Harmon (Rick&Morty) Deletes Twitter Account After His '09 Video Featuring Baby Doll Rape Resurfaces

ZackieChan · Jul 23, 2018

cagey said:
Sorry, bro.

Not him too!

PhilosopherDirtBike said:
The fact that everybody is so offended at the idea of child rape being used in this skit is EXACTLY WHY IT WAS USED IN THIS SKIT. It's satire! Its intention is to make you disgusted and then make you compare that to the thing it's satirizing to show you the parallels! That's how satire works!

It's not high brow but it's on a whole other level than James Gunn fucking retweeting NAMBLA or whatever

I remember when Howard Stern sent Stuttering John to a NAMBLA meeting decades ago to fuck with them. Exposed their sick bullshit and made them a laughing stock.
Now he'd be eviscerated for giving them a platform. How things have changed. The squares won.

see5harp · Jul 23, 2018

PSqueak said:
And like i said, he is also the only one who didn't actually have sex. it's a joke at the expense of Zapp and Fry being huge sex starved pervs.

Okay so it's okay to joke about rape.

pink · Jul 23, 2018

Chumley said:
That, and I wonder how long until they start shitting all over the grave of Robin Williams for some of his material. I can't fucking believe this is the world we now live in.

quick, someone show a twitter nazi one of eddie murphys stand ups

Raiku · Jul 23, 2018

Ban ALL comedy that makes me slightly uncomfortable.

Then, and only then will we achieve utopia.

Deleted member 39374 · Jul 23, 2018

Yachty said:
K bro keep going after jokes and the only people wellw have left is people like cernovich lmao. Next it'll be retweeting dark jokes or parody accounts and you're done

The left's Ministry of Outrage is under new alt-right management lol

Vulcano's Assistant · Jul 23, 2018

Brock Reiher said:
I thought these people loved Rick and Morty

Maybe, but for over a year Harmon's own podcast has been "I'm angry at Trump"

BringBackSonics · Jul 23, 2018

Spinluck said:
This basically ended up being the same as the Gunn thread.

Feel like we are losing both the battle and the war against the alt-right. They straight up Zemo'd us.

This might be crazy, but maybe Bill Maher had a fucking point. As much as I disagree with him, the alt-right are more united than the left as a whole it seems.

This is pretty much spot on, I'm arguing with people in one of our political groups to vote for a sure bet blue representative. albeit not a complete progressive. They are going to write in their progressive candidate, instead of voting blue. It's maddening.

PSqueak · Jul 23, 2018

Gravy Boat said:
So joke about rape aren't ok but jokes about attempted rape are fine?

No, jokes about rape are not "fine", that doesn't mean we ignore the context, and the joke is not "lol, they'll be raped to death", the joke is "Lol, the amazonians' punishment backfired because Zapp and Fry are enjoying it", it's still a very raunchy joke, but hardly something to equate futurama to Gunn's or Harmon's jokes.

You can acknowledge that the futurama joke is off color and insensitive, but you cannot in good faith argue it's the same as the highest offense, and reaction to these raunchy jokes should be adecuate to the level of the offense.

Damisa Sarki · Jul 23, 2018

Guys...I don't know if I can get behind this one....Grown men should not be making these kind of jokes..it's just nasty.

Deleted member 3058 · Jul 23, 2018

Raiku said:
Ban ALL comedy that makes me slightly uncomfortable.

Then, and only then will we achieve utopia.

I'm missing all the calls for a ban.

What are you responding to?

Deleted member 6730 · Jul 23, 2018

excelsiorlef said:
I dunno there's a lot of society that protects child rapists...

I mean yeah, in the same way society protects people who commit other heinous crimes but you're outed, you're out.

Con_Smith · Jul 23, 2018

Guys, there is so much pedo stuff in Game of Thrones books. I think George may be fucked soon.

Cokie Bear · Jul 23, 2018

PSqueak said:
No, jokes about rape are not "fine", that doesn't mean we ignore the context, and the joke is not "lol, they'll be raped to death", the joke is "Lol, the amazonians' punishment backfired because Zapp and Fry are enjoying it", it's still a very raunchy joke, but hardly something to equate futurama to Gunn's or Harmon jokes.

You can acknowledge that the futurama joke is off color and insensitive, but you cannot in good faith argue it's the same as the highest offense, and reaction to these raunchy jokes should be adecuate to the level of the offense.

I'm not arguing anything just trying to understand why you think the skit about kif almost getting raped is ok.

Miller · Jul 23, 2018

excelsiorlef said:
I dunno there's a lot of society that protects child rapists...

At the very least, it has to be the closest thing to something society can collectively agree is awful. Like, what thing we perceive to be bad receives less debate? Less "time and place" arguments?" Nothing, I would assume. Certainly, I can't think of anything.

