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300K + sign petition for Disney to rehire James Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
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Hint: Sanjuro isn't saying she should be fired. It's okay to have said trashy jokes in the past.
That's true. Although I'd imagine there would have been some frustration from the whole thing that might make him think about it even if he wants to come back.
With that said, I do want him to come back to finish his trilogy.
Full disclosure I am the dreaded Libertarian that Era despises. Socially liberal (pro gay rights/marriage, racial equality, drug legalization) and fiscally conservative (low taxes, pro gun, pro military).
I signed the petition early on and think redemption is a virtue.
Here is what I think most are upset about and it's not the movie. How does the left plan to win elections when an apologetic and redeemed ally of the left gets treated like this? It is a microcosm of the current political world we live in. The Right literally elected a President that said grab them by the pussy and had affairs and a ton of other horrible shit but their agenda is more important than the man. The left will eat their own. They will disavow those that aren't perfect (I don't want to use Putiry or Virtue test) or dont have pasts that align with their terms and conditions.
That is not a fair fight. He didn't hide or run from his past. He evolved and apologized. He fought the lefts fight. He supported movements and his movies showed that same growth. The world is messy and so are people. There is Grey in the world. This attitude is what should make the Left very scared about their political climate. The alt right can do this because the left allows it.
I signed the petition early on and think redemption is a virtue.
Here is what I think most are upset about and it's not the movie. How does the left plan to win elections when an apologetic and redeemed ally of the left gets treated like this? It is a microcosm of the current political world we live in. The Right literally elected a President that said grab them by the pussy and had affairs and a ton of other horrible shit but their agenda is more important than the man. The left will eat their own. They will disavow those that aren't perfect (I don't want to use Putiry or Virtue test) or dont have pasts that align with their terms and conditions.
That is not a fair fight. He didn't hide or run from his past. He evolved and apologized. He fought the lefts fight. He supported movements and his movies showed that same growth. The world is messy and so are people. There is Grey in the world. This attitude is what should make the Left very scared about their political climate. The alt right can do this because the left allows it.
Come on man, you know what people mean when they say facts just came out, let's not play that naive game. I don't doubt Disney knew but again, they have a rep. Further, using RDJ, his problems were personal in the sense he wasn't bringing up kids/rape/pedo. And IIRC didn't Iron Man begin PP before Disney bought Marvel? Doesn't really matter just a thought. People can definitely change and I don't think he should be lynched but it's just not a good look for Disney, a company catering to kids, even more so nowadays than in the past.
I thought they cut ties with James Woods a while ago and the only thing he does is KH which is more on SEs plate? I don't think any of those peoples transgressions were kid/rape/pedo related either, sadly not that it makes it any better, but I get why Disney went about this like this, Do I agree? Eh, do I understand, yep. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. And I think the others should be shitcanned to as any form of abuse is fucked. This is lesser in comparison since he's just talking but again, Disney = Kids, thats just the way the cookie crumbles.
You're very ill informed on Silverman. She's joked about everything. And she's in Wreck it Ralph 2 soon. Disney is being a bunch of hypocrites with bullshit reasoning.
Nothing Gunn did was a crime. Nothing Silverman and Bobcat did were either. But if we suddenly start criminalizing jokes? Half of Hollywood would be gone.
KH is actually on Disney's turf as far as voice acting goes. Also, Disney never officially cut ties with Woods. The only person who has officially on the record cut ties with woods is his agent.
Quick reminder: While it is possible for people to grow and change and ask forgiveness, that does not mean that everyone is required to forgive. The role of hate groups in this incident should not be overlooked, but simply feeling that Gunn's tweets were unforgivable does not make someone a member or sympathizer of said groups.
Thank you. Its a ridiculous oversimplification of people issue with Gunn.
I think everyone should probably take a deep breath. Those that feel Gunn cannot be forgiven have every right to take that hardline stance. I'm sure they're all actively petitioning for every comedian that has ever made a dark joke to no longer get work as well. I'm sure they bring consistency to the table in their approach since they're so stringent with their morals.
I don't mind if people don't forgive Gunn for his jokes, but I hope they show consistency and take a look at every comedian who was in The Aristocrats and also espouse for them to all get fired as well. The list was posted above.
By the same token maybe people could stop insinuating that Gunn is a closeted pedo or that anyone who sympathizes with him is just a fanboy who loves "kiddie movies"
Does this strictly apply to posters on this forum, or does it apply to tweets/social media posts/etc?
Also, while I'm asking questions, is this part of a larger initiative to prevent accusations of being alt-right, or does this just apply to the Gunn affair?
I appreciate the clarification!
Oh. The liberal comedians on that list will probably get fired. Paul Joseph Watson has already started the harassment campaign on Sarah Silverman for her joke about pedophilia on Twitter. Larry Miller will probably fine cause he won't be the target of an alt-right campaign designed to weaponize social media outrage.
I can't recall anything of the top of my head similar from Silverman aside from the above, which i think is also fucked. Further, has she done anything similar on a highly visible platform in this new "age"? I know, it sounds dumb to me too but people have to adjust to the new lay of the land that is the present. Disney is different from even 5 years ago, they don't want this look, that's really the end of it.
That's completely fucked. IIRC it's SE that can veto cast.
As far as enforcement is concerned, it's about not assuming the worst of your fellow members.
We have made no policy statements on other topics.
User banned (1 week): Linking to a website associated with the alt-right as a source
mod edit: removed link
All these are fucked and I wouldn't have any qualms if they were treated the same as this incident.
