It's all of that.
Republicans/Conservatives have a multipronged strategy to reach a main goal: that Blacks/minorities don't vote. By whatever means.
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The Atlantic: "The Democratic Party Apologizes to Black Voters"
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It's all of that.
Republicans/Conservatives have a multipronged strategy to reach a main goal: that Blacks/minorities don't vote. By whatever means.
Peak worthless white middle class liberalism is blaming black people for not voting but also doing jack shit to fight racist voter laws and doing jack shit about voter suppression. Doing those two things would mean a million times more than trashy pandering about what hotsauce Hilary uses.
Agreed 100% prison reform needs to be a focus of Dems (republicans are trying to claim this as their own). Education funding for minority areas. Drug legalization. Police brutality and firmly defunding police departments that have a history of police brutality. Etc.
I hope you enjoy the republican majority this attitude will ensure stays in power.
I mean, the shit that Trump is now reversing in the civil rights divisions of the Justice Department and the shit he's trying to push through as judicial nominees should easily demonstrate that the situation is a lot more nuanced than 'Democrats are trash, they don't do anything.'
For all the 'nothing' the democrats have supposedly done for the term prior to 2016, Trump sure has found a lot to try and reverse.
Of course, what does this lead to? Losing midterms, complete control given to Republicans, and Donald Trump.
There is progress there. There can be a lot more. Democratic party has absolutely taken black/minority votes for granted and deserve to be criticized. There are lots of improvements needed and can be done.
Sitting out or voting Republican/Independent accomplishes none of this.
For all the 'nothing' the democrats have supposedly done for the term prior to 2016, Trump sure has found a lot to try and reverse.
Of course, what does this lead to? Losing midterms, complete control given to Republicans, and Donald Trump.
There is progress there. There can be a lot more. Democratic party has absolutely taken black/minority votes for granted and deserve to be criticized. There are lots of improvements needed and can be done.
Sitting out or voting Republican/Independent accomplishes none of this.
Reading some of the replies in this thread you would think black people are the only ones who decides who gets elected.
This "Trump 2020" nonsense sure sounds a lot like the 2016 election that certain types tried to blame on the lack of "black voter turnout."
This "Trump 2020" nonsense sure sounds a lot like the 2016 election that certain types tried to blame on the lack of "black voter turnout."
It's never white people's fault.
Nah, it's possible (and needed) to both see the Republican Party as vile and vote Del accordingly, while still critiquing the Dems for their milquetoast attitude and lip service to marginalised communities without actually doing much to really help them so as to change it so they are being a positive force in these communities.
Who said anything about threatening?
You can go read it about it on any thread during the 2016 primaries or on any Hilary vs Bernie thread, BUT I was talking about the population at large. Believe or not there are people outside of this board.
Sure. And fod good reason but IMO trump is much worse and dangerous than his respublican predecessors. But again, it's unaccpetable that this nation needs to depend on the black vote to save it when this country has and continues to fuck the black populace over. But at the end of the day, moderate whites show themselves to not give a shit so we are once again dependent upon the black vote.
If that does occur it'll be because of white people. Just like how Trump won.
How about you get white people to vote right instead of chastising black people for being disenfranchised with a country that has never treated them right.
Fair enough
Haha I made an oopsie. You think black voter turnout dropped because we stopped giving a fuck collectively?
Or maybe years of closing voter polls, voter ID laws in the Midwest, and police used as intimidation at the polls played a factor in 2016?
Ah yes, Hillary's long con involving carrying hotsauce in her purse for over 2 decades *rolls eyes*
I've never seen a person whose every action is magnified and somehow vilified no matter what it is
You'll still get candidates that are too afraid to go "too far left" and lose their elections in addition to reliance on how terrible the other side is to "guarantee" Black votes. It becomes less of a issue with both parties genuinely competing for Black votes.
Definitely not suggesting this would/could happen any time soon, just that it needs to.
This whole country is rooted in the foundation of white people refusing to take any amount of responsibility
Sadly accurate. Also, when black people do turn out, they will get blame for losing the election.
It seemed to me you were implying some of the people in this thread were being hypocritical. And I did read Bernie vs Hillary threads, and the people who said they weren't going to vote after the primary got dragged much worse than anyone in this thread.