Deleted member 38573 · Jul 23, 2018

Gattsu25 said:
I'm missing all the calls for a ban.

What are you responding to?

poster above you for example

nobody has used the word "ban" but we're getting there

Deleted member 3897 · Jul 23, 2018

Con_Smith said:
Guys, there is so much pedo stuff in Game of Thrones books. I think George may be fucked soon.

Always Sunny about to get shut down.

Gugi40 · Jul 23, 2018

WascallyWabbit said:
Sure, what's the question? Pardon me, but I do not believe you asked one.

EDIT: I think I get what you're saying. My apologies. Here's my answer to your question:
I will say that dark humor can be funny in many ways, I have laughed plenty of Anthony Jeselnik jokes that crossed these same lines. For whatever reason, I do not believe that this is a line that a comedian cannot cross.

I too have laughed at many dark jokes but rape is one of those things where the joke always hurts the victims and the culture that perpetuates that suffering. Now a rape joke at the expense of the rapist is generally pretty funny as it can give some relief to victims.

Nappuccino · Jul 23, 2018

PSqueak said:
The joke literally is that they are more than willing to take that "punishment", it's not rape because they're actively enjoying it and looking forward to it, and in the end both Fry and Zapp are celebrating that it happened.

Not kif though.

PSqueak · Jul 23, 2018

Gravy Boat said:
I'm not arguing anything just trying to understand why you think the skit about kif almost getting raped is ok.

I didn't say it was okay to joke about kif almost getting raped, i said the laughs came from Zapp and Fry, not from Kif.

That's exactly why Kif doesn't get raped and he gets quickly rescued by Amy, the writers knew there was nothing funny about Kif getting raped, that's why they focused the funny side on Fry and Zapp being more than willing to have sex.

Bran Van · Jul 23, 2018

Comedians can joke about anything they god damn well feel like, that's the point of freedom of speech. Their success will live and die on of their comedy is good. We don't need outrage culture about comedians

Deleted member 3058 · Jul 23, 2018

coconut milk said:
poster above you for example

Poster above me is not calling for a ban..?

Not liking a horrible joke != calling for a current ban.

Volimar · Jul 23, 2018

Kongroo · Jul 23, 2018

bic said:
It's not even worth trying. The thread was hijacked and became "Is child rape funny?" from the first page on.The willful blindness in this thread would be funny if it weren't for the implications.

Literally every second comment is "wow look at all the people who think rape jokes are funny". At this point, some people are just commited to ignoring the actual conversation being had. I wonder how it feels to be played by Mike Cernovich.

Deleted member 1248 · Jul 23, 2018

Bran Van said:
Comedians can joke about anything they god damn well feel like, that's the point of freedom of speech. Their success will live and die on of their comedy is good. We don't need outrage culture about comedians

Free speech is not under attack, so you have no point here.

Bird · Jul 23, 2018

I for one am prepared for President Cernovich in 2024. He can play the left like a goddamn fiddle.

Luna V. · Jul 23, 2018

People not being able to tell the difference between someone throwing the word 'rape' around in a round of Overwatch and Dan Harmon satirizing Dexter to point out how fucked up our values are is.... sad. Dirt cheap discourse.

I'm not even a big fan of his, but this is absurd. The worst part is how many are just dropping blanket statements without understanding the context of the joke. At least inform yourself if you're gonna argue a point, it's the most basic thing you can do.

Like, the shit Gunn was posting was legit fucked up (the blog) context and all, but this is not that.

Seesaw15 · Jul 23, 2018

PSqueak said:
And like i said, he is also the only one who didn't actually have sex. it's a joke at the expense of Zapp and Fry being huge sex starved pervs.

There are multiple jokes happening at once. The gag of Kif not being masculine/not having typical male priorities is present. Kif has a sincere moment confessing to Amy that is then undercut by an Amazon throwing Kif over her shoulders and saying "Be gentle." I have no problem with it but Kifs attempted rape/discomfort towards sex is a running joke throughout the episode.

Futurama is filled with that stuff thus why I was telling the other poster to throw away their Blu Rays if they didn't find that type of humor funny.

Deleted member 38573 · Jul 23, 2018

Gattsu25 said:
Poster above me is not calling for a ban..?

Not liking a horrible joke != calling for a current ban.

"grown men should not be making these kind of jokes"

i mean..... he hasn't used the word ban, sure.

Clockwork · Jul 23, 2018

Bird said:
I for one am prepared for President Cernovich in 2024. He can play the left like a goddamn fiddle.

Nay man, we're playing ourselves.

Sometimes I feel like being left is some kind of competition than I wasn't made aware of.

Cokie Bear · Jul 23, 2018

PSqueak said:
I didn't say it was okay to joke about kif almost getting raped, i said the laughs came from Zapp and Fry, not from Kif.

