You would think people would see this and question "the country for all the Jews" policy but alas, screw them got mine.
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BBC: Jewish nation state: Israel approves controversial bill
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You offered jack shit.
Before you go, answer this.
If it is not true then why was the government hiding it?
And yeah it is not going like you anticipated because this point of view you have is wrong.
maybe because the idea of "historical claim" is absurd and laughable to most people, specially if it's a claim dating back thousands of years.
your point of view was nothing special, it was basic-ass bigoted stuff most israel-apologists know not to post in places where people are more informed than the average schmuck.
I also love that he knows that others here share his point of view. Of course, with no evidence to back it up.
This is so true. Cherry picked dibs, the go-to fascist defense.
While we're there we should consider resurrecting Pol Pot so he can come out and decry the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge.
I've personally come to the conclusion that there is no solving the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Even if I live to 120, I doubt the situation will change noticeably.
sadly i'm very pessimistic about it too, but if nothing changes i don't believe there will be a israel-palestine issue in 100 years because there will be no palestine left to speak of, or any palestinians living there.
Because it's bullshit. Bye.
The powers that be seem to be content with letting the oppressed simply die out and hope everyone forgets in the long-term like most of the native Americans and so many other native populations that were displaced or murdered by the hands of colonizers.
Probably not no. The first step would be either removing the US from the UN, or waiting centuries for a perception change within the US.
Just a couple of days ago you had a huge protest in the west bank because Israel wanted to remove a village to build a settlement over it. They almost succeeded too but I don't expect Israel to not try again.
The Israeli government has gotten so bold that I fully expect the areas outside the cities to be turned into settlement land in 50 years or so.
the palestinians absolutely don't have centuries to wait. all this situation started 80 years ago. if in the next few decades nothing major gets done there will be one singular state of israel, with no palestinian land recognized in it, and all palestinians either dead or out of the country,
I don't know how to tell you this but all of those people died and decomposed thousands of years ago. You are not them and their things are not yours. Sorry for your loss.
It's funny how Kastriot thinks Jewish people deserve Israel because of historical precedence yet fails to apply this same rationale to the Canaanites. Not to mention the fact that a ton of modern day Palestinians are descendents of Jews who converted to Islam or married into Arab Muslim families.
It's always the same BS. Israel deserves the land cause 1000s of years ago they were there. So basically in 1000s of years from now Palestinians can claim historical grounds and come back!
The logic is really insane and strikingly similar to that employed by the Nazis in their justification of how they treated the Jewish people in Europe.
are you guys seriously trying to argue with that guys childish argument with actual logic?
israel exists only through the goodwill of the rest of the world
they're burning through that goodwill at an alarming rate
the israeli government's current course is doing a lot of damage to the country's long-term existence
they're burning through that goodwill at an alarming rate
the israeli government's current course is doing a lot of damage to the country's long-term existence
me too, but if you actually don't argue with them they get to pass off their bs as facts, and someone may be uninformed and read the discussion and buy what they're selling. so even if it's the 1000th time the same bullshit points are being argued by one of them, it's still worth it to call them out.
That bullshit should be challenged at every turn. The person spouting it will likely never change their views, but if nobody challenges them, some observers might actually believe it.
They very well may be at this point. It's sickening. Nationalism is on the rise all over the place.
I can understand the position that Jewish population bought terrain from British and it's their country because of that and that they choose this specific plot of land because they've got history because of that or whatever.
i can understand that they're the sole one being able to say dibs on it because of that though, it's kinda like if French people were trying to claim the very same land because Baudoin IV ruled the place during the crusades or some shit.
I have a lot of trouble having to parse why we even have to explain why the bill talked about is bad.
i can understand that they're the sole one being able to say dibs on it because of that though, it's kinda like if French people were trying to claim the very same land because Baudoin IV ruled the place during the crusades or some shit.
I have a lot of trouble having to parse why we even have to explain why the bill talked about is bad.
One of my main issues is that this is being admitted to as outright tyranny of the majority.
well, yeah, that's the reason. they don't want israel to be a nation of all its citizens. only the jewish ones.
I mean if you're talking about the zionist position as to why an Israeli state needs to exists, then sure.
I mean I'm saying that there's a rational for that, regardless of its validity.
What I'm having major trouble is the rational behind making Israel a worse place with this law
I was mostly just addressing the quoted reasoning behind this new law in particular. I don't think Likud's reasoning is valid, but at least they appear to have reasoning. I see zero tangible upside for anyone with this law.
