That Portland bakery that was in the news last month comes to mind.
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Era's Woman Problem (Read OP)
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That Portland bakery that was in the news last month comes to mind.
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This place flat out I'd not good on Trans issues and arguably other communities under the Q+
Honest question: Are conservatives welcome on this board? I'm Canadian and vote NDP (our more progressive option) but don't think for a second my party-of-choice has cornered the market on the truth. Aren't thoughtful conservatives and traditionalists able to add something to the conversation and illuminate our blind spots?
And if so, how do we draw clear lines between words that are hateful or directly intending to harm, and differences of opinion that we truly don't understand or agree with?
So ya, are conservatives truly welcome on this board?
And if so, how do we draw clear lines between words that are hateful or directly intending to harm, and differences of opinion that we truly don't understand or agree with?
So ya, are conservatives truly welcome on this board?
Yeeeeah, some threads certainly turn quite ugly, and it is sad. That many men lack empathy thread is something. Freaking topic title just says many, not all, and yet "not all men" keeps appearing lol (or go what about women, thus just another way to deflect the issue that is certainly a thing).
I not sure what much could be done for now outside of maybe stricter bans or something (course I think the moderation team has been doing a good job still), but saying this forum is more progressive than other places like some are saying here, are not really helping. There is still much to improve on.
I not sure what much could be done for now outside of maybe stricter bans or something (course I think the moderation team has been doing a good job still), but saying this forum is more progressive than other places like some are saying here, are not really helping. There is still much to improve on.
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While that is true, I think it's important to realize that a lot of people out there do not share your perspective, but not for some malicious reason, but simply because they are ignorant of it. Progressive change takes time. I doubt that you landed on being a feminist and gained your progressive mindset all on your own. You were probably exposed to a variety of perspectives from people different to yourself and your perspective evolved over time. It's not reasonable to assume that everyone else out there will (or even should) have had the same experiences that led you to where you are today.
Even then, the n-word gets used on this forum A LOT, so that's anothing thing where you have to take the poster into context. Also, "Eskimo" is pretty much a slur in Canada, and that happens to be your username.
Moderation, universally, definitely needs to take context and intention into account. You can be a well-meaning troll or an abrasive progressive, and sometimes neither or both are deserving of a ban.
i think the mods are doing a pretty good job, but i will say that sometimes it does seem like it takes a while for the perma's to come down
look how long Cream and LionPride were able to stick around before the mods finally banned them for good
but again, i think the mods have been doing a pretty good job thus far
look how long Cream and LionPride were able to stick around before the mods finally banned them for good
but again, i think the mods have been doing a pretty good job thus far
I honestly don't think he was comparing progressives (safe space) to non-progressives (people open to questioning).
I think he genuinely just believes some people would be comfortable with a safe space where we don't have to deal with certain push back and freely discuss our issues, and another area of the site that is meant for these issues being challenged. I don't think he meant any harm.
Care to add to the thread beyond reposting another person's drive-by?
By comparing it to genuinely Progressive forums and organisations and seeing that Era in no way measures up to Progressive ideals and standards.
Is Era more progressive than a lot of internet gaming forums? Absolutely.
Does that make it Progressive in and of itself? Absolutely not.
Yeah, I have a bad habit using gifs as responses when I could express my thoughts in a better way to avoid misunderstandings. I must work on it.
I'm fairly sure I was banned by Evilore for complaining about a Sarkeesian thread title change that mocked her opinion of Fury Road.
+1. It's extremely telling to me that some folks literally cannot imagine how a space largely devoid of racist and sexist dog whistles and neverending whataboutism would actually operate.
I think that's an issue of prioritizing "appearing progressive" rather than "being progressive".
In the absence of any sort of internal documentation from GAF that's all we have. Anecdotal evidence isn't meaningless, it's just less useful than other sorts. Meanwhile this isn't some closeted issue. GAF's problems with moderation were both integral to the creation of this site and an issue of concern for this community for some time before that.
I'm curious about what sort of response to that you wanted. Just ignoring it?
What do you mean the report button solves that? I don't see how it would. People don't just mean an inconsistency in mod oversight, but in mod enforcement. Meanwhile GAF effectively had the same thing through PMing a mod.
Things are less opaque but I wouldn't call them particularly transparent either.
