"Demon Child" holds plane hostage for 8 hours

AbortedWalrusFetus said:

What you are saying is that if you don't have the ability to do something without inconveniencing others that's fine, because inconveniencing others doesn't matter as long as you get what you want.

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LOL!

You act like people are going to suffer from PTSD because god forbid they are on the plane with a child that might cry. And here you are wanting to inconvenience millions of families so that you can get what you want. Funny how that works both ways, isn't it?

My parenting reflexes kicked in real bad watching that video. My God. If my children did that on a plane... Not on my watch.

The mom asking for WiFi sent me over the edge. Unless this kid has some psychological ailment or chemical imbalance or something, that tells me all I need to know about her parenting.

Violence Jack said:

LOL!

You act like people are going to suffer from PTSD because god forbid they are on the plane with a child that might cry. And here you are wanting to inconvenience millions of families so that you can get what you want. Funny how that works both ways, isn't it?

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I'm a parent. I am willing to inconvenience myself in order to not inconvenience a larger group of people. Doing otherwise is the epitome of entitled.

Boyyy I would tell that mom to shut that fucking kid up.

Violence Jack said:

LOL!

You act like people are going to suffer from PTSD because god forbid they are on the plane with a child that might cry. And here you are wanting to inconvenience millions of families so that you can get with you want. Funny how that works both ways, isn't it?

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As I said before, the onus is on the family to weigh their needs against the needs and well-being of the other passengers. If they have the will or ability to control their child and minimize the potential pain for everyone else, all is good.

But this family was clearly not equipped to take care of their child in a way that allowed everyone to go about their business. They made their problem into everyone else's problem. When I was a little kid, I had periods of bad behavior and threw tantrums from time to time, and you know what happened? If I started being a little shit when my parents wanted to take me somewhere and wouldn't let up when they told me to stop, they cancelled the trip. I got punished by not getting to go to the water park or visit my friends or go see Grandma for my birthday. They didn't let me ruin everyone else's day and they were willing to sacrifice their own desires (and mine) for the good of other people.

The mother just sitting there and occasionally going "honey, calm down" and not following her hellion around the plane to try and shut him up is an incredibly bad look. It's your brat, that means it's your responsibility. A plane is not your own personal day care center.

Demon child is a good band name, though.

Jzeero said:

Boyyy I would tell that mom to shut that fucking kid up.

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I'm sure that would have helped resolve the situation.

Expected the kid to run up at the end of the video to jump on and devour the cameraman's face

Gravy Boat said:

I'm sure that would have helped resolve the situation.

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No but I would feel good and would probably get me a clap or two.

Wein Cruz said:

When I was in school they had ld/bd classrooms.

Is that not a thing anymore?

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Let's put it this way: the school a close family friend works at is friends with the BD teacher at the school. They talk all the time about these kids with "behavior disabilities" being worse and worse every year. It's largely the parents fault, but the issue can also come from the child.

She talks about one child in particular this past year in BD that spits in the air just to see where it goes. He does this even at lunch and has to be moved every single day. The parents get mad that he has to get moved and blame the teachers for not going through enough sensitivity training. They also brought him to the Christmas program where he acted like a maniac: pushing decorations over and screaming during the performances. The parents were laughing that he was being so disruptive.

AbortedWalrusFetus said:

I'm a parent. I am willing to inconvenience myself in order to not inconvenience a larger group of people. Doing otherwise is the epitome of entitled.

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I'm a parent too. I'm not sure how you made the connection of parents taking their kids on a flight to them being entitled like they are being given some special privilege.

But that's your opinion, and I'm not gonna to try to change it. Mine is that I'm going to do what best for my family and fly my child across the country to see their grandparents, and won't let the possibility of them crying stop me.

PlanetSmasher said:

As I said before, the onus is on the family to weigh their needs against the needs and well-being of the other passengers. If they have the will or ability to control their child and minimize the potential pain for everyone else, all is good.

But this family was clearly not equipped to take care of their child in a way that allowed everyone to go about their business. They made their problem into everyone else's problem. When I was a little kid, I had periods of bad behavior and threw tantrums from time to time, and you know what happened? If I started being a little shit when my parents wanted to take me somewhere and wouldn't let up when they told me to stop, they cancelled the trip. I got punished by not getting to go to the water park or visit my friends or go see Grandma for my birthday. They didn't let me ruin everyone else's day and they were willing to sacrifice their own desires (and mine) for the good of other people.

