The man is scum and trash incarnate, and nobody's gonna blame you for not wanting to directly support him. Being that DQ is my favorite JRPG franchise and I've always wanted to see it have strong support and reception in the US (and still do), I would much rather see it succeed without Sugiyama than with him.
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Dragon Quest composer Koichi Sugiyama isn't happy just being a war crime denier, is anti-LGBT too!
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It sounds like you're focusing alot on meaningless comments like "this is what I really think you're saying" and "I don't care about the picture, going after bigots is the ONLY way to do things." - how am I even supposed to respond to that? I'm talking to a guy that thinks he's psychic and knows what I'm really saying more than I do. Further, your ego is so out of control you seem to think that you're some kind of cosmic authority who legitimizes what the focus of solving an unimaginably complex problem is.
Obviously the only way to fix things is to do it your way - only your ideas are good, and everybody else is probably a closet Trump supporter or just plain stupid, right? You speak with such authority one would mistake you for someone that has actual experience traveling around the world solving racial issues. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean that's not a legitimate way to tackle the problem. Your arrogant attitude doesn't suit you - you're not an expert on these matters, no one here is - we are video game nerds. Grow up.
And lastly, thought isn't action. Action is action. How could you possibly determine what actions strangers on message boards have taken in their lives? You're acting all high and mighty talking to me about my "inaction" when you really have no clue. You have no idea what actions I've taken on anything ever. You're just attacking my thought process, because to you my ideas are: stupid, inefficient, lead to inaction, dilute the real issue by being too "big picture", and any other negative thing you can stamp on it. And because you perceive yourself as the center of the universe - you are blind to the fact that maybe I think you're ideas are also stupid, inefficient, and narrow-minded. It's OK to think that, but don't be a fucking dick about it. That's my point, that's where you're overstepping your boundaries.
The post count of those accounts should make it obvious that those are alts or suicide accounts. But yeah they are worthless beings anyways.
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Just goes to show that there is hate on both sides of the fence....
Maybe you shouldn't talk about beating hypothetical children if you don't want people to think this.
There is a difference between not being LGBT yourself or not being part of the struggles of that community, which I think would be entirely understandable since nobody is obligated to join someone else's cause, and what a pathetic yet sadly talented person like Sugiyama is doing here.
This is quite clearly a case of endorsing ugly discrimination and mistreatment. That is wrong, no matter how you want to address the specific information discussed.
This is quite clearly a case of endorsing ugly discrimination and mistreatment. That is wrong, no matter how you want to address the specific information discussed.
WAIT, as a gay dude who loves DQ more than anything and who's faith in the series is being tested by this dipshit composer on a daily basis, is this an actual gameplay option? Or are you just "I don't care he's gay in my game"-ing it (which I do, too -- in my play through of Ys VIII, Adol and Dogi are totally in love on the down low).
All the Octopath love in here is great because Nishiki really knocked out a banger. It's a contender for one of the best OSTs of the generation, maybe even in the conversation to be among the all time greats. But I don't want him to work on Dragon Quest. I want him to work on... more stuff by BD11. He's a young composer and Octopath is his first video game OST. I'd like to see him make a name for himself doing his own thing instead of taking over someone else's. Dragon Quest should be taken over by someone who has history with the series, like the good folks mentioned by Dreamboum (though I've always associated Sakimoto much more with Matsuno's projects than anything).
But anyway, fuck Sugiyama and I won't be sad when he's gone. Feel free to clutch your pearls and cover a gasp with your hand. He's an evil man.
But anyway, fuck Sugiyama and I won't be sad when he's gone. Feel free to clutch your pearls and cover a gasp with your hand. He's an evil man.
Was I quoted in this post originally? Just got a notification, so I'm curious lol
Not exactly the same thing, but let's "both side" things without taking any context into account!!
He's a backwards-thinking almost-90-year-old man, there's no getting around that. Yet his music has deeply moved me since I was a little kid, and I love it very much.
You know as much as I dislike Sugiyama being a war crime denier and his stance on the LGBT community. I've been entirely transparent in my interest in the DQ series. While pragmatically I probably shouldn't buy the game because it indirectly supports Sugiyama, but I digress I'm one of those folks that separates the art from the artist, but I do so because I enjoy the series and not so much out of any regard to Sugiyama himself, in fact I don't care about him. The sooner he is left behind the series music is handed to someone else the better.
Which makes an interesting point some have glossed upon in this thread already. The DQ series in the West is precarious and Square-Enix is mainly at fault because there were times they sat on their hands having another publisher deal with the localization efforts in their stead. In fact the last mainline Dragon Quest game published on a console in the West was Dragon Quest VIII back in 2005, being 13 years ago.