People have pointed out other issues here. It's very clear that their issues go beyond merely what you've addressed here, and get into what people actually care about. Essentially the judgement call of when to enforce action and what to enforce.
Frankly I also think pointing out issues with bans is totally fair, and that the moratorium here on talking about them, while probably necessary to keeping things orderly, isn't really a good thing.
People are going to bring up GAF because it was important to the formation of this community and its views and experiences with moderator action. I honestly don't see why you care so much about it, or think it's out of place.
Honestly I think the majority of people are the former and not the latter.
Especially when it comes to "Leftists".
I personally don't feel they are (not necessarily by moderation, but just how by other users react to their presence), but I'm not a conservative so I can't really speak to it.
I agree with your post, so just FYI in case you or someone else here isnt aware of the context
https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/american-eskimo-dog/
Edit: These 3 posts in a row are excellent regarding our avatars
It is a reflection of the Democratic party where there are left activist voices and center-ish voices favoring the peace of courtesy rather than the peace of justice, but this is also the reality of being a gaming board. Can't expect people who got their politics from MGS to have read Wollstonecraft.
It is a big tent forum, basically, and only "left" in a relative sense since the vast majority of mainstream gaming boards are right/far right with only a bare minimum of lip service to left values that are in vogue like gay marriage.
EDIT: Being conservative seems to be allowed here. The brand of conservative that revolves around victimhood for being white and straight and male is not, which, just by coincidence, is most of American conservatives. As far as I can tell these seem to be the people most upset at Era's policies and attitudes towards conservatives.
I'm not sure that many of the people advocating for more strict bans in this thread would agree that those posters you mentioned are a good example of what they want. Hence why some people are wary of more strict moderation.
It's not just shitting on era by circle jerking in their community.
They regularly start accounts and actively shit in here.
A huge chunk of these obnoxious samey sounding bad faith posts come from those communities.
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Yes.
As long as they argue in good faith and don't dismiss the concerns of minorities, etc...
For the life of me I can't find a moderator list. When you're banned you generally have a one sentence reason as to why. Once your ban is over and you click the "I Agree" button there's no record of the post, the reason, or the mod who banned you for you to reach out.
User banned (1 week): series of condescending posts attempting to invalidate concerns over misogyny
I don't know this poster's history and hopefully it isn't a bad one, but I was wondering how to respond and this comment pretty much sums up my feelings.
I read a lot of the "females" thread and I didn't find the OP's arguments strong enough to win me over. I'm not going to try and invalidate someone's experience, but simply expressing your opinion doesn't make it valid or particularly strong.
I feel somewhat the same about this thread. ERA seems fairly progressive. Yeah, you have a bunch of juveniles and some negatives slip in, but the mods seems pretty good about giving warning and bans when it's clear and obvious that someone needs either a time out or a permanent ban.
The problem with people like the OP is that they have this rigid idea about the world around them and they tend to disregard everything else, including the opinions of others. Not saying it is the case in this thread, but often it just seems immature and attention seeking.
OP, you've got this idea of what the word progressive means, but guess what? Not everyone is required to hold the exact same world view as you.
GAF moderation was pretty clearly horrible, and the fact that people you don't like also know that doesn't diminish that.
In what other forum could there be a thread that is essentially stickied on the first page of the gaming forum about objectified depictions of women in games, have it be that many posts, and proceed each day with barely any idiots shitting it up. At least I don't notice too much of that if at all when I catch up on it.
I think it's a lot to ask for a large userbase to reflect the exact set of values you want reflected. There's a fairly consistent baseline of expectations, maybe it doesn't always work out that way, but overall it's in the ballpark.
I think it's a lot to ask for a large userbase to reflect the exact set of values you want reflected. There's a fairly consistent baseline of expectations, maybe it doesn't always work out that way, but overall it's in the ballpark.
Probably shouldn't use the juxtaposition that is used every time people want to shut down the concerns of progressives then.
He invoked an incredibly loaded dichotomy
I don't know, by virtue of this forum being majority american their democratic party that is supposed to be the left would be considered centrist or outright right wing in other countries do to answer your question yes, I think they are just not in the american sense
Also looks like people are mainly focusing on bans as the solution. When the OP mentions the problems is general lack of empathy.
Temp bans I think gets the point across that a certain type of behavior is not accepted. Removing the immediate harm and allowing a chance for reform.
