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Deleted member 42221

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Yep, this thread went exactly as I thought - people belittling experiences of women and minorities, then using how progressive they are as a shield for any criticism.

Agreed with the need for more moderation and bans, and zero-tolerance policies.
 

Laiza

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I don't think that you can reasonably disagree on something you lack perspective of.

Like, I can't really vouched for how progressive this place isn't for Asian people, transgender people or women because I don't belong to does group. They experience different types of discrimination and they manifest themselves in different ways.

So you're actually disagreeing on a perceived progressiveness. It's the role of the people belonging to those groups to tell us what's what.
THANK YOU.

Too many men getting overly defensive instead of simply trying to understand where their experience differs and how to bridge that gap. Exactly the problem this thread was created to address.
 

Deleted member 42055

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Starting at page 1 of 27 ( on mobile )... I shudder to imagine how what should be a cut and dry discussion has gone on for 27 pages...
 

-COOLIO-

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All three it's male branded progressiveness that marginalizes other groups (especially women) and is often expressed predominantly by going after easy work like shitting on religion and blatant social conservatives

Which defined this place frequently to a tee

brogressive: male branded progressiveness that marginalizes other groups (especially women) and is often expressed predominantly by going after easy work like shitting on religion and blatant social conservatives.

i love it! i'll remember this definition for the future. looking forward to seeing if the definition holds up for discussions on this forum going forward. should be easy to spot posters that fit this definition to a tee with so very many of them apparently on era.
 

Border

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Banning them outright also course corrects the conversation and lets them know what they've done wrong. Why wait for them to shit up other threads?
Because the moderation staff' does not assume that someone will immediately start shitting up other threads if they aren't handed a sitewide ban? The whole purpose of the warning system is to allow for nuance in areas where correction is needed but a ban is not necessarily merited.
 

Clockwork

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Oct 30, 2017
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Btw thanks for opening your contribution to this thread by touching on your lack of sexual interest in trans women

The core point of that response was not regarding my sexual preference but the redefining of who and who isn't considered progressive. You know, because the person said you're not progressive if that's not your thing.

I guess I didn't pass the purity test.
 

okayfrog

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I searched through OP's posts in this thread and still can't see exactly what changes they want. If there's a lot of misogyny, aren't the misogynists usually banned? What more do you want? The OP brought up this thread as it's likely what spurred them on to make this topic, and I don't see what the issue with that thread is. It was up for 15 minutes. A couple users were banned -- one permanently. Most of the users in the thread were rallying against the thread's creation and the users who would be banned. What exactly do you want to happen differently, OP?
If you block 1000 people on a public forum and that ain't enough

You might be on the wrong forum
To be fair, there are a lot of folk who have been permabanned here, and permabanned users aren't taken off the ignore list automatically. It's possible he blocked a lot of assholes before they were banned and hasn't gotten around to checking to see how many on his ignore list are gone already.
 
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Glad this thread exists.

Quote from banned man:

"What are you gunna do, ban me?"
No one knows what it's like
to be the banned man
to be the SAD man
Behind bro eyes

No one knows what it's like
to feel baited
then be fated
to post only drive-bys

But my memes
they aren't as empty
as my conscience seems to be

I have hours, only lonely
My love is myself
It's about me
 

excelsiorlef

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The core point of that response was not regarding my sexual preference but the redefining of who and who isn't considered progressive.

I guess I didn't pass the purity test.

Please.

Get over yourself.

That one singular post wasn't even saying that... but again glad to know you don't wanna date trans women... very relevant to share.
 

samoyed

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You can't have a forum this big and this open and expect the discussion the be lead by people who come with a binders worth of knowledge. Dudes will come and state their shallow or barely informed opinion because that's how this forum operates on a fundamental level. If that level of Brogressiveness is offensive I dunno, I arrive to my same conclusion, why are yall here then? This forum can't be a blockade against that in it's current form.
Well that's what we're here in this thread specifically to talk about right? Again, fundamentally, I think "this forum is not progressive" and "a forum of this size cannot possibly be progressive throughout, only in relative terms" are not contradictory. I do think a truly progressive gaming forum would be much more smaller, more intimate, where most users are aware of other users in some nontrivial sense. I also don't think it's a fair ask for Era to drop everything and reform itself into that ideal. So we're at the quandary of "this isn't ideal" and "yeah but it's the best we got", aka, the current state of the American Democratic party, which Era is merely a reflection of.
 

4859

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Oct 27, 2017
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In the weak and the wounded
Is this for real?

