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UsoEwin

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Jul 14, 2018
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See I thought his Xenoblade Chronicles 2 video was pretty funny and I love that game, this wasn't really funny it felt like he was just mad at the game for existing.

Also I'll don't get why people hate turn based combat or random battles, I mean if thats not your thing fine but I've yet to see a compelling explanation for why they are somehow 'bad' like Dunkey and others I've seen say time and again.

I don't like games like Diablo but I don't go around saying those systems are trash they just aren't something that appeals to me.
Random battles are a system made entirely because of hardware limitations. They limit the amount of choices you can make, like how little or high you want to level your character. They are time consuming when you just want to get to point A as fast as possible, and the roll of the dice if you get blindsided or if you blindside enemies is garbage.

Having enemies displayed on map is superior in many aspects, and doesn't regress anything whatsoever from random encounters.
 

NotLiquid

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Oct 25, 2017
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People need to stop being personally offended at Dunkey not liking this, lol. There was minimal chance he was ever going to, and he managed to make a funny ass video out of the game anyway.
No one's offended, but it is a visibly "cheap" video for him to do and doesn't really inform me of anything substantial. This is the guy who admitted he hates JRPGs and anime, and is an impatient player, even arguing that knowing a reviewer's biases helps inform how to take their reviews. Going by Dunk's own logic, this video really doesn't do much for me apart from reminding me about his biases.
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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I have nothing against random encounters and turn-based so I disagree with Dunkey on that. I just think Octopath is at best a run-of-the-mill JRPG that doesn't even try to surpass the offering of SNES JRPGs. Not that I consider the latter to be the best that the genre has offered, but I see games like Romancing SaGa 3 or Live a Live, and I take another look at Octopath, and I just see how much of a gigantic gulf there is between the two.

If I was starving for good JRPGs I would absolutely be all over Octopath Traveler, but I am not. Not even 5 months ago, I got into The Alliance Alive bringing new things to the table in a refreshing way, as well as the remake of Radiant Historia and Strange Journey being two excellent JRPGs. Not even mentioning Romancing SaGa 2 remaster and be amazed at how novel and smart if still feels today.

Then I have to go on my playthrough of Octopath...I have to deal with the same kind of non-existent level design for dungeons like Bravely Default, I have to deal with tepid dialogue, and most of all I have to deal with the repetition of doing the same thing for 31 of the 32 chapters. I don't have it in me for now. And I just have to accept that Asano games are simply not for me, starting all the way back with 4 Heroes of Light.
 

Cloud-Hidden

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Oct 30, 2017
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Hes 100% right about some of the dialogue, the lack of interaction and the structure of the chapters.

And dunkey already said how he felt about turn based games in his Game Critics video so im not surprised.

The combat is fun but it starts off way too slow and if you dont get 2nd jobs immediately youll be frustrated with it. I also cant imagine playing this game without a mage in your party at all times since that class significantly lowers random encounters.

I'm about 11 hours in, have no second jobs at all, and am still loving the combat. Where do you even get the alternate jobs? For reference, I've gone in almost totally blind, haven't been reading the OT or guides for fear of spoilers, and haven't started anyone's chapter 2 yet.
 

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No one's offended, but it is a visibly "cheap" video for him to do and doesn't really inform me of anything substantial. This is the guy who admitted he hates JRPGs and anime, and is an impatient player, even arguing that knowing a reviewer's biases helps inform how to take their reviews. Going by Dunk's own logic, this review really doesn't mean anything to me.
That's fine, but then move on. No point getting annoyed that he tried a new turn based JRPG and didn't like it.
 

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I'm about 11 hours in, have no second jobs at all, and am still loving the combat. Where do you even get the alternate jobs? For reference, I've gone in almost totally blind, haven't been reading the OT or guides for fear of spoilers, and haven't started anyone's chapter 2 yet.
You're gonna see shrines in the world (they're outside the inner circle with the C1 cities), their kind of look like combs on the radar. Those are shrines. Just walk into one and you unlock its Job.
 