Perma-bans is exporting the behavior so it can gather somewhere else.
Not to say these aren't situationally viable solutions.
I guess I'm trying to understand the goal here. Is the general consensus that this forum isn't progressive enough, so we should prune it's membership until it is, or that the general population isn't progressive enough so we should take action until it is?
If the later, what should we do about it?
Temp bans I think gets the point across that a certain type of behavior is not accepted. Removing the immediate harm and allowing a chance for reform.
Perma-bans is exporting the behavior so it can gather somewhere else.
Not to say these aren't situationally viable solutions.
I guess I'm trying to understand the goal here. Is the general consensus that this forum isn't progressive enough, so we should prune it's membership until it is, or that the general population isn't progressive enough so we should take action until it is?
If the later, what should we do about it?
How do you disagree with the argument against females but at the same time disparage men who do use it?
The point of the thread (I believe) is that misogyny should not be welcome here. If you think that means that conservatives aren't welcome here then I'd say they have a cultural or image problem that they should correct. Misogyny shouldn't be a political platform.
I see no evidence of this. Maybe you're just biased because you got banned or something.
You really don't understand how the term "females" in place of "women" is used to dehumanise in the same way "bitches" is?
This doesn't require a "strong" argument when there is so much blatant evidence of it.
lol @ everyone like "If this forum isn't progressive, what is?????" Well, off the top of my head, the Waypoint forums are more progressive than ERA, their only downside being their small userbase since nobody knows they exist. I've also participated in subreddits and other communities that are more progressive than ERA.
When your first response to racism directed towards black people is to ask "but what about white people" then that is exactly what you're doing.
I can disparage someone for rocking a mullet and not think it's poisoning the minds of future children.
(More accurate answer: trying to be funny)
The issue is that the crux of the "pushback" is on someone's humanity. Essentially that person is saying why don't we create a subforum where you shouldn't question someone's humanity and another where we're free to challenge their existence!
I don't get it. This site doesn't ban people except in cases of racism, sexism, etc. It doesn't ban topics that can be challenged without literally challenging someone's humanity. What exactly do people want to be challenged that can't already be challenged in the forum as it exists now? I'm being serious. I want to know specifically what do people think they can't discuss now that would be fair game in such a scenario. What differing opinions do you think you need to hear that you can't now?
Yeah, spending time here I've come to discover that leftists are a very small portion of the people here, which is strange considering that it seems to mainly be right-wingers/anti-Era people that perpetuate that misconception, so I have no idea how it has become widely believed even here.
Another poster quoting a drive-by as a drive-by adding nothing to the discussion at all.
I think the majority of the time, if an OP can present an argument with a good explanation and good evidence, then there will likely be few issues in the ensuing discussion. If an OP does not offer those, then it doesn't matter how true the statements may be. It was framed around a poor OP. Case in point, the thread on the use of the word "female". If the OP was given a much better explanation, and it showed evidence that it truly is an issue around this forum, then it would be a much less controversial topic. It didn't do those. It had four sentences telling everyone to stop using the word, which resulted in tensions. How can we expect respect in that way?
If someone in gaming side made a "Zelda Breath of the Wild/God of War sucks" thread with an OP giving four sentences and little evidence or explanation, it would not go over very well.
You could argue Waypoint and those subs are the way they are because of their size though.
Why the fuck are people literally just quoting a drive-by post without adding literally a single character to the conversation? Thanks for further populating my ignore list I suppose. Jesus.
Or maybe women just (rightly so) don't give a single shit about your opinion as a man in regards to criticising women's issues. Why should they? You have no idea while they are living it every single day. It's not about arguments, it's about empathy. Either listen and learn or at the very least get over your incessant need to express a persecution complex.
Really now? Care to cite any examples of that happening on this forum or are you bringing in an irrelevant strawman for whatever reason?
Or maybe women just (rightly so) don't give a single shit about your opinion as a man in regards to criticising women's issues. Why should they? You have no idea while they are living it every single day. It's not about arguments, it's about empathy. Either listen and learn or at the very least get over your incessant need to express a persecution complex.
Really now? Care to cite any examples of that happening on this forum or are you bringing in an irrelevant strawman for whatever reason?
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Yeah imagine not wanting to be harassed, talked down to, disrespected, assaulted, discriminated against, on the basis on your gender. OP is pretty unreasonable alright.
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