There isn't a statute of limitations on this, one should be able to demonstrate or explain to satisfaction that they've changed or understand their error.
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Calls for boycott as racist Trevor Noah clip resurfaces
- Thread starter 30yearsofhurt
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There isn't a statute of limitations on this, one should be able to demonstrate or explain to satisfaction that they've changed or understand their error.
He made the joke, he went out of his way to try to get an understanding of Aboriginal history, he hasn't done it again. Trevor Noah is not the enemy, I can't fault anyone deeply effected by his comments that wouldn't want to forgive him but there will also be a lot of opportunists and JAQ-offs using this against him and to discredit the left overall.
Yeah I️ saw that bit. Just musing the thought of the alt right having a role resurfacing it. Might just be paranoia on my end though. The timing with the Gunn thing is just so close.
Context is everything, he's gone on to explain that he see's the idea they are "only french" as racist itself, as the players are of African descent and that is not recognized as much as they are that they are french. As a black man in the western world, you are accepted as "one of us" when you do something right, and "one of them" when you do something wrong.
For an alt-right person to try to try to point out they are african, it would be to disinclined or dismiss them as citizens of that country, not to point out that their blackness or africanness is to be celebrated too.
I'm confident that if Trevor Noah was an Australian citizen he would not vote to disenfranchise Aboriginal people or cut them off from social services or any such thing. He wouldn't vote to forcefully segregate them from people of other races and ethnic origins. As a comedian, Noah is going to say things that people are going to hate, which is a fact that has prompted other high-profile comedians to require a no-cellphone policy at their shows to prevent recordings from leaking to the web and causing controversy. Noah's joke was stupid, but if what he said is everything that is written in the OP, I find it pretty tame. The reason I brought up my thoughts about what I think Trevor Noah would do is because there is a resurgence of people who argue that liberals are just as racist (if not more) as conservatives and "boom! Here is the proof." It's not true. Come back to me when Trevor Noah says that we should separate people by race or ban people of particular racial or ethnic origins from entering our country. These "race realists" are muddying the waters to justify their beliefs. They hate being called racists. They want society to be more accepting of their racism. They think the junk science that they're pushing is legitimate. So one of their missions is to find famous liberal people who are outspoken against racism and try to bring them down to their level. With James Gunn, I wasn't really upset that he got brought down because I thought, "Hey, you're not a comedian and Twitter isn't the appropriate place for that kind of humor. It's something you would say in a comedy club and if you did it there, I'd be okay with it." But now the race realists are looking to bring down people even when they say things in jest. They're going to try to go after Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, and everyone else who has ever said anything negative about conservatives.
God dammit. Does no one remember how different 2013 was socially?
As things are brought to light we grow in empathy, apologize for past action and change.
As things are brought to light we grow in empathy, apologize for past action and change.
No one's saying that things are perfect in practice, there's no doubt that there's racism in football. However, that doesn't mean that these kinds of jokes should be acceptable or that it's acceptable to disregard the wishes of the French players. Besides, black player in other countries might have different experiences than the black French players.
And keep in mind that Giroud is currently the butt of all jokes despite being white.
I'm not seeing anything racist?
To say don't judge all people of a race by just the ones you've personally met is to basically say don't be racist.
Am I missing something?
To say don't judge all people of a race by just the ones you've personally met is to basically say don't be racist.
Am I missing something?
Then stop participating in said cannibalization and/or stop giving a fuck about what 4chan and The Donald do or say.
Australians boycotting someone over Aboriginal jokes..............?
Do Australians even care about Aboriginal people in the first place? I mean, I suppose yes there will be some who care, but by large I thought Australians, especially their government, just don't give a fuck about Aboriginal people. Seeing her asking Australians boycotting someone over a perceived mistreatment of Aborigins is..... funny to see, for me.
remember this is australia where every five or six months some fucking dumbshits think it's a good idea to do blackface for whatever reason
Why? It would be ignoring an important sector of the political environment as sad as that sounds for America.
Thernovith isn't the only alt-righter out there causing shit.
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Which is why it's funny that she actually asked Australians to boycott over this. It's like....... asking for Trump supporters to boycott him for saying racist things about a minority. Most of them just don't give a fuck about the plight of Aborigins at all.
This is what they started by giving into alt right trolls without doing any research. Sickening.
i wouldn't go that far, but it's very much in disputed territory right now
also it's indigenous persons
It makes me wonder. I'm not talking about whether the joke is racist or not but I'm talking about someone's personal growth and whether people should be held accountable for what they've done and said in the past. Granted, if it's something like killing someone or raping someone that shit is a no no on all accounts but other stuff is where the lies get blurred. Like, I'm wondering how things will be say a decade from now and how things will change what will be considered bad that some do today. Who knows.
Either way, Trevor's probably gonna address this tomorrow on his show. I wonder what he's gonna say.
Yeah, like some stuff I can see an outrage for but these days it feels like people won't let others grow these days. I don't even know how things will be 5 years from now.
