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OT | Octopath Traveler | Octopus Thread [Now on Steam!]
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oh but damn this is good too! Guess I'll do some shuffling around and see what feels right
Pumping a Warrior's crit and accuracy makes Thousand Spears absolutely ridiculous. Olberic is doing insane damage with it and God forbid the enemy is vulnerable to it.
Why is everytime some game does well its lack of rpgs and good adbertising? There is a thread full of people in love with the game. How is this your take away?
That's too bad. I guess the H'annit/Ophelia stuff is ok but it's always been a lot safer to portray a lesbian relationship in any kind of media than a gay relationship. When will Japan finally get over their weird homophobia?
Mine too, even if it's non canon :-/
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They're good to sell. Sidequest items usually have more detailed item descriptions.
I don't think they ever intended them to be gay. It just came across that way to just about everyone. Who knows if the Japanese script even has those vibes?
Speaking of these items, are the $1 items like the bone and dusty old claptrap or whatever it's called for selling too? Are they just joke items?
It's strange how Japanese companies try to cater to their gay audiences with alternate costumes (Square w/ shirtless Gladio in FFXV, Capcom w/ leather Chris in RE5) but showing anything beyond subtext, let alone overt homosexuality, within the actual narrative is still not commonplace.
Question, does the SE comes with a sealed copy inside? I accidentaly ordered a normal copy the day of release and the wayfarer's edition is coming today. I may sell the copy that comes with the WE if it's sealed.
This town > dungeon > boss thing is starting to get a little grating. Is there any point in the game where something interesting happens that is not finding some evil dude in every town then dungeon and killing him? It's incredibly repetitive.
I just beat up an old woman who was blocking her husband in because she didn't like that he went out to the bar every night, and then for good measure seduced the husband with Primrose so now he's following her around all over town.
I feel like I'm a bad person.
I feel like I'm a bad person.
I really wasn't expecting all of this (especially since I am not the one who critized in-depths the game, as I was merely reacting to 鬼作.'s post). Critiques of the game target quite often the story structure, and judging by 鬼作.'s post it does seem to be something that could disappoint (especially when they mention that Romancing SaGa does it better). Reading that the game follows a very repetitive pattern (something which is echoed in a post right above mine) with what seems to be uninspired dungeons without much design left me a little disappointed.
I am not going to list every 鬼作.'s argument, but if they are mistaken, please, correct them.
I will retract my previous "lack of RPG" argument, as it seems to be considered inflammatory, and I don't want the discussion to revolve around that.
That's why it works so well. Many ways to do stuff but with tiny differences.
I just finished my rogue playthrough.
All noble characters are level 6 lol, but I'm looking forward to what I can do on their way to create new strategies.
I neve had to grind and since I've yet to do some side quests/areas I know I won't have to grind for them either. I'll throw a few bewildering for some bonus and that's it.
Never killed a cait either. They always flew from the battle.
Olberic's chapter 2 seems like the most varied so far considering its a tournament with multiple mini bosses in a row.
But yeah the structure could use variety. Maybe having to travel to a nearby town or needing multiple skills.
I feel like they did this just to encourage shorter play sessions but this is the same system with xenoblade 2 on it.
It can be repetitive so I've been exploring a bit around world. My one gripe is I wish you could turn off encounters in areas where you're well above the danger level. Like if your characters are 5 levels above you should be provoked. Xenoblade is like that
I don't think I have ever disagreed so hard with any post on GamingEra, but I'll respect it. One person's great experience can be another's not great experience and vice versa.
I've played this game for like 20 hours and almost nothing interesting has happened. Battle system is fun, at least.
Finished the rogue path.
Cyrus was definitely the highlight and Primrose a pain to follow. H'aanit was good overall, Therion was inconsistent but I liked some parts.
Now onto the 4 lvl 6 nobles lol.
- They're short
- They look amazing
- The way to some chests is fun to find and isn't just path left or right.
How many (J?)RPG have at least that ?
Also if needed, there are 2 VERY EASY to get passives that can reduce the rate of battles and make fleeing fight secure.
You (in general, not you you : p) can't really blame the story structure for this "repetition", it's just a new type of narration. What can be criticised however is the writing/coherency of some parts.
And even that seems to be felt differently from people to people.
Overall it's a pretty enjoyable game with a much better balance than lots of other RPG. It gives a very much appreciated freedom we barely see in old school type/turn based RPG.
Cyrus was definitely the highlight and Primrose a pain to follow. H'aanit was good overall, Therion was inconsistent but I liked some parts.
Now onto the 4 lvl 6 nobles lol.
The "simple dungeons actually have at least 2 or 3 things on the top of my head making them more interesting than say... most Tokyo RPG Factory games dungeons :
- They're short
- They look amazing
- The way to some chests is fun to find and isn't just path left or right.
How many (J?)RPG have at least that ?
Also if needed, there are 2 VERY EASY to get passives that can reduce the rate of battles and make fleeing fight secure.
You (in general, not you you : p) can't really blame the story structure for this "repetition", it's just a new type of narration. What can be criticised however is the writing/coherency of some parts.
And even that seems to be felt differently from people to people.