Yukinari

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Danger Zone
I'm about 11 hours in, have no second jobs at all, and am still loving the combat. Where do you even get the alternate jobs? For reference, I've gone in almost totally blind, haven't been reading the OT or guides for fear of spoilers, and haven't started anyone's chapter 2 yet.

Theyre usually near the starting towns on alternate higher level paths in caves with that job's name.

You can get them as early as you want.
 

NotLiquid

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That's fine, but then move on. No point getting annoyed that he tried a new turn based JRPG and didn't like it.
So by your logic I'm not supposed to critique this video? Even when the person this topic is about has had no issues critiquing other people's reviews?

What a strange conclusion to make. Why was this video posted if not to get people's opinions on it?
 

Yuuber

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Oct 28, 2017
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Of course he exaggerates so he can entertain his viewers, but most of his problems with the game mirror the experience I had with the time-limited demo. I have no patience with this sort of approach to JRPG anymore.
 

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So by your logic I'm not supposed to critique this video? Even when the person this topic is about has had no issues critiquing other people's reviews?

What a strange conclusion to make. Why was this video posted if not to get people's opinions on it?
You're misunderstanding. I'm saying people getting personally offended is weird to me. It's Dunkey, he makes stuff like this for the lulz.
 

DTC

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Oct 25, 2017
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The only grinding is at the very end. If you have to grind in this game (until the end), you're just not thinking right. Exploring the world a bit and fighting encounters should be more than enough to beat this game.

I had the passive that reduces the rate of enemy encounters and I was still overprepared for a lot of the stuff in this game.

And the story is pretty good. The chapter 1's are okay overall (the "Your Excellency" repeats were pretty awful though), but the story gets a lot better later on. Most chapter 2's are better than the ch 1's, and the ch 3's and on are pretty strong.
 

Molemitts

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dunkey makes a really great point about how outdated JRPG storytelling is. It feel like something absolutely restricted by the technology of its time.

Octopath seems like the exact kind of homage to old media I don't like, trying to emulate old Final Fantasy, without really modernizing it and/or adding much of a new twist on top.
 

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Dunkey is the kind of casual western gamer he doesn't like 99% of JRPGs so i'm not surprised.

Don't get me wrong i love most of his videos, but he's not the go-to channel for a JRPG.
 

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Dunkey makes a really great point about how outdated JRPG storytelling is. It feel like something absolutely restricted by the technology of its time.

Octopath seems like the exact kind of homage to old media I don't like, trying to emulate old Final Fantasy, without really modernizing it and/or adding much of a new twist on top.
This is categorically untrue, Octopath adds a lot to the classic JRPG formula, its just that its additions are mechanical, nor narrative.
 

DTC

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dunkey makes a really great point about how outdated JRPG storytelling is. It feel like something absolutely restricted by the technology of its time.

Octopath seems like the exact kind of homage to old media I don't like, trying to emulate old Final Fantasy, without really modernizing it and/or adding much of a new twist on top.

Octopath allows you to choose the path you want to take throughout the world (giving you more freedom than most RPG's), it has a completely new battle system, 8 different stories to go through.

The game makes a TON of changes to the standard rpg formula. It creates its own formula (which I think is generally good most of the time, and eh other time)
 

Novel Mike

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Oct 25, 2017
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Random battles are a system made entirely because of hardware limitations. They limit the amount of choices you can make, like how little or high you want to level your character. They are time consuming when you just want to get to point A as fast as possible, and the roll of the dice if you get blindsided or if you blindside enemies is garbage.

Having enemies displayed on map is superior in many aspects, and doesn't regress anything whatsoever from random encounters.
Okay let me break this down if I can...

They limit the amount of choices you can make, like how little or high you want to level your character.
This isn't true at all, in almost every RPG you can run from battles outside of boss battles. This works the same way as if you see enemies on the field.

They are time consuming when you just want to get to point A as fast as possible, and the roll of the dice if you get blindsided or if you blindside enemies is garbage.
I've played plenty of games with random battles that play out faster then games where there isn't turn based battles or heck even action based combat systems. Many of those other systems also block your path forward frequently generally requiring you to kill all enemies to advance, its a common thing in all manner of RPGs and not something that only games with random battles have.