I understand not wanting to bring "drama" here from other places, but surely there is some way to report this kind of thing to the mods and get them removed or at least investigated.

Yes, Ive tracked more than I can count back to their various shitholes.

Get them excited and copy and paste your conversation in Google and you can see all the places it spreads to where they talk about it and what they want people with accounts to say or how to play the situation.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Because the moderation staff' does not assume that someone will immediately start shitting up other threads if they aren't handed a sitewide ban? The whole purpose of the warning system is to allow for nuance in areas where correction is needed but a ban is not necessarily merited.

Thread banning and warnings would be redundant then. Either they get warned or forum banned.
 

Ignatz Mouse

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I thought "brogresssive" was a little harsh, then read the Urban Dictionary link posted, and went "yup."

White straight dudes (like me) really ought to be more generous about others' issues.
 

Laiza

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The core point of that response was not regarding my sexual preference but the redefining of who and who isn't considered progressive. You know, because the person said you're not progressive if that's not your thing.

I guess I didn't pass the purity test.
So are you just here to shit on minorities or what?

We're here, we're talking about how our experiences on this site have been pushing us away, and you're just going to complain about "progressive" being too hard a moving target for you to hit? Really?
 

Deleted member 15948

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I don't know how you fix this on a board where 50% seem to think the moderation is to oppressive and is stifling conversation and the otrher 50% feel it's too lenient and allows for attacks against women and minorities.

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OP is on the mark, but honestly if I tried to express my feelings in this thread I'd catch a ban for 'inflammatory language', pretty much guaranteed. Enforcing civil discourse means that people who are tired of civility on some topics will be silenced, that's how it works.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If you have the need to ignore 1000 people that may say a little more about you than it does about the people being ignored.

I have yet to ignore anyone despite instances of disagreement or even outright disgust/offense.

In all seriousness, how do you function in the real world where you don't have a convenient ignore button?

I don't think you should shame someone for blocking people on a forum. There's definitely 1000+ people not worth engaging with on this forum. If he wants to come home from work and not have deal with those folks that doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

I think this comes back to the OP's point about empathy.

Edit: as someone else noted, many of the people he blocked could have later been banned.
 

Kitsunelaine

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One of the things that's interesting is that permas are hadned out very infrequently. I think blatant and knowing bigotry should be grounds for a perma but too many times I've just seen three day bans or week long bans. People who are bigots and know they are and don't care that they are don't deserve benefit of the doubt.
 

zoukka

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Yes in the meta sense because like I said, people in threads about women's treatment on ERA devolve into threads about anything but the treatment of women on ERA.

Do you want to keep going or am I clear enough on what I meant?

Clear. Next time I hope you don't feel the need to attack someone to make a meta point.
 

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So, are we going to get an official word on this by the mods? Obviously it's a hot topic, and I'd like to hear what the response is.
 

signal

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I don't think you should shame someone for blocking people on a forum. There's definitely 1000+ people not worth engaging with on this forum. If he wants to come home from work and not have deal with those folks that doesn't seem all that unreasonable.
This is debatable and I say this as someone who petty ignores people all the time. There's 1000+ people not worth engaging with if you have an unreasonable expectation of who is worth engaging.

It also probably makes threads unreadable with that high of an amount of people ignored so you probably have to "show ignored posts" on every page basically eliminating the point of doing this at all.
 

MarineMountie

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Banning them outright also course corrects the conversation and lets them know what they've done wrong. Why wait for them to shit up other threads?

The problem is, there are many....MANY posters that are banned for simply giving their opinion on things that are in no way toxic, but go against the far left ideology.

Example, a mod started a thread asking the question "would you date a transgender person". Go look at how many were banned for saying "no".

I was one of them. I was banned under the made up charge of transphobia. I screenshot the post that got me banned, and in that post was nothing transphobic. I screenshot many other posts that got others banned that contained no transphobia, yet they were banned for transphobia.

So if people can't even answer a question to a post made by a moderator of their answer goes against the far left mentality of this site, is that good moderation? Is people giving opinions that aren't hateful or derailing but might not match the opinion of you worth a ban? Because that happens often. Way too often. My wife has checked this forum out a few times to see if she wanted to sign up but the fact that her opinion would be mobbed and reported because she is a moderate she has stayed away. That's what she told me anyway.