That's exactly why Kif doesn't get raped and he gets quickly rescued by Amy, the writers knew there was nothing funny about Kif getting raped, that's why they focused the funny side on Fry and Zapp being more than willing to have sex.

There's an entire scene of just Kif when Zach and Fry aren't around. Kif is part of the joke too.

Reckheim · Jul 23, 2018

Kongroo said:
Literally every second comment is "wow look at all the people who think rape jokes are funny". At this point, some people are just commited to ignoring the actual conversation being had. I wonder how it feels to be played by Mike Cernovich.

Most people don't even bother to see what the context of the joke is, these threads are so frustrating as someone that grew up with this type of humor.

Bird · Jul 23, 2018

Kongroo said:
Literally every second comment is "wow look at all the people who think rape jokes are funny". At this point, some people are just commited to ignoring the actual conversation being had. I wonder how it feels to be played by Mike Cernovich.

It's very frustrating. I like to read an entire thread before posting on it, but 6 pages in it had gotten too bad. This is the kind of shit that turned Tumblr from a welcoming place to the toxic shithole it is today.

You're not better than anyone else just because your sense of humor is "higher brow". If you disagree with this, please quote this message so I may add you to the ignore list, cause we will never see eye to eye and would rather save myself the eyestrain.

Nappuccino · Jul 23, 2018

PSqueak said:
I didn't say it was okay to joke about kif almost getting raped, i said the laughs came from Zapp and Fry, not from Kif.

That's exactly why Kif doesn't get raped and he gets quickly rescued by Amy, the writers knew there was nothing funny about Kif getting raped, that's why they focused the funny side on Fry and Zapp being more than willing to have sex.

Time passes and Kif's fate is left unclear. There is the suggestion numerous women have entered their chambers before the rescue. Of course, one of the jokes is an Amazonian who does not take no for an answer and literally prods him until he would consent, if not for Amy's intervention. So yeah, a joke in that sequence is laughing at the idea of a woman trying to have nonconsensual sex with a man.

Gugi40 · Jul 23, 2018

Einchy said:
Your whole post was talking about the current events happening RIGHT NOW. Don't move the goalpost to make it seem like you were talking about 2009 when the video was posted.

I didn't say anything about the video though, I am commenting on the fact that people are defending the joke and questioning just HOW rape is funny and so far no one explained how rape is funny it has been a tantamount of deflection and straw man arguments.

Deleted member 3058 · Jul 23, 2018

coconut milk said:
"grown men should not be making these kind of jokes"

i mean..... he hasn't used the word ban, sure.

I agree with that statement.

Grown men shouldn't. Agreed.

Still doesn't mean anyone is calling for a ban.

Hell, the skit that was the inspiration for R&M is a pedo/incest one.

I'm glad they kept that shit out of the show. I can enjoy the show even knowing that the dude that created it has a history of humor that I think is disgusting as fuck.

I'm looking at this and I'm putting the appropriate level of outrage at it: just about nothing.

Keep your energy on getting these alt-right friendly assholes kicked out of office in November instead of attacking others on a somewhat left leaning message board for things that they're not even saying.

Dook's Revenge · Jul 23, 2018

ZackieChan said:
Not him too!

I remember when Howard Stern sent Stuttering John to a NAMBLA meeting decades ago to fuck with them. Exposed their sick bullshit and made them a laughing stock.
Now he'd be eviscerated for giving them a platform. How things have changed. The squares won.

That answering machine clip they used to play was killer. Cracked me up every time.

"Be brave!"

RedMercury · Jul 23, 2018

Damisa Sarki said:
Guys...I don't know if I can get behind this one....Grown men should not be making these kind of jokes..it's just nasty.

I agree they should not, but what do we do about it when we know the only reason anyone is talking about it is because Nazis are trying to take over the country? We have to keep it in perspective.

PSqueak · Jul 23, 2018

Seesaw15 said:
There are multiple jokes happening at once. The gag of Kif not being masculine/not having typical male priorities is present. Kif has a sincere moment confessing to Amy that is then undercut by an Amazon throwing Kif over her shoulders and saying "Be gentle." I have no problem with it but Kifs attempted rape/discomfort towards sex is a running joke throughout the episode.

Futurama is filled with that stuff thus why I was telling the other poster to throw away their Blu Rays if they didn't find that type of humor funny.

I do find the jokes at Kif not being masculine enough to be more distasteful (specially when zapp says something to the effect of "what are you? gay?) but i always found those to be more focusing on the fact that Zapp is a gross idiot who doesn't understand he's gross, while i always felt the snu-snu jokes were exclusively about Fry and Zapp.