In regards to positioning its RNG sure but everything in RPG's in RNG from the damage you output to how much you heal and in many games the amount your stats go up when you level, I don't get why 'blindsides' as you call them are bad either way its just a way to change up traditional encounters and games like Persona 5 with its stealth system give you way to much control over that and it ends up making battles trivial.
 

tiebreaker

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Oct 25, 2017
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He isn't wrong. Octopath is like a comfort JRPG food for me. I'd have prefered smaller party and more depth to the story.
 

Chairman Yang

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why the hell would Dunkey even play a game like this? He's said numerous times that he hates the genre, it just seems pointless to make the effort to shit on a game that there was a 0% chance of him liking to begin with.
Why would you think there's a 0% chance of him liking it? Maybe the game just has to avoid the common fatal problems in the genre instead of falling right into them.

Personally, I'm a JRPG fan but hate 95% of them. It's the 5%, and the hope that Japanese devs will stop making the same dumb mistakes over and over, that keep me that way.
 

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Dunkey makes a really great point about how outdated JRPG storytelling is. It feel like something absolutely restricted by the technology of its time.

Octopath seems like the exact kind of homage to old media I don't like, trying to emulate old Final Fantasy, without really modernizing it and/or adding much of a new twist on top.

Of course he exaggerates so he can entertain his viewers, but most of his problems with the game mirror the experience I had with the time-limited demo. I have no patience with this sort of approach to JRPG anymore.

So don't play JRPGs, simple as that.

Like i don't mind people not enjoying JRPGs but i hate soo much when they try so hard to convince you that the JRPG formula is bad and old and nobody should play it.

Cause then you play something like Xenoblade and you have so many revelations with all the plot twists near the end that you wish more modern RPGs would go as deep with the story.
 

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Why would you think there's a 0% chance of him liking it? Maybe the game just has to avoid the common fatal problems in the genre instead of falling right into them.

Personally, I'm a JRPG fan but hate 95% of them. It's the 5%, and the hope that Japanese devs will stop making the same dumb mistakes over and over, that keep me that way.

Maybe the japanese devs continues to make those same "dumb mistakes" because there's people that actually like many of what you consider a mistake?
 

hans_castorp

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is the rpg equivalent of that infamous football manager review or the PS2/psp era monster hunter reviews.

Why buy and "review" a game you know you won't enjoy. Specially when you have a lengthy demo available.
 

RochHoch

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Why would you think there's a 0% chance of him liking it? Maybe the game just has to avoid the common fatal problems in the genre instead of falling right into them.

Personally, I'm a JRPG fan but hate 95% of them. It's the 5%, and the hope that Japanese devs will stop making the same dumb mistakes over and over, that keep me that way.
He hates the genre, and hates turn-based combat. He has literally said that. The only JRPGs that he seems to like are those like Persona 5 that are pretty far removed from being typical JRPG fare, while Octopath was meant to be a standard, classic, JRPG in nearly every way.
 

Raven117

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Oct 25, 2017
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I thought the end of that was great. "You blew it Reggie."
 

DTC

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Outside of boosting moves like in Bravely Default (but a bit simpler), what else? Path abilities?

Breaking, weaknesses, the round system (which adds a TON of complexity in battles), a world that you can explore in whatever way you seem fit, 8 different stories to play through

In addition to the aforementioned boosting and path actions
 

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Dizagaox

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I dislike around half the JRPGs I play. They live or die by the story, and if its MOR I usually say sod it. Octopath Traveler is serviceable. The nostalgic appeal of it is not why I'm playing it, so strip that away and it's just okay. I reckon it's lucky Dark Souls was "delayed".
 

.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Path abilities, and the whole non linearity, and of course the battle system

Non-linearity? You mean the eight level gated linear stories?

Breaking, weaknesses, the round system (which adds a TON of complexity in battles), a world that you can explore in whatever way you seem fit, 8 different stories to play through

Weakenesses are hardly a new concept. The battle system feels like a step back from a concept Bravely Default developed really well. The world is gated by level/armor strength, hardly explorable and even if you do explore there is barely anything of note apart from chests and the occasional NPC -- everything else is marked on your map for you to walk to. I dunno. I don't see it.
 