Ok so it's really just a huge racist law.
And people didn't like calling Israel an apatheid state!
Yeah I guess I'm still puzzled....
I saw a video on Twitter about American Jewish tourists discussing with their Israeli Tour Guide because they were being given Israel maps without the Gaza Strip or the West Bank. The levels of propaganda and how the Tour Guide was justifying the absence of the Palestinian Territories from the map is shameful. Are people there being brainwashed? Why would they agree on such ethnocentric/nationalist/far-right policies?
everything i see israel do is just to remove the possibility of there ever being any peace talks or there ever being a palestinian state. but they still won't admit to it, and dangle the carrot of "peace talks" to please their western allies, until they've fully wiped out palestine.
the ways they want to erase the possibility of a two state solution:
- the creation of the illegal settlements littered across palestinian lands (see map) is to ensure there is no single piece of land big enough to be considered a separate country
- their insistence that the countries move their embassies from tel aviv to jerusalem (which thankfully only the US has done so far) is so that the idea of jerusalem belonging to palestinians as well gets faded out eventually, and with this bill they officially recognized jerusalem as the "whole and united" capital of the jewish people. there will never be a palestine if it doesn't include jerusalem as well, so that idea is dead now.
the way they want to erase the possibility of a one state solution:
- this bill. by claiming that the state is an exclusively jewish state and everything has to be done in the interest of the jewish population, they ensure that there's never a possibility that the palestinians get citizenship to the state or get integrated into it.
the ways they want to erase the possibility of a two state solution:
- the creation of the illegal settlements littered across palestinian lands (see map) is to ensure there is no single piece of land big enough to be considered a separate country
- their insistence that the countries move their embassies from tel aviv to jerusalem (which thankfully only the US has done so far) is so that the idea of jerusalem belonging to palestinians as well gets faded out eventually, and with this bill they officially recognized jerusalem as the "whole and united" capital of the jewish people. there will never be a palestine if it doesn't include jerusalem as well, so that idea is dead now.
the way they want to erase the possibility of a one state solution:
- this bill. by claiming that the state is an exclusively jewish state and everything has to be done in the interest of the jewish population, they ensure that there's never a possibility that the palestinians get citizenship to the state or get integrated into it.
of course. i'm sure the majority of them aren't evil people, so the only way that otherwise decent people would just sit by and watch a group of people being wiped out and their lands stolen is that they've actually been brainwashed to believe it's the right thing to do. i'm actually super interested to find the history books that they teach israeli children. i want to know what they learn in their schools about the history of the zionist state that when they grow up they find the situation completely normal and justified.
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Surely you jest?
Breaks my heart, but this isn't far form the truth. The Gazans are being economically, socially and physically crushed by virtue of Israels 'valiant' blockade. Their water supply is over 90% undrinkable, and yet these apologist come into this thread with their transparent rhetoric about birthrights and mandates that predate generations upon generations, like it's been ingrained into their thought process since birth. All it takes is a little humanity and logical thinking to see what is happening is plain and simply wrong.
This bill only further cements Israels intentions, like there was any doubt in the first place.
As a Jew, I hate this. I really thought after the 90s we were going to get peace and a two party state.
I have no clue what that government is doing, it feels like they're not "really" looking ahead.
I have no clue what that government is doing, it feels like they're not "really" looking ahead.
They're looking ahead to the complete annexation of the West Bank and Gaza.
and the golan heights. netanyahu was putting pressure on the US to be the first foreign nation to recognize the golan heights as part of israel. trump will probably do it in the next couple of years.
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good read. i have never had any doubt that was their ultimate goal, a single jewish state including the west bank, gaza and golan heights. i wouldn't even be surprised if once they reach that goal they use the fake excuse of aggression from the neighbor countries to start some wars and take some lands from them to make their state bigger.
there is one bright spot and that's the international community's refusal to recognize these lands as israeli lands, and their continued belief in the right of palestinian people to a state. even if these are symbolic, the fact that israel hasn't been able to convince other nations to take part in their re-writing of history is a good sign, that if they ever get so bold to just take all palestinian lands and annex them they won't be met with silence.
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I mean it's in the Torah that the Jews are supposed to treat their residents (including non Jews) better. But I guarantee if you tried to tell Bibi that he'd just plug his ears with his fingers and hum.
It's a sad time for the Israeli government.
It's a sad time for anyone with a shred of humanity. I'm sure the majority of the Israeli government is ecstatic.
lmao, now that's a fantasy, they actually want to become iran's neighbor?