Yup. I'm glad that he's at least reflected upon the joke. I believe him when he says that he'll no longer utilize the joke again.
This is a lame take. People can care about multiple things at once.
People should absolutely be allowed to grow. I believe Trevor Noah has realized that the joke was lame and I absolutely believe that he's a different person than he was when he made that joke in the past.
On the topic of accepting those who claim to have grown and changed from past behavior, I just hope that everyone who has this stance on Noah is at least consistent when applying this stance to others.
Why to both questions?
First being stop participating in the cannibalization of the center/left would, I hope, be self-evident. As far as the other, never said anything about ignoring it, just stop giving any fucks about what they say or think.
I'm surprised at some people thinking those comments were not that bad, or even not racist. It can't be a cultural thing, surely? Like, if you're not Australian you won't see the problem. Surely not. They're pretty shocking.
It's fair to criticise him for this, and it's good to see he's made an apology and promised to not do it again. However, I'm also disturbed at the way the alt-right is weaponising this kind of thing as such a successful attack against their perceived enemies. There's a balance between giving someone who has been foolish a chance to learn and destroying someone who clearly refuses to learn. We shouldn't be goaded by the deplorables into treating the former as the latter, especially with 5 year old comments.
It's fair to criticise him for this, and it's good to see he's made an apology and promised to not do it again. However, I'm also disturbed at the way the alt-right is weaponising this kind of thing as such a successful attack against their perceived enemies. There's a balance between giving someone who has been foolish a chance to learn and destroying someone who clearly refuses to learn. We shouldn't be goaded by the deplorables into treating the former as the latter, especially with 5 year old comments.
I think it's more interesting watching people fall for it over and over again.
Bill Burr is about as out of touch as it gets lol. Joke policing, or whatever you want to call it, isn't even a new thing at allm
It's even funnier that people spread this narrative without it actually happening
Ol Billy Redface has become a ranting lunatic but if this is the social media landscape going further, let me off this trainnn
It's not like the alt-right needs to do the hard work all alone, I'll give you that. Like an auto-immune-disease, the left does help doing the digging of old stuff.
I'm not sure how I'm participating in it anymore than you.
Second, I live in America, I have to give fucks about what they think because of their over-large influence on the mindset of the population. It would be stupid to not care.
I'm pretty far left, and...so am I. I knew we always had the potential for this, but no one seems to want to care to pull out of the spiral, just dig deeper.
Exactly. If "Aboriginal" was changed to black/Latino/Asian or something else, I think the reaction from non-Australians would be a bit different.
Absolutely agreed. I think the healthy response to something like this is acknowledge how bad the joke was and how racist the joke was, but obviously weigh the rest of Noah's actions and words over the past several years against this old joke. He's someone who comes off as largely progressive, so when he admits that he fucked up and has learned from it, I'm inclined to believe it.
The unhealthy response is just to minimize people who are genuinely offended by what he said or just driveby with a "The joke isn't that bad" kind of response or "If we criticize Noah then the alt-right wins" kind of take.
What infights? The guy referenced in the OP - Joe Williams - is an Indigenous Australian. Is he being insincere with his feelings regarding the joke? Some people in here don't even want to acknowledge Noah's original joke - something he himself has gone on to do. His Twitter response was a smart and empathetic one.
I often find Bill Burr hilarious, but yeah. One person's definition of joke policing is another person's definition of calling out bad jokes. Often, if a joke isn't about us we tend to think of it less critically.
The alt right is doing the equivalent of what people on here and old GAF used to do by going through someone's post history to instantly discredit them. Divide and conquer.
The combination of liberal purity tests and desire for perfect allies is making us eat our own at an increasingly fast pace. The end result could very well be famous and powerful liberals retreating entirely from political commentary. The void will be filled with more righties who don't care who they offend because their party has their backs no matter what.
Very interesting timed ahead.
The combination of liberal purity tests and desire for perfect allies is making us eat our own at an increasingly fast pace. The end result could very well be famous and powerful liberals retreating entirely from political commentary. The void will be filled with more righties who don't care who they offend because their party has their backs no matter what.
Very interesting timed ahead.
Wow this witch hunt is really scraping the bottom of the barrel now eh?
Hilarious that the alt-right was all like, "c'mon it's just jokes" until they realized that they could strong-arm amoral media corporations into firing people.
Hilarious that the alt-right was all like, "c'mon it's just jokes" until they realized that they could strong-arm amoral media corporations into firing people.
Where did that happen? Like is this dude even really a leftist? I've never heard of him before.
I'm sure I'm not, because I'm trying to actively fight this narrative.
I live in America, too, so that's irrelevant. But it's only stupid if you want to get bent out of shape and play into what they want. It's your choice.
Of course that guy can feel offended, it was a bad joke. But in the last few days, everything keeps getting blown up, and that's unhealthy.
The Gunn campaign was right-wing, not left. Direct that there not towards 'in-fighting' that barely exists.
This is offensive and untrue.
Dr Heiss is a respected member of the Wiradjuri nation so I trust her opinion.
Seriously people, it's in the OP.