Overall it's a pretty enjoyable game with a much better balance than lots of other RPG. It gives a very much appreciated freedom we barely see in old school type/turn based RPG.
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Olberic chapter 2 is the best... Is there something like this in chapters 3 and 4?
Another thing... Should I leave the sidequest until the endgame? Or is better to do all of them as soon as posible?
Game is great. I think I'll put more than 80hs in this.
Another thing... Should I leave the sidequest until the endgame? Or is better to do all of them as soon as posible?
Game is great. I think I'll put more than 80hs in this.
Sure, short stories can be good. Often they are good because they are short, they make up for the fact that they can't be going all out some way or the other. But with this game less is actually less. The stories being short is not used as a means to tell something more profound. Like, tastes differ and all, but I really feel that it would be very hard to argue that the stories as presented in Octopath are significantly more poignant or interesting than your average JRPG stuff. I doubt anyone finishes Tressa's story and goes, "wow, what a riveting tale!". I've seen better side quests in "Tales of" -games and Shadow Hearts.
I'm arguing that if the stories on their own are short and uninteresting (they are), at least an effort should have been made to put them together into something that can be seen as more than a sum of its parts. Because otherwise you end up with this 60 hour game that makes the player go "that's it?" 8 times in a row. There's no pay-off.
If you can't do that, go all out with the games' systems. Make the world crazy reactive and replayable as fuck. Have 8 shitty, short and forgettable stories by all means, but make them interact and intertwine in interesting, unpredictable ways. But that's not happening either. What Octopath Traveler is, is 8 rather unremarkable short stories. Nothing more and very often less. I also don't understand how dungeons being short is supposed to be an excuse for why they are so bad.
If you're feeling lucky, Bewildering Grace, if not it's hoping for a Cait to appear. And if you're super lucky with balls of steel, it's using Bewildering Grace while fighting a Cait. ^^
I think the point is that people don't mind in depth criticism of the game because it does have flaws, but someone quoting that, admittedly not actually playing the game, and then blaming the popularity on it being on Switch will garner some responses. Real criticism is fine.
I've heard that the Level 58 forest dungeon near Wispermill is great for leveling, as well. With the accessory and Warmaster skill that increases EXP growth, grinding there won't be too bad, I hope.
Yep.
If they do a sequel can they please drop the idea of needing a character just to open chests?
Feels like some field skill bullshit and i have to run to town and switch to therion everytime i see a purple chest. They usually have very useful equipment too that gold chests never have.
Feels like some field skill bullshit and i have to run to town and switch to therion everytime i see a purple chest. They usually have very useful equipment too that gold chests never have.
Finished all 8 character stories. Fantastic stuff.
Perhaps there should be an Octopath spoiler thread?
I absolutely love how all their stories have come together with Lyblac being behind everything that's happened so far. Great pay-off! Just got wiped by the big bad, so I need to grind out some of my neglected crew. Having to go through the final dungeon all over again hurts. XD
Perhaps there should be an Octopath spoiler thread?
At the very least, they should have let anyone with the theif sub job open them as well. It hasn't bothered me too much cause Theiron is typically in my party but I have seen it a few times.
Okay, that is just too damn awesome for Tressa. Went to buy a 74K staff before starting chapter 2, said sure why not. Tressa gets an 18K discount for "haggling". I guess using her as one of my mains is really starting to pay off. Staff was totally worth it too, because I can run around with two scholars, and level up low people in very, very little time.
Yes, however the sealed copy has a "Not for Resell" logo on the back, so the backcover is a bit different.
Anyway, i am now prepping my party for the final boss.
The fondest memories I have of the 16 bit JRPG era are the story setpieces: Hitching a ride with the Runaway Five in Earthbound, forging the Masamune in Chrono Trigger and using it to open Magus's lair, the opera sequence (honestly pretty much every sequence) in FFVI, those are the things that stay with you long after the game is over. Octopath has none of that. In that regard, it reminds me of Final Fantasy V: A game with a great battle and job system that I never thought about again once I beat it.
Sure, Octopath has awesome mechanics and pretty graphics and a fantastic soundtrack, and I'm having a great time with it. But once I beat the game I won't ever think about it again. That's just me.
Sure, Octopath has awesome mechanics and pretty graphics and a fantastic soundtrack, and I'm having a great time with it. But once I beat the game I won't ever think about it again. That's just me.
I'm enjoying a lot the short chapter format, even if I agree that the structure is really repetitive. It makes Octopath a good game to play for 1-2 hours and advance through the plot. Lots of JRPGs have long cutscenes and chapters and sometimes you need to play for 5+ hours to feel like you're advancing in the plot, and OT presents a nice alternative IMO.
I hope that SE gives more budget to the OT/BD team next time, and they can deliver a game with more gameplay variety and more setpieces.
I hope that SE gives more budget to the OT/BD team next time, and they can deliver a game with more gameplay variety and more setpieces.
So many people seem to feel burned by the lack of a traditional JRPG throughline and while I understand where that's coming from, I also have to ask "why do you want every JRPG to have that story structure?"