The "arguing in bad faith" is overused here. If someone has an opinion that goes against the majority, maybe that is just their opinion and that is OK as long as they aren't hating on anyone. I'm a conservative. Do you know how many posts I have to read that say things like "fuck them to death", or "all Republicans are Nazis"? If I post "All Democrats are Nazis" I would be banned faster than you could snap your fingers. How is that fair? It's not and it causes a toxic environment and goes against what progressiveness stands for which is inclusiveness. Inclusiveness includes people that might disagree with you, and everyone that disagrees with you are not wrong because they feel the way they do.
 

samoyed

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One of the things that's interesting is that permas are hadned out very infrequently. I think blatant and knowing bigotry should be grounds for a perma but too many times I've just seen three day bans or week long bans. People who are bigots and know they are and don't care that they are don't deserve benefit of the doubt.
It's to allow for the possibility of reform, which the GAF style one and done instant perm didn't allow for, though I understand it makes the users being harassed feel marginalized.
 

Feral

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okay so this is ot, I apologize, but are the general forums even still usable after maxing out 1000 ignores, aside from maybe a few more seclusive hangout threads? I'd think that most threads would be very confusing to follow
 

Laiza

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Who am I shitting on?
The people who've been (and are being) pushed out of this forum for feeling like their voices aren't being heard. The people whose voices you're contributing to the drowning out of by deflecting attention towards your own problems instead of actually sitting down and paying attention.
 

Sub Level

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Era is literally "babby's first human rights" in terms of progressive debate. I am surrounded by radical anarcho-feminists, revolutionary communists and vegan punk maniacs (not meant as an insult) in real life.

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RedMercury

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I'm a conservative. Do you know how many posts I have to read that say things like "fuck them to death", or "all Republicans are Nazis"? If I post "All Democrats are Nazis" I would be banned faster than you could snap your fingers. How is that fair?
Because the Democrat platform is not evil and the Republican platform is. These are not opinions, this is a fact. Both sides are not the same and therefore should not be treated as such. You should not be surprised to hear people have no tolerance for hate movements.
 

Gotdatmoney

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Well that's what we're here in this thread specifically to talk about right? Again, fundamentally, I think "this forum is not progressive" and "a forum of this size cannot possibly be progressive throughout, only in relative terms" are not contradictory.

I never said they were contradictory. Whether this forum is or isn't progressive is not really something I care to argue because that label ultimately means little to the discussions I have here. I think it's a well moderated forum that hosts some good discussions. That's why I visit it. It can't be everything to everyone, it increasingly becomes impossible to be a safe spot for minorities (sexual, racial and otherwise) while trying to foster open discussion with the main caveats just being open shittiness is not tolerated. You need way stricter rules plain and simple.

I do think a truly progressive gaming forum would be much more smaller, more intimate, where most users are aware of other users in some nontrivial sense. I also don't think it's a fair ask for Era to drop everything and reform itself into that ideal. So we're at the quandary of "this isn't ideal" and "yeah but it's the best we got", aka, the current state of the American Democratic party, which Era is merely a reflection of.

I mean, you can go to other places on the net for the things you seek unless you want the size of era but the uniformity of a small gathering which at that point you can't have your cake and eat it too. Like you said, you can't ask a forum this size moderated by volunteers to be everything for us. So again it really goes back to what I said, if the Brogressiveness of this place is so overwhelming why are people here? Do you just chill in one or 2 OTs and otherwise roll how you do? I know some posters have said they don't fuck with the site because of it and I get that. But for everyone else, I dunno. Like I said, I don't expect everyone to be woke.
 

Grexeno

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The problem is, there are many....MANY posters that are banned for simply giving their opinion on things that are in no way toxic, but go against the far left ideology.

Example, a mod started a thread asking the question "would you date a transgender person". Go look at how many were banned for saying "no".

I was one of them. I was banned under the made up charge of transphobia. I screenshot the post that got me banned, and in that post was nothing transphobic. I screenshot many other posts that got others banned that contained no transphobia, yet they were banned for transphobia.

So if people can't even answer a question to a post made by a moderator of their answer goes against the far left mentality of this site, is that good moderation? Is people giving opinions that aren't hateful or derailing but might not match the opinion of you worth a ban? Because that happens often. Way too often. My wife has checked this forum out a few times to see if she wanted to sign up but the fact that her opinion would be mobbed and reported because she is a moderate she has stayed away. That's what she told me anyway.