Some folks probably aren't going to buy DQXI because of Sugiyama being the series composer, I don't blame them, but I wonder if DQXI somehow fails in the West as a result of very heavy September with other strong releases, I wonder if this will be the nail in the coffin that prevents further localization efforts of the series mainline titles in the future.
Dragon Quest without Sugiyama would be most ideal, but possibility of no future DQ games being localized because DQXI failing the West is something I'd hope doesn't happen.
Which makes an interesting point some have glossed upon in this thread already. The DQ series in the West is precarious and Square-Enix is mainly at fault because there were times they sat on their hands having another publisher deal with the localization efforts in their stead. In fact the last mainline Dragon Quest game published on a console in the West was Dragon Quest VIII back in 2005, being 13 years ago.
Some folks probably aren't going to buy DQXI because of Sugiyama being the series composer, I don't blame them, but I wonder if DQXI somehow fails in the West as a result of very heavy September with other strong releases, I wonder if this will be the nail in the coffin that prevents further localization efforts of the series mainline titles in the future.
Dragon Quest without Sugiyama would be most ideal, but possibility of no future DQ games being localized because DQXI failing the West is something I'd hope doesn't happen.
"Think"? There's no actual thought involved in his responses, nor yours for that matter.
Yes, anyone who would administer corporal punishment in response to grievous offenses automatically can't have any good ideas about anything. Once again, no thought involved in that response whatsoever. That is literally black and white thinking, one of the highest forms of ignorance. Congratulations.
This is one of the cases where I separate the person from his art.
Like how I still like Lostprophets, Burzum, Wagner among other bands and musicians.
Like how I still like Lostprophets, Burzum, Wagner among other bands and musicians.
After how many on the old site and even Era responded to LGBT folk over the Chik Fil A thing with "MMMM THAT CHICKEN THO", I don't know why we should expect anything. They don't really care about us.
Yes, we've gone over why he won't be removed from the series in Japan ad naseum. What though if it did make a difference in the west and the games got new soundtracks overseas where there is no cultural attachment to Sugiyama's work?
I'm so sad destiny didn't go harder on him like he did on jontron.
I need to wash my ears out with some Sakimoto RPG music after listening to that non-descript drek.
Yes, it's explicitly because you think beating children is an appropriate action that I rank your moral authority significantly lower than others and consider your opinion on the matter of war-crime denial and LGBTQ+ rights and general bigotry lower than others.
Calling the idea of beating a child "stupid" is putting it insanely lightly. That's an immensely flattering word to think others are applying to you.
I didn't know you hailed from a timeline where North Korea didn't exist. Can I hitch a ride when you return?
Yes, because the two sides are clearly equatable.
A holocaust denier that revels in the deaths of LGBT individuals, and uses his considerable wealth to propagate his abhorrent ideology, versus the people that dislike him for the aforementioned reasons, and believe his demise would be a net win for humanity as a whole.
I'll be sure to give the evil old fucker a hug the next time I see him.
Yes, I quoted you by mistake haha
Hm, I didn't thought about this possibility before. That maybe can be possible in some way if Sugiyama don't have any right to interfere on this.
It's actually not. He used to work for Konami and at the very least composed the soundtrack to Tri-Ace's Frontier Gate(a very late PSP game).
I mean, you have the option. It's not about should or not. Every person will do what they think it's good for them be it buying the game despite this or not buying because of this. And neither of those are wrong.
There's always a lot of factors why various Dragon Quest titles have traditionally failed to take hold in the West and DQXI, aside from the multiplatform change, isn't exactly blazing a new trail for the main series. If DQXI gets a lot of pushback from increased public exposure to Sugiyama's toxic behavior and it becomes clear to SE that it has an impact on sales success in the West, that's one factor that probably has the least impact to future localization compared to all the other ones.
I understand the concept of this series as "keeping the band together", with Horii/Toriyama/Sugiyama being the unchanging core of the games.....
But holy shit has this guy worn out his welcome. Not only is he a terrible guy, but his scores have become lazy the past few games and his MIDI copyright bullshit actually does damage to the product.
But holy shit has this guy worn out his welcome. Not only is he a terrible guy, but his scores have become lazy the past few games and his MIDI copyright bullshit actually does damage to the product.
Just a reminder for people who don't know the context of this gif:
The man you see here is saying that we have things to learn from someone who advocates racial purity and eugenics. He feels that a balanced viewpoint between that and "don't be an asshole to minorities" is a great view to have. You know, maybe we should just be kinda an asshole to minorities. Or something. Who knows.
I mean, that's what's he's saying, but that's not what he means. Boogie does not speak out against hateful, regressive opinions. He breaks out this "let's meet in the middle" speech only when people are critical of bigots. What he means is "I'm also a bigot, but I was hoping that my 'let's all just be friends' shtick would be enough to convince fence-sitters to consider the validity of hate."
