. As was obvious from the trailers and ads, it could have been called "The Jack-Jack Movie feat. The Incredibles". I don't like babies and I don't have the inherent weakness for their charms evolution has planted in most humans, so all the screen time Jack-Jack gets is a little wasted on me. That being said those segments weren't bad, just predictable and a little boring. It annoys me that Jack-Jack has numerous powers, like he is some kind of special chosen one or something. I'd prefer it if he had one main power like every other Super in that universe. As for the rest of the film the villain was both forgettable and predictable, and I was also hoping Edna would have more screen-time. Overall I still left satisfied but it's not as good as the first. Not even close.
Oh, and that Pixar short might be my least favorite. I did not like the style/character design at all, and it seemed to be a little too "out there" for kiddos as it was apparent in my theater that most of them had no idea what was going on by the end.
Oh, and that Pixar short might be my least favorite. I did not like the style/character design at all, and it seemed to be a little too "out there" for kiddos as it was apparent in my theater that most of them had no idea what was going on by the end.
Just saw it and the more I think on it the more disappointed I am, especially considering how long it's been since the first movie. It's still a decent movie, but I feel like the story not only felt like a rethread of the first movie in many ways, but it also lacked some of the more serious elements of the first movie (as well as some of the more satirical elements) which helped raise the quality. I feel like the predictability didn't do much favours for the movie as it made it seem somewhat by-the-numbers. Maybe my opinion will improve, but my immediate reaction isn't that positive.
So yeah, I wasn't a big fan. The film follows almost exactly the same structure of Incredibles 1 for some reason and ditches most, if not all, of the character development in the first film. Where the first movie was very tightly and intelligently scripted, this script felt amateurish in comparison. Mr. Incredible caring for the kids was just the standard 'manly man has to become family man' plotline we've seen in a million family comedies before and Elastigirl's plot was nothing, it was just some lame 'stop the villain'-plot. Also, how the hell were Supers outlawed for so long if, according to this movie, all it takes is one Super saving some people with zero casualties and low damage before politicians start to seriously talk about legalization again? No, movie, you cannot tell me that every single hero who tried to illegally save people had this huge amount of collateral damage that the battle with the Underminer had. On that note, why the hell is the incident with Syndrome and the big robot trying to kill everyone mentioned nowhere in the movie? That was a huge win for Supers, yet everybody seems to have forgotten that even happened.
The villain was also super weak. I'm not even sure why she was helping her brother the entire movie, seems like she had exactly what she wanted at the start of the movie, so why help her brother invent these techs that help make the supers (close to) legal again? Throughout the movie I was thinking that maybe the villain was pulling a sort of same gambit that Mr. Glass did in Unbreakable, where the Screenslaver was basically a 'fake' villain that was created by the brother and sister to give the public someone to hate and the heroes a reason to exist again... but instead it was this confusing mess where I'm not even sure what exactly her plan was. Because, again, it feels like she already had everything she wanted with Supers already starting off as outlawed.
The short was okay, not amazing, but it worked. I can't believe people are not getting the metaphor though, it's one of the most obvious metaphors ever in a short animated film. I feel like Pixar's overreliance on CG animation hurt the short a lot though. Chinese animation is absolutely beautiful and it would've been amazing to have seen this film be done in a contemporary Chinese style instead of the bland 3D animation we got. But since Disney/Pixar seems to be deathly allergic for non-3D non-CG animation, I guess the chances of that were pretty much zero.
The villain was also super weak. I'm not even sure why she was helping her brother the entire movie, seems like she had exactly what she wanted at the start of the movie, so why help her brother invent these techs that help make the supers (close to) legal again? Throughout the movie I was thinking that maybe the villain was pulling a sort of same gambit that Mr. Glass did in Unbreakable, where the Screenslaver was basically a 'fake' villain that was created by the brother and sister to give the public someone to hate and the heroes a reason to exist again... but instead it was this confusing mess where I'm not even sure what exactly her plan was. Because, again, it feels like she already had everything she wanted with Supers already starting off as outlawed.
The short was okay, not amazing, but it worked. I can't believe people are not getting the metaphor though, it's one of the most obvious metaphors ever in a short animated film. I feel like Pixar's overreliance on CG animation hurt the short a lot though. Chinese animation is absolutely beautiful and it would've been amazing to have seen this film be done in a contemporary Chinese style instead of the bland 3D animation we got. But since Disney/Pixar seems to be deathly allergic for non-3D non-CG animation, I guess the chances of that were pretty much zero.
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I liked it but it was a little disappointing at the same time, not enough of a departure from the first film. I want to say the villain reveal was too obvious but it was so blindingly obvious I can only assume it was intentional for some reason. Wanted more Dash.
Finally watched it. I have kind of mixed feelings about it. I really had a great time and so much joy seeing all these characters again. The action was amazing and i liked how the kids (and the damn car lol) end up saving the day in the end.
However i don't know how to explain it but i felt really old watching it. Like, i don't know if the plot wasn't as strong to me as the first one but i felt there was something missing.
Still Jack Jack stole the show. I mean, when he
or using him as a laser gun was amazing.
Still worth a watch for sure, don't know where i'd rank it in pixar's catalogue. And loved Bao by the way. Really pulled my heartstrings as my mom is preparing/entering this kind of phase about kids leaving to live their own lives...
However i don't know how to explain it but i felt really old watching it. Like, i don't know if the plot wasn't as strong to me as the first one but i felt there was something missing.
Still Jack Jack stole the show. I mean, when he
turned into Edna i fucking lost it, such a great comedic character lmao
Still worth a watch for sure, don't know where i'd rank it in pixar's catalogue. And loved Bao by the way. Really pulled my heartstrings as my mom is preparing/entering this kind of phase about kids leaving to live their own lives...
Man I thought I was taking crazy pills being lukewarm on this. Seems I'm not alone, although on the other hand I have no idea why I thought this was getting thumbs up across the board.
I enjoyed it, but like the original, the family scenes were the highlight.
Edna stole the movie, easily. The stay at home dad stuff was great too. Called the villain, lol.
OST was amazing.
Edna stole the movie, easily. The stay at home dad stuff was great too. Called the villain, lol.
OST was amazing.
As much as if pains me to say it, I'm actually a little disappointed after watching it the 2nd time.
It definitely feels as if the story was rushed, which makes sense when a year was knocked off the production.
I'm also not sure what it is, but am I alone in finding some of the lip sync a little odd? It's especially with the Deavor's, so I don't know if it was a design choice.
It's still an incredibly enjoyable film, but compared to the first (and Brad's other 2 animated films) it's lacking.
It definitely feels as if the story was rushed, which makes sense when a year was knocked off the production.
I'm also not sure what it is, but am I alone in finding some of the lip sync a little odd? It's especially with the Deavor's, so I don't know if it was a design choice.
It's still an incredibly enjoyable film, but compared to the first (and Brad's other 2 animated films) it's lacking.
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