The "arguing in bad faith" is overused here. If someone has an opinion that goes against the majority, maybe that is just their opinion and that is OK as long as they aren't hating on anyone. I'm a conservative. Do you know how many posts I have to read that say things like "fuck them to death", or "all Republicans are Nazis"? If I post "All Democrats are Nazis" I would be banned faster than you could snap your fingers. How is that fair? It's not and it causes a toxic environment and goes against what progressiveness stands for which is inclusiveness. Inclusiveness includes people that might disagree with you, and everyone that disagrees with you are not wrong because they feel the way they do.
oh boy, I think this one post contains literally every "I am an alt-right troll pretending to be a concerned moderate" warning sign there is
 

samoyed

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Inclusiveness includes people that might disagree with you, and everyone that disagrees with you are not wrong because they feel the way they do.
That's not actually what "inclusiveness" is about, it's just how conservative news orgs (not necessarily you) have attempted to gotcha liberal institutions for creating safe spaces. Inclusivity, as a societal goal, is to allow historically marginalized voices a place to talk without fear of retribution, a few that's very real given America's spotty history with civil rights. As a conservative, you're not actually part of that group because, well, you hold all three branches of government, and outsized influence over most of the internet. Oh sure people give you shit for being a conservative but when bills are signed and regulations relaxed, it's according to your party's wishes, not ours.

Inclusivity is an attempt by liberal/left institutions to create a space where oppressed groups can go to not feel oppressed for once (despite the actual day to day oppression they face), so the first priority is to make sure people feel comfortable. Now, you think that you should be allowed to disagree with people and yeah of course not everyone needs to agree all the time, but that's usually in the sense "oh I disagree whether mustard or mayo belongs on sandwiches". A lot of conservative ideology is intrinsically harmful, and again to reiterate the previous point, inclusivity means building a place where people don't need to be hurt. Want to participate? Stop hurting people. And if your default ideology is one that's hurtful, you don't have the prerogative to say "I demand you stop being hurt", but rather, must reform yourself to make sure you're not hurting anyone.

Basically, you're entitled to things you believe, but if you're in someone else's house, you abide their rules. This is an idea most conservatives should be able to grasp.
 
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The problem is, there are many....MANY posters that are banned for simply giving their opinion on things that are in no way toxic, but go against the far left ideology.

Example, a mod started a thread asking the question "would you date a transgender person". Go look at how many were banned for saying "no".

I was one of them. I was banned under the made up charge of transphobia. I screenshot the post that got me banned, and in that post was nothing transphobic. I screenshot many other posts that got others banned that contained no transphobia, yet they were banned for transphobia.

So if people can't even answer a question to a post made by a moderator of their answer goes against the far left mentality of this site, is that good moderation? Is people giving opinions that aren't hateful or derailing but might not match the opinion of you worth a ban? Because that happens often. Way too often. My wife has checked this forum out a few times to see if she wanted to sign up but the fact that her opinion would be mobbed and reported because she is a moderate she has stayed away. That's what she told me anyway.

The "arguing in bad faith" is overused here. If someone has an opinion that goes against the majority, maybe that is just their opinion and that is OK as long as they aren't hating on anyone. I'm a conservative. Do you know how many posts I have to read that say things like "fuck them to death", or "all Republicans are Nazis"? If I post "All Democrats are Nazis" I would be banned faster than you could snap your fingers. How is that fair? It's not and it causes a toxic environment and goes against what progressiveness stands for which is inclusiveness. Inclusiveness includes people that might disagree with you, and everyone that disagrees with you are not wrong because they feel the way they do.

Transperson dating is not an example of far left ideology. The idea is that you should acknowledge that a trans man is a man and a trans woman is a woman. That's basic human decency.

Why are you still here though? Because you want access to the forum content. That access comes with moderation that goes against bigoted stances. So, your options are to keep bigoted stances to yourself or be banned. Not seeing a problem with that. There are many other forums on the internet that will not ban you for bigoted stances. Maybe try one of them if Resetera isn't to your liking. You're not entitled to a voice here.
 

Liljagare

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I read what Samoyed posted. I didn't think it sufficiently addressed what you were saying. Especially since you were talking about "high English" and distinguishing between American and British dialects.

But by all means if you don't want to learn, why not go to a nice Catholic pub in Belfast and start telling people about "high English." I'm sure they'll understand when you refuse to listen to what they are saying.

I am sure the nice people of Belfast wouldnt be so rude as to try to get me into trouble, you still clearly did not read my first post in the thread.

Actually, they have been nothing but nice and polite to me, everytime i have been there, with my bad British English.

Buíochas a ghabháil leat, as the irish would say though.

And thank you again for your input despite your demeaning and belittling way of writing! :)
 
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