Megaman X Legacy Collection 1+2 |OT| "This is the story of the Maverick Hunter known as X..."

RetroCCN · Jul 24, 2018

I have a rough time playing this game on the Switch. The way I'm used to holding the SNES controller for X doesn't work well with any Switch controller option. It makes dashing incredibly frustrating because of the damn right analog stick getting in the way. I wish I could map dash to XL or XR but there's no option for that either. L and R are too small and my fingers don't rest on them naturally.

MP! · Jul 24, 2018

RetroCCN said:
I have a rough time playing this game on the Switch. The way I'm used to holding the SNES controller for X doesn't work well with any Switch controller option. It makes dashing incredibly frustrating because of the damn right analog stick getting in the way. I wish I could map dash to XL or XR but there's no option for that either. L and R are too small and my fingers don't rest on them naturally.

I bought an 8bitdo snes controller and I'm lovin it so far

RetroCCN · Jul 24, 2018

MP! said:
I bought an 8bitdo snes controller and I'm lovin it so far

Which one are you using? Is it this one?

What's the build quality like? Good D-Pad? I just need something that has the SNES pad layout without the analog sticks getting in the way.

Norris1020 · Jul 24, 2018

Played a little over half way through X1 on PS4 before I had to go. There was definitely some feedback issue for me when it comes to jumping and dash, I guess you could attribute it to the "mushy" PS4 buttons but I played through MMLC 1 and 2 with the same controller without issues.

Emulation wise the only irregularity I encountered was Armored Armadillo's stage in one of the "spike roller" tunnels the ceiling started going nuts with flickering and twitching. I don't remember that happening on the SNES but could be wrong.

Noisepurge · Jul 24, 2018

MP! said:
I can confirm... you do not need to play the entire game in Normal mode to get the Achievements as long as you beat the final level in normal. You can play with a mix of easy and normal.

Edit: It seems I was mistaken... I got the beat sigma trophy which is different than the beat the game one....
CANCEL THAT

Did you watch the credits to the end? It unlocks at the post credits scene.

MP! said:
has anyone unlocked the "Listen to 10 tracks" Achevement?

Yeah, listen to ten tracks or so. Beat X Challenge, listen to the new track that it unlocks.

Same with the art cheevo, it's description is abit odd. But you need to beat Megaman X first to unlock a wallpaper. Only then can you look at 20 images and change to that new wallpaper for the cheevo.

Bndadm · Jul 24, 2018

ladies said:
Waiting for impressions on those exact games as well. As long as they don't run like total garbage, I can manage, I just want to try out those games as I never played them.

I can't speak in depth beyond the intro stages for both, but they are a lot sharper than previous versions. I noticed no juddering or slowdown. Loads also very fast from movie scenes into level.

There's a zoom in on Zeroes face during x7 intro that on ps2 was kind of blurry. That is crisp now.

Sorry I don't have more to share.

Moppy · Jul 24, 2018

I'm almost never sensitive to the input lag issues that people swear are constantly occurring this console gen, but man, I just finished playing through X1 on my X1X (yoooooo) and it felt way wrong. Like, wayyyyy wrong. That PS4 Twitter comparison video that was being posted in the thread earlier checks out. Maybe I'm just noticing it so much because I regularly go back and play through X1 on an SNES (usually once or twice a year), but man, it just feels bad. My muscle memory on all the precise movement you can normally do in the game basically didn't work at all. Quick dash jumps, especially off ledges or up/off walls? Nah. An exercise in futility, my dude. You're not doing anything with both speed and accuracy anymore.

Oh, and the hardest fight in this game now?

You're not dash jumping and skirting back and forth in the air (errr, water), easily negating this dude's vacuum. You're not swiftly adjusting and clinging to a wall if you happen to land in one of the spike pits. You're walking around on the ground, very carefully waiting for this dude to stop push/pull you. If you're not on the ground when he brings the suck? You're goin' in those spikes, dawg.

Someone said that the PS1 and up stuff at least seems okay, right? Because I've lost pretty much all interest in even starting up X2 or X3 right now. :\

ladies · Jul 24, 2018

Bndadm said:
I can't speak in depth beyond the intro stages for both, but they are a lot sharper than previous versions. I noticed no juddering or slowdown. Loads also very fast from movie scenes into level.