The mother just sitting there and occasionally going "honey, calm down" and not following her hellion around the plane to try and shut him up is an incredibly bad look. It's your brat, that means it's your responsibility. A plane is not your own personal day care center.

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This I agree with.

Violence Jack said:

I'm a parent too. I'm not sure how you made the connection of parents taking their kids on a flight to them being entitled like they are being given some special privilege.

But that's your opinion, and I'm not gonna to try to change it. Mine is that I'm going to do what best for my family and fly my child across the country to see their grandparents, and won't let the possibility of them crying stop me.

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Yes, it's obvious you feel entitled to put your wants ahead of others. We all do it sometimes. In this particular case I draw the line at need, not want.

gcubed said:

I'm going to bet this is 100% bullshit from an idiot youtuber and ERA is lapping it up like the "ready! shoot! aim!" crowd it houses.

8 hours of screaming on a plane wouldn't happen, the kid would get tired, or would lose his voice. 8 hours on a plane with hundreds of other people would have gotten a news report or another video.

And people wonder why spreading bullshit through facebook and twitter is so effective

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Nah, it's entirely possible when the kid knows his screaming works. Mom's a complete pushover. She needs to discipline the kid and not give in to every single one of his demands. The kid's spoiled because mom lets him have his way.

Box said:

I hate videos like this. So fucking what. Sorry you suffered. I bet you had a good bitch about it on the plane and you went to all the effort of fancy subs while making sure your reflection was in a few of the shots. Made for hits.

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What?

I don't blame the kid for being unruly. I blame the parents for having absolutely no authority over him. Jesus Christ.

MaintenanceDivision said:

They do, in fact, have every right to fly and exercised that right.

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Sure, they have the "right" to. Doesn't mean they aren't assholes for choosing to do so.

SOME parnets dont know how to do shit or parent plain and simple. Some kids gwt to do whatever they want with no consequences what so ever. As a teacher I see piss poor parenting god damn daily. My principal even says "we arent just teachingg children we are also teaching parents" such a damn shame. I have a ten hour flight coming up and if i deal with this Ill make sure to bitch the parents out right away

Love the comments about not having kids on flights. Air travel is a part of modern life. Get over it.

From #PlaneBae to #PlaneBeezelbub!

Makes a person never want to step on an airplane.

Give that kid a valium enema.

PlanetSmasher said:

As I said before, the onus is on the family to weigh their needs against the needs and well-being of the other passengers. If they have the will or ability to control their child and minimize the potential pain for everyone else, all is good.

But this family was clearly not equipped to take care of their child in a way that allowed everyone to go about their business. They made their problem into everyone else's problem. When I was a little kid, I had periods of bad behavior and threw tantrums from time to time, and you know what happened? If I started being a little shit when my parents wanted to take me somewhere and wouldn't let up when they told me to stop, they cancelled the trip. I got punished by not getting to go to the water park or visit my friends or go see Grandma for my birthday. They didn't let me ruin everyone else's day and they were willing to sacrifice their own desires (and mine) for the good of other people.

The mother just sitting there and occasionally going "honey, calm down" and not following her hellion around the plane to try and shut him up is an incredibly bad look. It's your brat, that means it's your responsibility. A plane is not your own personal day care center.

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Well said.

Kid was screaming because he knew they were going to Newark.

I clicked on that expecting a baby in distress. That's kid is just throwing a tantrum. He's old enough to know he needs to sit down and stfu, but he knows he can get away with it because his parents give him whatever he wants if he screams. I have no doubt that this is how he acts at home. He's sitting on top of the seat and running around for fuck's sake.

I came into this thread with the mindset of someone who flies often, had many situations of being seated next to a loud children with parents who do and don't work to deescalate the situation. It's tough to speak to one way or the other. I have friends and family with children and see their approaches to tiring their children out, running around the airport prior to boarding and such. Those plans don't always work out and they attempt to improvise. It's not a great situation for anyone. But that video is something else.