All these are fucked and I wouldn't have any qualms if they were treated the same as this incident.
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Pedophilia jokes are never okay based on past experiences with me personally. I hope he never lands another directorial movie. It upsets me theres even this change.com petition. But i guess there's a defense force for everything.
Nope Disney's contracts are iron-clad. The voice actors have rights of first refusal recording their roles unless said actors contract is nullified by Disney themselves. That is, unless Disney buys outs Woods, Disney could get sued if Woods is refused the role when he wants it.
Not forgiving Gunn for allot of people goes deeper than its just a joke sentiment. You cant be 1 dimensional in these situations
God I wonder what source might be digging up all these old tweets by outspoken liberal leaning figures. Hmmmm.
Wait, sorry, you're linking to an article that's praising Cernovich unironically?
And then it asks if a Congressional investigation should be launched into all of these actors.
Really?
Wait, sorry, you're linking to an article that's praising Cernovich unironically?
And then it asks if a Congressional investigation should be launched into all of these actors.
Really?
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I for one will never be ashamed to be a 'defense force' for something as simple and fundamental as the idea that a person can change and become better and that we have a responsibility as a society to encourage that.
It all comes down to not caring what a person does to change, or at the very least not believing that years of changed behavior excuses offensive tweets.
Thanks, was primarily wondering about labeling Twitter accounts as alt-right.
I appreciate the quick response!
For virtually ever joke ever told there's likely a person out there that could be offended by it due to their own personal experience. How do you think this should be resolved? If you feel the courtesy on what's okay to be joked about should extend to you then I'm sure you think the same courtesy should be extended to everyone else.
It's not an issue of what it's okay to joke about, the tweets are reprehensible. What matters is what he did in the 10 years after making them.
What the heck kind of site is this?
Like, there's an article saying that the transgender superhero in Supergirl is a ratings ploy and edgy desperation, another talking about how much the internet hates She-Ra because she looks too mannish, and another that is in praise of a comic book campaign targeting a woman (including a shoutout to a tweet that "succinctly" puts it by complain against Anita Sarkeesian)
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I'm not gonna assume they're alt-right but it's clear to me that they're willingly being played for fools by the alt-right. They're both helping out horrible human beings while encapsulating the worst expects of the left, the ones that expect lifetime wide purity tests and who derive nothing but pleasure from seeing a person fired for things they did a decade ago. Who want nothing but to say show how high their horse is even if it means stepping over allies.
It's only an obvious flaw to assume Disney is moronic and incompetent enough to not know to check his social media. You aren't fooling anyone.
Everything is relative - unless you're arguing the tweets weren't jokes which is another matter entirely. If you feel they were jokes then what is okay to one person may not be okay to another. If we want to start policing comedy based on whether it fits with every single person's sensibilities then we may as well just end comedy overall. My main issue with this whole outcry is the lack of consistency. If you feel an offensive joke is worthy of being derided then that net you're about to cast can reach far, far wider than this topic. Even mundane topics could cause someone to be offended.
The article linked is acting like Cernovich is some kind of a hero for unearthing this Hollywood pedophile ring, so I think we know what kind of site it is.
The type of site that pretty much describes the mind set of the person linking it.
Are you unironically posting a site that's blatantly pro-comicsgate?
Wtf
Like, this is legit being posted as a question on the site:
"Do you think a criminal investigation should be opened into James Gunn to determine the veracity of the accusations being made against him?"
"journalists like Jack Posobiec"
Who is that, you ask?
From Wikipedia:
"John Michael Posobiec III (/pəˈsoʊbɪk/ pə-SOH-bik; born 1985) is an American alt-right[1][2][3] internet troll[4] and conspiracy theorist[5] known primarily for his controversial and pro-Donald Trump comments on Twitter. He has promoted fake news, including the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory that high-ranking Democratic Party officials were involved in a child sex ring.[6] He has been retweeted by Donald Trump.[7] He works for the pro-Trump channel One America News Network.[8]"
Edit: An article about a woman getting beaten at comiccon and someone stopping in to help as this:
"It definitely appears the situation is more complicated than you might originally think. It looks like both the woman and the man were in the wrong as the woman was throwing objects at the man, and he in turn was kicking her."
Another article angry someone was called a white supremacist "without any proof!"
Another article about how Apu is totally ok. I could go on, but I'm going to stop now since the link was removed and this has been dealt with.
EDIT: I LIED ONE MORE FOR THE ROAD
Article about how unfair it is for Ubisoft for banning players for "toxicity", which is actually because they were using the n-word in the chat. Cool site that got posted.
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Friendly reminder Mike Cernovich was charged with rape in 2003 and supported Roy Moore. Edit: And he's said shit like this:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mike_Cernovich#Sex_and_rape
These attacks aren't about morality, they're political. Twitter is a depressing cesspool these days.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mike_Cernovich#Sex_and_rape
These attacks aren't about morality, they're political. Twitter is a depressing cesspool these days.
Man, they were really active in that thread before dropping that link. Weird how they just up and vanished now.
I guess it is a little hard to defend.
It's either "I agree with the thing I linked" or "I didn't bother to read the thing I linked."
Yeah. As a ploy it was transparent enough to be used as a window.
Jokes can hurt people, and it's pretty easy to see why that kind of joke in particular could hurt people. They're offensive and wrong, something Gunn himself realized. I think he managed to make up for the harm he caused however, and I don't like the idea that a person should be forever held accountable for a joke, even a harmful one.