There's a zoom in on Zeroes face during x7 intro that on ps2 was kind of blurry. That is crisp now.

Sorry I don't have more to share.

No worries, that's more than enough info than I needed. Thanks man!

kyorii · Jul 24, 2018

On inputs, knowing of all this lag, I only found out recently from watching a speed run that the original X3 actually ate inputs. Like yikes, add input lag to that and you got a whole nother can of worms.

catpurrcat · Jul 24, 2018

Moppy said:
I'm almost never sensitive to the input lag issues that people swear are constantly occurring this console gen, but man, I just finished playing through X1 on my X1X (yoooooo) and it felt way wrong. Like, wayyyyy wrong. That PS4 Twitter comparison video that was being posted in the thread earlier checks out. Maybe I'm just noticing it so much because I regularly go back and play through X1 on an SNES (usually once or twice a year), but man, it just feels bad. My muscle memory on all the precise movement you can normally do in the game basically didn't work at all. Quick dash jumps, especially off ledges or up/off walls? Nah. An exercise in futility, my dude. You're not doing anything with both speed and accuracy anymore.

Oh, and the hardest fight in this game now?

You're not dash jumping and skirting back and forth in the air (errr, water), easily negating this dude's vacuum. You're not swiftly adjusting and clinging to a wall if you happen to land in one of the spike pits. You're walking around on the ground, very carefully waiting for this dude to stop push/pull you. If you're not on the ground when he brings the suck? You're goin' in those spikes, dawg.

Someone said that the PS1 and up stuff at least seems okay, right? Because I've lost pretty much all interest in even starting up X2 or X3 right now. :\

Thank you for posting this, really! Saved me some $$$.

Deleted member 37011 · Jul 24, 2018

Moppy said:
I'm almost never sensitive to the input lag issues that people swear are constantly occurring this console gen, but man, I just finished playing through X1 on my X1X (yoooooo) and it felt way wrong. Like, wayyyyy wrong. That PS4 Twitter comparison video that was being posted in the thread earlier checks out. Maybe I'm just noticing it so much because I regularly go back and play through X1 on an SNES (usually once or twice a year), but man, it just feels bad. My muscle memory on all the precise movement you can normally do in the game basically didn't work at all. Quick dash jumps, especially off ledges or up/off walls? Nah. An exercise in futility, my dude. You're not doing anything with both speed and accuracy anymore.

Oh, and the hardest fight in this game now?

You're not dash jumping and skirting back and forth in the air (errr, water), easily negating this dude's vacuum. You're not swiftly adjusting and clinging to a wall if you happen to land in one of the spike pits. You're walking around on the ground, very carefully waiting for this dude to stop push/pull you. If you're not on the ground when he brings the suck? You're goin' in those spikes, dawg.

Someone said that the PS1 and up stuff at least seems okay, right? Because I've lost pretty much all interest in even starting up X2 or X3 right now. :\

PS4 version here. I didn't find that fight hard at all. Although I did already have Chameleon's weapon (one of it's weaknesses) at the time plus chest armor. The only thing I really had trouble with was getting the x-buster upgrade from Mammoth's stage.

Manu · Jul 24, 2018

RS1984 said:
PS4 version here. I didn't find that fight hard at all. Although I did already have Chameleon's weapon (one of it's weaknesses) at the time plus chest armor. The only thing I really had trouble with was getting the x-buster upgrade from Mammoth's stage.

Same here.

I understand how having played the original dozens of times can fuck up your timing in this version but it's just a matter of getting used to it.

ZeoVGM · Jul 24, 2018

Jazzem said:
Nah, just X1-4 on Collection 1 and X5-8 on Collection 2

Wonder if we'll ever see Maverick Hunter X (and indeed Mega Man Powered Up) re-released

Honestly, my main disappointment was that they didn't include HD remasters of Maverick Hunter X and Command Mission on this. A missed opportunity.

And Powered Up/& Bass should have been on MMLC2.

SolVanderlyn · Jul 24, 2018

The dialogue in Rockman X is a little different from Mega Man X so far. Vile has more lines in the intro. My Japanese isn't perfect, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it went more like this:

Vile: You idiot! Did someone like you think you could defeat me? You only have one life, X... and life is an important thing! Hahahaha!

Compare that to

Vile: You worthless piece of scrap metal, did you think you could defeat me?