The vast overwhelming majority of JRPGs of this style are structured as a group of young adults who group up to save the world. Octopath is 8 short stories about each characters intensely personal quests that don't really have anything to do with a bigger picture.
Which is rad in its uniqueness alone. Could the concept use some smoothing out? Sure. Nothing's perfect, but this game gave us something JRPGs typically don't: grounded stories in a world that feels real. Scrutinize/Inquire are better world building tools than they have any right to be.
There's also something to be said of brevity, honestly. Especially in a genre known for 80+ hour games. And while Octopath might hit that for completionists, you can get a handful of satisfying and personal stories knocked out in around 20 hours.
While I'm ranting there's also more to effective storytelling and character building than the plot. The way character specific music swells in cutscenes and segues into the boss battle music is choice as hell. The way bosses have buffs that have unique quotes is also very good. I also like how some of the cutscenes end with the boss running directly at you to initiate the battle. I mentioned imquire/scrutinize before but they really are extremely effective tools. So many of the NPCs having incredibly mundane, but very human backstories makes for a more immersive world, if you choose to stop and smell the roses.
To the point about it being hard for you to believe these characters are traveling together, I think about what the first Etrian Odyssey's director said about using imagination a lot...
It's really not all that hard for me to come up with my own reasons these characters are friends, given how much of each characters personality you get from their stories. They even give you the travel banter as a jumping off point for how they interact.
I think this game is probably gonna age pretty well. I look forward to the LTTP threads over the course of the next few years.
The vast overwhelming majority of JRPGs of this style are structured as a group of young adults who group up to save the world. Octopath is 8 short stories about each characters intensely personal quests that don't really have anything to do with a bigger picture.
Which is rad in its uniqueness alone. Could the concept use some smoothing out? Sure. Nothing's perfect, but this game gave us something JRPGs typically don't: grounded stories in a world that feels real. Scrutinize/Inquire are better world building tools than they have any right to be.
There's also something to be said of brevity, honestly. Especially in a genre known for 80+ hour games. And while Octopath might hit that for completionists, you can get a handful of satisfying and personal stories knocked out in around 20 hours.
While I'm ranting there's also more to effective storytelling and character building than the plot. The way character specific music swells in cutscenes and segues into the boss battle music is choice as hell. The way bosses have buffs that have unique quotes is also very good. I also like how some of the cutscenes end with the boss running directly at you to initiate the battle. I mentioned imquire/scrutinize before but they really are extremely effective tools. So many of the NPCs having incredibly mundane, but very human backstories makes for a more immersive world, if you choose to stop and smell the roses.
To the point about it being hard for you to believe these characters are traveling together, I think about what the first Etrian Odyssey's director said about using imagination a lot...
It's really not all that hard for me to come up with my own reasons these characters are friends, given how much of each characters personality you get from their stories. They even give you the travel banter as a jumping off point for how they interact.
I think this game is probably gonna age pretty well. I look forward to the LTTP threads over the course of the next few years.
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I made one here but unfortunately it's not getting much traffic, as expected to be honest. Most people are not in a position yet to talk about the game as a whole with no concern about spoiler tagging.
He doesn't if you don't make him, you terrible person! :p
I'll go one step further and say that I think this game has the potential to be a real turning-point and landmark in how JRPG narratives are structured. I really hope it proves influential moving forward.
So I've beaten Chapter 1 with all characters and Chapter 2 with Primrose and still no sign of a secondary job... have I missed them? Do they show up later? Or what up
Search for the shrines (They look like three pillars on the map). You can find them near or on the road to their chapter 2 towns/locations.
Does anyone else use inquire to justify stealing to themselves lmao
Like this woman outside the church in Goldshore has a nice staff, but inquire says that she's a great person who treats everyone with respect. So I was like fuck, fine I'll buy it with Tressa instead.
A woman in noblecourt who's shrewd and only cares about getting more money, though? Say goodbye to your stuff lady, it's mine now.
Like this woman outside the church in Goldshore has a nice staff, but inquire says that she's a great person who treats everyone with respect. So I was like fuck, fine I'll buy it with Tressa instead.
A woman in noblecourt who's shrewd and only cares about getting more money, though? Say goodbye to your stuff lady, it's mine now.
Looking at my characters' stats from the menu, my Cyrus has a base elemental attack of about 680 or so. With his staff and bow though, it's a blue 999. Have I hit his damage cap, or is there room to make up with his base stats and magic nuts? I don't want to waste them if he's already as powerful as he's going to get.
So I was doing Therion Chapter 2 and since I am a bit overleveled I decided to also do Primrose Chapter 3 and I... I...
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Her interactions with Olberic about his definition of Honor was so sweet and her convo with Alfyn in which he confirmed my head canon about him being the one that patch them while on the road was T_T
Like, I cant bring myself to steal that really item from an NPC because the Inquire/Scrutinize dialogue says that he helps orphans in his free time.
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Her interactions with Olberic about his definition of Honor was so sweet and her convo with Alfyn in which he confirmed my head canon about him being the one that patch them while on the road was T_T
I do that =3
Like, I cant bring myself to steal that really item from an NPC because the Inquire/Scrutinize dialogue says that he helps orphans in his free time.