Gravy Boat said:
There's an entire scene of just Kif when Zach and Fry aren't around. Kif is part of the joke too.

Isn't that precisely the part where he gets rescued tho? More of a moving along the plot moment.

Nappuccino said:
Time passes and Kif's fate is left unclear. There is the suggestion numerous women have entered their chambers before the rescue. Of course, one of the jokes is an Amazonian who does not take no for an answer and literally prods him until he would consent, if not for Amy's intervention. So yeah, a joke in that sequence is laughing at the idea of a woman trying to have nonconsensual sex with a man.

Hmm, im not too sure about this, it always seemed like Kif had been avoiding the first woman, that's how i read the scene at least.

Hagi · Jul 23, 2018

Con_Smith said:
Guys, there is so much pedo stuff in Game of Thrones books. I think George may be fucked soon.

Can't take away his ability to release new books in the series if he doesn't finish them.

Einchy · Jul 23, 2018

Gugi40 said:
I didn't say anything about the video though, I am commenting on the fact that people are defending the joke and questioning just HOW rape is funny and so far no one explained how rape is funny it has been a tantamount of deflection and straw man arguments.

So people having a discussion about this video and you saying:
"so when some dude just goes and thinks the molestation of a child (whether it be a toy or not) is funny it just plays into the whole culture of victim blaming and drop in severity of the crime."

Isn't about the video?

Okay.

Barry Sandwich · Jul 23, 2018

Gugi40 said:
I didn't say anything about the video though, I am commenting on the fact that people are defending the joke and questioning just HOW rape is funny and so far no one explained how rape is funny it has been a tantamount of deflection and straw man arguments.

There are many ways. It's Gallow's humour. Something so unpleasant, depressing or shocking it becomes ridiculous. In this instance it was a parody of Dexter taken to extremely disturbing lengths. I believe the intention was to make an actual moral point about the content of the show.

Also people who find it funny don't have to justify their sense of humour to those without one.

Blue Sky Noise · Jul 23, 2018

deadman322 said:
everyone involved in this should be got!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So good.

AYF 001 · Jul 23, 2018

I'm surprised more people haven't moved to Mastodon

https://mastodon.social/about

Wasn't it promoted as being a screened, no Nazis allowed version of Twitter?

Chumley · Jul 23, 2018

Kongroo said:
Literally every second comment is "wow look at all the people who think rape jokes are funny". At this point, some people are just commited to ignoring the actual conversation being had. I wonder how it feels to be played by Mike Cernovich.

Useful idiots of the alt-right or just straight up alt-right. I have no patience for either. Fuck them.

Commander Quackers · Jul 23, 2018

Bird said:
It's very frustrating. I like to read an entire thread before posting on it, but 6 pages in it had gotten too bad. This is the kind of shit that turned Tumblr from a welcoming place to the toxic shithole it is today.

You're not better than anyone else just because your sense of humor is "higher brow". If you disagree with this, please quote this message so I may add you to the ignore list, cause we will never see eye to eye and would rather save myself the eyestrain.

dude it's a joke about rape

you can't sit here and say fuck anybody who's not 100 on jokes about raping kids

PSqueak · Jul 23, 2018

AYF 001 said:
I'm surprised more people haven't moved to Mastodon

https://mastodon.social/about

Wasn't it promoted as being a screened, no Nazis allowed version of Twitter?

??

I thought it was the opposite?

Wasn't Mastodon basically the Alt-Right response to twitter?

S1lentSymph0ny · Jul 23, 2018

Commander Quackers said:
dude it's a joke about rape

you can't sit here and say fuck anybody who's not 100 on jokes about raping kids

A joke was used to make a point. You can't just come in here and say fuck anyone who's not 100 on using dark comedy to prove a point.

SERIOUSLY.

How many people gonna make themselves out to be fools just so they can post about how they don't think people should makes jokes they don't understand?

TickleMeElbow · Jul 23, 2018

I listen to a lot of comedy podcasts, and "the left taking jokes out of context and being overly outraged" has been a common complaint among many comedians.

Now the alt right is using it to their advantage.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start going after hip hop next, although most rappers and the hip hop community in general aren't exactly known for being the most PC, so who knows how that'll play out.

What a fucking mess lol.

Bran Van · Jul 23, 2018

The Kree said:
Free speech is not under attack, so you have no point here.

Dragging up some outdated comedy that doesn't fit with the current political correctness in order to get comedians, actors and directors fired is not attacking free speech?

Famassu · Jul 23, 2018

Yachty said:
K bro keep going after jokes and the only people wellw have left is people like cernovich lmao. Next it'll be retweeting dark jokes or parody accounts and you're done

1) Jokes aren't above criticism

2) I'd wager a guess it's not the left who are digging up this shit, even if some lefties agree with the criticism towards certain jokes

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