Zero is different too. He doesn't make any mention of Vile being a war machine, and is a lot more blunt and even a bit rude towards X, although still encouraging.

Zero:

X, right now you can't beat Vile, and you can't beat Sigma. But if you keep fighting, you can get stronger. (the rest is pretty much the same)

But that straight up admission of X's weakness is way more direct. Ouch.

brykuhn91 · Jul 24, 2018

Does this game seem harder than before? I played Megaman X on the Snes over Christmas and had no troubles, but these bosses are killing me on this version.

Deleted member 419 · Jul 24, 2018

Ok the X Challenge mode is identical between both collections right? Then fuck it I might just buy Collection 2. I don't really care about laggy versions of X1-X3, I have them on SNES. X4 still runs great on my PSP. However I don't have X6-X8 and have never beaten them.

So assuming the Challenge mode is identical (right?) then I'm going for Collection 2.

Moppy · Jul 24, 2018

RS1984 said:
PS4 version here. I didn't find that fight hard at all. Although I did already have Chameleon's weapon (one of it's weaknesses) at the time plus chest armor. The only thing I really had trouble with was getting the x-buster upgrade from Mammoth's stage.

Manu said:
Same here.

I understand how having played the original dozens of times can fuck up your timing in this version but it's just a matter of getting used to it.

Yeah, I thought for sure I'd boot it up and not agree with any of the input lag posts at all, pretty much like I always do, but the lag seems pretty legit. I mean, I still managed. Still beat the game. It was still doable. X1 doesn't really require a ton of twitch, rapid inputs to be beaten or anything, it's just that the entire playthrough felt incredibly off. I did what I could to adjust. I used to always be a double-tap dash on ground/dash button+jump button for walls in X1 guy, and I switched to using shoulder for dash after a couple stages just to give myself as much of an input edge as I could give myself. Using either method, things like Mammoth upgrade ceiling and Mandrill heart tank felt very, very difficult. Iceless Jump felt borderline impossible. Just feels weird/frustrating to have it play one way for so long, then come back and have it play completely differently, but I'm trying my best.

...but then again, maybe I've just gotten old, haha.

Valus · Jul 24, 2018

FiveSide said:
Ok the X Challenge mode is identical between both collections right? Then fuck it I might just buy Collection 2. I don't really care about laggy versions of X1-X3, I have them on SNES. X4 still runs great on my PSP. However I don't have X6-X8 and have never beaten them.

So assuming the Challenge mode is identical (right?) then I'm going for Collection 2.

They aren't identical iirc.

Waddle Dee · Jul 24, 2018

For anyone who owns the PS4 version, what are the problems with these collections (because there are always problems).

Just wanna make sure I'm not spending money on something I could wait a couple weeks on (if they decide to patch any problems).

Gunny T Highway · Jul 24, 2018

So I finished all of X1 on Switch. Other than a couple of spots the extra slowdown is not really noticeable or very minor and definitely not a deal breaker if those of you are hesitant on buying this version. I will have to see how X2 and X3 are later.

SweetVermouth · Jul 24, 2018

-Le Monde- said:
Does anyone know if the import will have English text?

It does afaik.

Warrior of Light said:
Can you watch the OVA with Japanese voices and English subs?

It's either Jap dub or Eng dub, neither have subs.

Warrior of Light said:
And can you play any of the games with Japanese voices and English text?

Only X6 because that game doesn't have English voices. For X4, X7 and X8 it's always English audio + whatever language you chose, except for Japanese which has Japanese voices.

nicoga3000 · Jul 24, 2018

Gunny T Highway said:
So I finished all of X1 on Switch. Other than a couple of spots the extra slowdown is not really noticeable or very minor and definitely not a deal breaker if those of you are hesitant on buying this version. I will have to see how X2 and X3 are later.

None of this input latency garbage people are discussing?

Manu · Jul 24, 2018

Waddle Dee said:
For anyone who owns the PS4 version, what are the problems with these collections (because there are always problems).

Just wanna make sure I'm not spending money on something I could wait a couple weeks on (if they decide to patch any problems).

A bit of input lag and some screen tearing in the SNES games.

X4 and on seem to be just fine.

Gunny T Highway · Jul 24, 2018

nicoga3000 said:
None of this input latency garbage people are discussing?

If there is I never noticed it I guess. Though there may have been one or two times I feel my dash input did not connect before I did a dash jump but I could just be getting slow with age.