You know, kinda like anyone else still saying "both sides are the same" in 2018.
No one is saying you have to give him a hug, but it is seriously messed up to look forward with excitement to someone's death.
I actually reported a lot of those posts on the first page a while ago. They didn't add anything to the discussion and are just fucked up. I know the mods are active in this thread because they've done good work banning homophobes. But it is disappointing to see they did nothing to those posts despite them being reported. A warning at least is warranted. I think allowing that type of rhetoric reflects very poorly on this community. There are much better and more effective ways to criticize a horrible person without advocating the persons deafh.
I mean, evidently he thought it was hilarious that gay kids killed themselves more than others. Why pull punches on a comically evil person like that? If he's that far gone, do you think he honestly deserves any sort of respect as a human being? His existence is detrimental to society.
If DQXI fails in the West, it's almost certainly not because of Sugiyama. We're not the most scrupulous bunch in the first place.
Can anyone explain to me why SquareEnix maintain this guy on their development team? JAmes Gun was fired for making terrible jokes (well, thats waht he said) by Disney. Japanese enterprises don`t have the same code of conduct or american business? That`s just sad to know.
I really like Dragon Quest and I don`t want to see the franchise involved with this kinda of people.
I really like Dragon Quest and I don`t want to see the franchise involved with this kinda of people.
Honestly, he doesn't deserve any sympathy. Mocking people that commit suicide, due to them being mistreated, is dictator-level of evil.
Ya'll fuck off with the respectability politics. It makes it abundantly clear you have zero stake in the hate movements this man supports.
Death Note isn't real. Us looking forward to playing the game guilt-free isn't gonna magically make him have a heart attack or something. It's literally just people venting. Venting is good! Gets all that nasty stuff outta your system.
I can't play the games knowing he's actively causing harm and getting off on the pain of the JPN queer community. I ain't gonna judge anyone who can separate the art from the author, but I can't and have no desire to.
Death Note isn't real. Us looking forward to playing the game guilt-free isn't gonna magically make him have a heart attack or something. It's literally just people venting. Venting is good! Gets all that nasty stuff outta your system.
I can't play the games knowing he's actively causing harm and getting off on the pain of the JPN queer community. I ain't gonna judge anyone who can separate the art from the author, but I can't and have no desire to.
No where did I say he deserves respect. No where did I say he should be reasoned with. I'm saying that if your stance is "I don't like him so i can't wait for him to die" then that's fucked up.
He's royally messed up, but sue me for being in the "two wrongs don't make a right" camp. There are plenty of legitimate ways to tear this guy apart. Saying "I can't wait for him to die" is not one of those ways. It's an edgy hot take that makes us all look bad.
Pretty tired of this thought that we have to take a high road that reaches the fucking moon or we're "just as bad as them." No, we will never be just as bad as him for hoping his hatred can stop being spread in the quickest way possible.
And let's not forget, he didn't just mock them! He uses his wealth and status to support politicians that can do real damage and continue to push extremely dangerous ideologies. As long as he is alive, he is actively contributing to making the lives of the vulnerable worse.
My dude him being alive means he continues to donate to and support these people. The ones that, again, do real damage. You got so upset over people rightfully wanting him to be gone so it'd stop that you went and reported multiple people. Step back and think about that.
have you considered that hating people who spread the view of you as "disgusting degenerates who are destroying society" makes you just as bad as them...
both sides are the same...
i am very intelligent...
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Nothing shows people's true colors like seeing what makes them uncomfortable.
People just want less evil in the world. I don't think that's fucked up.
See this is the kind of viewpoint I entirely back and agree with.
You know where you stand on this situation and you decide you don't want to separate the art from the artist and as a result won't buy the game. That's entirely fair, it's a much more reasonable approach compared to some who will outright criticize and make the implication because some can separate the art from the artist take this as being in support of the words and actions of Sugiyama.
Find the part where I said you're "just as bad as them." You can't. Because I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth. This isn't some "both sides" argument. We're right. He's wrong. There's no grey area. But it adds NOTHING to say "man I can't wait for him to die." It's just fucked up and it makes us look bad.
But guess what, you do have to be the better person. It sucks. It's not fun. But yes we have to be better than the pieces of shit we despise. It's crazy I know, but we actually have to be better if we want the world to be better. But hey if you don't want to be a better person because you're so tired of it then fine don't be. But because you decided you need to have an edgy hot, take that now reflects poorly on the rest of us. You know why? Because if you're not the better person the other side, the bad guys, are going to pluck those choice moments of shit out and highlight it. Give them nothing.
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Yea, sadly not a option (bummer). It's a "I don't care, he's gay in my game" thing, like you said.
I do that a lot with anime and games :p
I wish they had more options in games though.
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