Dubbedinenglish said:

So this is why BronsonLee is on the no fly list

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No

Brass Body Dave said:

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NO

I am so happy my children do not act like this during flights or car rides. I don't understand how the parents can not keep this child calm and reassured. Maybe the child is autistic and the pressure changes is causing serious environment issues, but still you have to have a solution for this.

That solution can be as simple as melatonin or dramamine, something to soothe and calm them down. the child could be in either pain or stress and the sleep would help. The stimulation is not helping.

That being said, there was no way this was 8 hours. My children give up on even the worst tantrums well before the hour mark. Its boring and hard work to scream that you turned pokemon off, or can't have your dessert before your meal, or (my favorite) that your brother gets his dessert because he finished his meal when you have just been throwing it on the floor. Letting them work through it a bit, and then separate them from the situation (without giving in) is a solution that works for me when tantrums occur.

This thread reminded me to make sure we have at least 1 window seat for our orlando trip. LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND BE QUIET!!!! :)

Luckily I checked, somehow they booked a family of 4 in middle, aisle, middle, aisle, and left the one seat unclaimed...switched that shit out fast today, the Griswolds have a window!

Hycran said:

Bender Bending Rodriguez: "Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?"

But seriously, the flight attendants are definitely packing oxys and xans, just slip one of those bad boys in his juice and no more problems.

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Are you seriously suggesting giving a child oxycotin or xanax?

In any amount?

If that really was for near 8 hours straight that kid's got to have some kind of medical issue. Healthy kids adapt and calm down over time. That scream doesn't sound healthy either. Some kind of behavioural issue, or something anxiety related like autism, I can't think of anything else that'd keep them screaming like that.

I'm not sure what people are expecting the parent to do exactly. The kid clearly has self-control issues, there's no quick fix for that in an airplane. The iPad thing might be the only thing that usually works for them. And no, you don't typically sedate toddlers outside of medical procedures. Especially not if it's just for other people's benefit, that's actually deeply fucking unethical. Whether or not they should have flown in the first place is another issue. Definitely if they knew this was going to happen, at least unless it was an emergency. But maybe this was their first time flying and they didn't expect it to get this bad.

It's easy to blame shit on bad parenting. It's usually something else going on in extreme cases like these.

Zippedpinhead said:

I am so happy my children do not act like this during flights or car rides. I don't understand how the parents can not keep this child calm and reassured. Maybe the child is autistic and the pressure changes is causing serious environment issues, but still you have to have a solution for this.

That solution can be as simple as melatonin or dramamine, something to soothe and calm them down. the child could be in either pain or stress and the sleep would help. The stimulation is not helping.

That being said, there was no way this was 8 hours. My children give up on even the worst tantrums well before the hour mark. Its boring and hard work to scream that you turned pokemon off, or can't have your dessert before your meal, or (my favorite) that your brother gets his dessert because he finished his meal when you have just been throwing it on the floor. Letting them work through it a bit, and then separate them from the situation (without giving in) is a solution that works for me when tantrums occur.

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If the kid does have medical issues, 8 hours is perfectly possible. If the tantrum is triggered by the environment and the kid can't adapt, the only solution is to remove them from the environment. Which wasn't possible.

John Doe said:

Are you seriously suggesting giving a child oxycotin or xanax?

In any amount?

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A child? No. Demonspawn from the 6th circle of hell, 13th lieutenant of Beelzebub? Possibly.

Obviously I'm joking. Something tells me flight attendants aren't smuggling prescription medication in a job that requires multiple bag searches a day.

John Doe said:

Are you seriously suggesting giving a child oxycotin or xanax?

In any amount?

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There's a surprising amount of people who are seemingly, seriously suggesting that parents should drug their children.

I'm sorry, is there a minute-by-minute Twitter post breakdown of this by an overweight lady and her sexually ambiguous boyfriend that I can read? It's the only way I can consume my in-flight news these days.

Wein Cruz said:

When I was in school they had ld/bd classrooms.

Is that not a thing anymore?

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Mainstreaming. Sometimes works and sometimes they place a child who needs way more help than a regular teacher can provide in class. Which leads to the school version of this.