Noisepurge · Jul 24, 2018

RetroCCN said:
Which one are you using? Is it this one?

What's the build quality like? Good D-Pad? I just need something that has the SNES pad layout without the analog sticks getting in the way.

8bitdo SFC/SNES pads are amazing. Really sturdy and just the right dpad and button feel of the originals.

shadowman16 · Jul 24, 2018

brykuhn91 said:
Does this game seem harder than before? I played Megaman X on the Snes over Christmas and had no troubles, but these bosses are killing me on this version.

Nope, difficulty felt the same to me. Sigma took a few tries to beat, but I put that down to me being rusty not the game being harder.

Anyway, midway through X2 now... 4 bosses down, 2 of 3 X Hunters down. Even more fun than I remember it, though some of the stages are really short (Overdrive Ostriches' stage was over before it began)

Servbot24 · Jul 24, 2018

MMX is my favorite game ever, I've played it at least 50 times, and I've never played X2 or X3. Playing them now feels very weird.

PolskiGamer17 · Jul 24, 2018

Rookie Hunter is insultingly easy...

Ada · Jul 24, 2018

Moppy said:
Oh, and the hardest fight in this game now?

You're not dash jumping and skirting back and forth in the air (errr, water), easily negating this dude's vacuum. You're not swiftly adjusting and clinging to a wall if you happen to land in one of the spike pits. You're walking around on the ground, very carefully waiting for this dude to stop push/pull you. If you're not on the ground when he brings the suck? You're goin' in those spikes, dawg.

Holy shit so that's why that part was so damn hard. Yea I came to the same conclusion, jumping = suicide. Wasn't like this when I played the game years ago.

Deleted member 419 · Jul 24, 2018

Sorry if this was already posted - My Life in Gaming put up a great video comparing the Legacy Collections to the originals. It's pretty comprehensive.

MP! · Jul 24, 2018

Noisepurge said:
Did you watch the credits to the end? It unlocks at the post credits scene.

Yeah, listen to ten tracks or so. Beat X Challenge, listen to the new track that it unlocks.

Same with the art cheevo, it's description is abit odd. But you need to beat Megaman X first to unlock a wallpaper. Only then can you look at 20 images and change to that new wallpaper for the cheevo.

yeah ... I watched all the way to sigma's face...

OH you have to beat x challege first? ok I'll try that

I did the wallpaper one

Deleted member 37011 · Jul 24, 2018

Waddle Dee said:
For anyone who owns the PS4 version, what are the problems with these collections (because there are always problems).

Just wanna make sure I'm not spending money on something I could wait a couple weeks on (if they decide to patch any problems).

It's a good collection. You have to remember they won't be perfect. These are old games designed for Super Nintendo, and Playstation 1 and 2, and to be played of CRTs not HDTVs. There is always going to be some quirks. My opinion is it's a buy. Unless you are really into speed running these games or have access to the originals and a CRT.

HockeyBird · Jul 24, 2018

Would be nice if someone could do a comparison video between this collection vs. the original, SNES Classic, and Wii U virtual consoles.

Quinton · Jul 24, 2018

ZeoVGM said:
Honestly, my main disappointment was that they didn't include HD remasters of Maverick Hunter X and Command Mission on this. A missed opportunity.

And Powered Up/& Bass should have been on MMLC2.

Agreed. Especially Command Mission. That would have been great.

Deleted member 419 · Jul 24, 2018

HockeyBird said:
Would be nice if someone could do a comparison video between this collection vs. the original, SNES Classic, and Wii U virtual consoles.

See the video I posted right above.

Noisepurge · Jul 24, 2018

MP! said:
yeah ... I watched all the way to sigma's face...

Could be glitched then :/ but as on ps4 the trophy percentage on beating Sigma should be the same as completing the game. There is a difference for sure. Did you get all upgrades and hadouken? Maybe it's 100% completion.

Deleted member 34711 · Jul 24, 2018

Major bummer. I'm refunding and will wait for patches and a sale.

MP! · Jul 24, 2018

I got the one with analog sticks and it still feels really accurate... the D pad is great but the ABXY buttons are awesome... I think I will replace the rubber parts inside with an old worn out controller for a more accurate button press feel though. Over all it feels right.