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PrimeBeef

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Yeah, it's definitely an issue. A lot of other JRPGs have a similar repetitive nature go to a town, then dungeon, fight boss, town, dungeon, boss and so on. Octopath Traveler makes it much worse by having uninteresting stories and generic dungeons and towns with little variety. It's a game that started with a lot of promise for me, but got old pretty quick.
But see, this game is supposed to be 8 individual stories. It's not a typical JRPG or even a typical RPG. It's like going into BotW and expecting OoT and then being disappointed. While yes, the stories are pretty boring, and gets pretty repetitive, it is kind of designed that way.if you don't want some characters you can just skip it. You can just play each character separate ( after you finish one story completely). It is not supposed to be an all encompassing overarching story and the travelers are not supposed to interact.

I wish it were something more traditional, but I do not find fault with what they are trying to do because it is not typical.
 

KLoWn

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Oct 27, 2017
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He's already said in many of his videos that he doesn't like these kinds of games at all, so his opinion on it isn't really surprising.

What annoys me the most is that he took the time to make this video complaining about something everyone already knew he would dislike when he could've made something way better with other material. This felt pointless.
 

Wil Grieve

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I don't understand why every video this dude makes seems to deserve its own thread.

He's not funny.
 

Tibarn

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Oct 31, 2017
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Fair complaints, random battles are a surprising thing to have in a 2018 game. But the combat system is really good, I'm enjoying it as much as P5 combat and a lot more than the 3DS Atlus games I've played recently (Radiant Historia or SMT games).
 

Raven117

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Yeah, i love the whole "Reggie" running joke with Dunk, lol
What do you think of OT?
I don't have a ton of time with it yet, but so far, I totally dig it. The music and art style are god-tier. I enjoy the smaller stories, and don't find the writing as cliche as some others. (Its a little much in some parts, but otherwise, good...I like how the writing style changes for which area you are in).

The battles do draw out a bit long for just the foot soldiers. But, with a little strategy, you get moving through them pretty fast.

Overall, I think its about an 8/10 very good game. Its chill, its beautiful, a love letter to the golden age of JRPGS. I can see how its not really for everyone. If you never liked old school JRPGs, then I doubt this one will do much to change your mind.

How about you? Thoughts on it?
 

NSESN

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Fair complaints, random battles are a surprising thing to have in a 2018 game. But the combat system is really good, I'm enjoying it as much as P5 combat and a lot more than the 3DS Atlus games I've played recently (Radiant Historia or SMT games).
How is P5 combat better than the 3DS SMT games?
 

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I don't have a ton of time with it yet, but so far, I totally dig it. The music and art style are god-tier. I enjoy the smaller stories, and don't find the writing as cliche as some others. (Its a little much in some parts, but otherwise, good...I like how the writing style changes for which area you are in).

The battles do draw out a bit long for just the foot soldiers. But, with a little strategy, you get moving through them pretty fast.

Overall, I think its about an 8/10 very good game. Its chill, its beautiful, a love letter to the golden age of JRPGS. I can see how its not really for everyone. If you never liked old school JRPGs, then I doubt this one will do much to change your mind.

How about you? Thoughts on it?
I enjoy it greatly. I love the battle system, I love the open endedness of the characters, I love the flexibility in the RPG mechanics. Overall, 8.5 sounds right for it. It's got flaws, but I love it nonetheless.
 

Valus

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I'm surprised he even made a video for this game. Knew he would hate it before clicking, definitely not his style of game.
 

Tibarn

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How is P5 combat better than the 3DS SMT games?
Visually more appealing,the menus are easier to navigate and the pace is better. The mechanics are not that different (strike weak points, negotiate with demons, protect your weak points...). The presentation in P5 is far better and that alone makes turn-based combat far more enjoyable for me.
 

Einbroch

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Why the hell would Dunkey even play a game like this? He's said numerous times that he hates the genre, it just seems pointless to make the effort to shit on a game that there was a 0% chance of him liking to begin with.
Because this might be the one to turn his opinion around? Because the game has gotten a ton of positive buzz?

I generally don't like first person shooters but I'll try them every once and a while, especially ones that people say are great.