ElectricBlanketFire said:

This bullshit needs to stop. You don't need to be a parent to comment on a situation regarding children. I'm a parent. We just flew with a 4 and 2-year-old who sat quietly coloring the entire flight. Maybe next time we won't be so lucky. But to assume anyone being critical must not have children is an asinine excuse for when your own kids disrupt the lives of other people.

There are teachers without kids. Child psychologists without kids.

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These statements are a commentary on the quality of the posts. It is possible to have a wrong opinion, and most of the egregious comments (slip the kids drugs illegally, lazy parents, etc etc) are going to be by people that aren't parents.

Yeah, you are lucky, and thus your knowledge is incomplete. So to make a judgement in this situation is premature. Have you spent hundreds of hours training to help your kid with their specific needs?

And yeah you can tell by the self-centered, psychotic comments about attacking the parents etc. They. Don't. Have. Kids.

I'm not going to watch the video, but if the parents were unresponsive to complaints I probably would've wandered over to their row and accidentally spilled my drink all over them...a few times.

Who gave the kid red cordial?

Pizza_King said:

I don't get why the kid and parent weren't thrown off the flight.

edit: I mean before the plane took off, since apparently this wasn't obvious. lol

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Actually, if that was an adult they would have stopped and throw them out, at their expense of course, so yeah. I don't get it either.

parents gonna not parent

Orb said:

There are lots of signs in the video based on the boy's and the mom's behavior that indicate he is neuroatypical and I think it's pretty shitty for some random person who doesn't know anything about the situation to post a hidden camera video online calling him "demonic." They didn't even bother trying to hide the face of the child or anything.

Considering how many members got up in arms about the shitty #PlaneBae situation, there's a hell of a lot of you who are probably not parents being terrible in this similar situation. Hell, it's even worse because it's a child that was filmed without consent.

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That's a false equivalency. One is a private conversation. One is a public disturbance.

HammerOfThor said:

Oh man some people in here, I can't fucking wait until you have kids so you can eat the biggest fucking crows. You guys have no idea how hard it is to fly with a child and theres literally nothing you can do most of the time THEIR FUCKING CHILDREN.

Kid does sound like a demon tho lol.

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Seriously. I love the ones who are just like: "Just reason with the toddler. He'll understand." Can all you child whisperers come over to my place. I have two toddlers that I'd love to see you make jump at your every command.

A lot of disgusting responses in here especially the ones advocating violence.

gcubed said:

I'm going to bet this is 100% bullshit from an idiot youtuber and ERA is lapping it up like the "ready! shoot! aim!" crowd it houses.

8 hours of screaming on a plane wouldn't happen, the kid would get tired, or would lose his voice. 8 hours on a plane with hundreds of other people would have gotten a news report or another video.

And people wonder why spreading bullshit through facebook and twitter is so effective

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He uploaded a video of some mentally ill homeless guy saying he's making demonic noises. Uploader is definitely an asshole, that much is for certain.

I just came back from a 7 hour flight from the States with a 2 year old and a 7 month old, and the fear is real that your kid(s) is going to go off the rails no matter what you do. Key word is "do," though, and most parents I know and see are doing everything they can not to bother others. I don't know why the mom just seemingly let him run amok. Fatigue, being ground down if he's difficult 24-7, or not just giving a fuck. Who knows, but this is definitely an exception (a horrible one, to be sure). Know that most parents are at code red during these times and do very much care. Don't let stuff like this make you give the 'eyes' to the next parents you see on a plane with a crying baby/toddler.

Easy_D said:

He uploaded a video of some mentally ill homeless guy saying he's making demonic noises. Uploader is definitely an asshole, that much is for certain.

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Figures. IMO that says a lot more about the guy uploading/filming than the parents in the video.

I am fascinated with the amount of parents in this thread who seem to be fine with inconveniencing others for their own sake.

...Wait, that lines up with humanity. Nevermind.

Kids are so dumb. After minute 15 I would have stood up and freestyled an anti-child rap for 8 hours straight directed at him.

I've read about people getting kicked out of the plane for less.

The video starts before take-off, so it was an option.

I'll think of this video next time I think about not using a condom

Raven117 said:

They need to hold the parent responsible. They would kick people off airplanes for way less.

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I mean yeah if that kid was black or maybe another minority.

Talk about horrible parenting. Do better.

If it started before takeoff they should've just kicked them off tbh.