Manu · Jul 24, 2018

Radiant Silvertuna said:
Major bummer. I'm refunding and will wait for patches and a sale.

Come on man, at least give it a try yourself first lol

Deleted member 34711 · Jul 24, 2018

Manu said:
Come on man, at least give it a try yourself first lol

Eh, I don't feel the need. I've got plenty of other games to play while Capcom cleans this up.

Xtortion · Jul 24, 2018

Erm

X1 had bad input lag for me on Switch so then I booted X4 and it was fine and then I went back to X1 and it was also fine

what

KaiPow · Jul 24, 2018

mogster7777 said:
In terms of trophies are there missable? Like can you repeat stages that require abilities?

Is there a guide I can follow so I won't miss anything for each game?

X5 will require either a guide or careful planning to get all eight upgrade chips. The gist is to waste time until you only have 9 or 10 hours left then start fighting the bosses (the ride chaser stage is the fastest way to waste time)

Normal · Jul 24, 2018

Yeah, I was also having trouble getting the Buster upgrade in X1. I thought it was just because I'm not used to playing X1 with the dual shock 4... but I guess that's not the case lol. Took me four tries just to get the upgrade. Everything else felt the same the same to me, pretty much breezing though everything else. On Sigma's castle at the moment though.

IsaacC · Jul 24, 2018

Radiant Silvertuna said:
Major bummer. I'm refunding and will wait for patches and a sale.

Now I cannot speak for every version...but;
I just played through all the titles from x legacy collection 1 on Switch, and I seriously think people are being ridiculous. These run more like the originals than any previous emulation or collection. They look better than they ever have before. I love that they retained slowdown in appropriate places. And I honestly haven't noticed them in inappropriate places. So what is it you think desperately needs to be patched? Am I missing something? I am pretty darn familiar with X1-4 and have even managed to do no damage runs of all 4 of them ( I was a major MM fan growing up) and one thing I will say is that this feels more like playing on the SNES/PS1 than anything except playing on original hardware...the timing is near perfect, and I would notice if it wasn't as I have them rote memorized, so I would be messing up a lot if the timing was off or there was severe input lag.

This is less about tooting my own horn and more saying that as someone who has a deep physical memory of the feeling of the first 4 x titles, these feel pretty darn close to the real deal. And that is amazing, especially on the Switch.

Rei dos Vermes · Jul 24, 2018

This collection sucks in comparison to the classic one. I can't choose every resolution my monitor supports, I can't choose or turn off the borders artwork, I can't rebind keys. What a disappointment! I can't even use my 8bitdo SNES controller to play the game with JoyToKey because the game detects the gamepad and don't let me configure it. Damn, Capcom! What a mess...

Delriach · Jul 24, 2018

Does the game not save your custom controls when you reload the app? Seems like I had to redo my controls for MMX1.

Agni Kai · Jul 24, 2018

IsaacC said:
Now I cannot speak for every version...but;
I just played through all the titles from x legacy collection 1 on Switch, and I seriously think people are being ridiculous. These run more like the originals than any previous emulation or collection. They look better than they ever have before. I love that they retained slowdown in appropriate places. And I honestly haven't noticed them in inappropriate places. So what is it you think desperately needs to be patched? Am I missing something? I am pretty darn familiar with X1-4 and have even managed to do no damage runs of all 4 of them ( I was a major MM fan growing up) and one thing I will say is that this feels more like playing on the SNES/PS1 than anything except playing on original hardware...the timing is near perfect, and I would notice if it wasn't as I have them rote memorized, so I would be messing up a lot if the timing was off or there was severe input lag.

This is less about tooting my own horn and more saying that as someone who has a deep physical memory of the feeling of the first 4 x titles, these feel pretty darn close to the real deal. And that is amazing, especially on the Switch.

Thank you! This is what I wanted to read. I'm getting the collections on the Swith now.

Warrior of Light · Jul 24, 2018

SweetVermouth said:
neither have subs

Why, Capcom?! Why?

mogster7777 · Jul 24, 2018

I dunno why but having dash on circle on the ps4 and jump on x is kinda hard to do. Like I have to play it using crab claw

Delriach · Jul 24, 2018

mogster7777 said:
I dunno why but having dash on circle on the os4 and jump on x is kinda hard to do. Like I have to play it using crab claw

Yeah, I highly recommend changing dash to L. Makes dash wall jumping much easier to do.

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