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I'm a minority that probably has fewer rights than blacks do (blacks can use the bathrooms THEY want, they can join the military, their ability to get married isn't in jeopardy, people don't say that treating blacks with respect is "compelled speech", blacks families don't disown them for being black, you can't be fired for being black). So don't try to out misery me. I'll win. You don't see me bitching about how, since things aren't perfect, democrats have to "earn my vote" That kind of shit got us Trump. But, as always, other people's suffering is a small price to pay for you to get what want.
No the problem was acting like it mattered not that it was something she did. Carrying hot sauce doesn't mean jack shit vs actual policy that affects black americans.
I'm a white guy so I'm not the best person to say anything but i fully get where people are coming from when they say this isn't shit. And for anyone to turn it around on black voters like it's their fucking fault that Trump and Republicans and whoever get voted in... What a fucking disgraceful way to act.
Make the voices hear in the primary. Get involved with the party. Pressure candidates and officials to shape policy before they take office or win the primary. That is when you will be listened to. That is when you can most make an impact. Politicians do actually try to keep their promises and platforms! Trump about-facing on things from the campaign trail is actually the opposite of how politicians behave, because politicians like being re-elected! And constantly backstabbing people doesn't let that happen. (edit: I've gotta find the graph on how Dems have shifted hard left on racial issues over the past 10 years)
The milquetoast persuasion messaging will never stop because the majority of states are whiter than the US as a whole, while at the same time white (and, increasingly, male) Americans are generally the only ones with the luxury of being a swing voter. People complained about how Northam was "ignoring black voters" after he won the primary. He won the state by 9 points w/ minority turnout levels proportional to a Presidential year.
The idea that you need to just persuade or just turn out the base is a false choice. Campaigns can and will do both. But when it comes to persuading a non-voter vs persuading an enemy voter, the former gets you +1 vote, the latter +2. Which is why the mainstream messaging goes to the swings. Jamelle Bouie just put out a good piece synthesizing a bunch of things from the past few years (Racism, Trump lying about populist economics and delivering standard GOP ones)
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...olicies-in-the-midwest.html?via=recirc_recent
No one claimed that it mattered, the people making a fuss were those who sought to use it to paint her as a phony.
So why is it even being brought up? The vast majority of HIllary Clinton related post say absolutely nothing about her platform
No offense, but this is just...ignorance. The judiciary is what has been largely stopping/slowing down many of Trump's regressive policies and actions. Saying those appointments have led to nothing is absurd
Hey everyone,
This is a passionate discussion, but an important one.
That said, it is possible to disagree without resorting to personal attacks and flaming. So lets stick to that.
Also, let's stop quoting people just to say, "Welcome to Trump 2020." The Democratic Party can and should be critiqued.
This is a passionate discussion, but an important one.
That said, it is possible to disagree without resorting to personal attacks and flaming. So lets stick to that.
Also, let's stop quoting people just to say, "Welcome to Trump 2020." The Democratic Party can and should be critiqued.
Well, let's see what they actually end up doing, I am very skeptical that they're actually going to change the party in a drastic way.
Yeah but surely we will teach those Democrats a lesson. They will have to apologize, oh wait...
Go ahead and take your shot. Because you are typifying the problem here, and you should just be upfront and say what you mean. Your approach is all stick and no carrot. What's it going to take to change that?
So there are a lot of things in that platform. What I place weight in is what the candidates speak on primarily on the campaign trail, who they speak to, what they say during the GE debates. And in these ways the party has failed us. edit: also, in their actual policies! In which, again, they have failed us, in large part.
Yeah, I'm aware of this. But I (and I can only speak for myself, but I believe many of us feel the same way) am tired of our bloc, which has come out for Democratic candidates by far the most consistency of any demographic, being throw under the fucking wheels so a small percentage of racist swing state voters don't catch feels. Even Obama largely failed us on black issues.
Did you just erase black queer folk like they don't exist ? Lmaoooo this thread is hilarious
An apology is nice, but I hope they're not stupid enough to think this is all they need to secure more dedicated black voters for 2018 and 2020. It's gonna take time, and more importantly, receipts.
People are really coming in here and assuming that just because the posters here are rejecting/skeptical of this "apology" that they won't vote for the Dems still, lmao. Holding their noses and voting for a party that takes them for granted has been the reality of black politics for the last few decades, it's why we have this apology in the first place. It's why blacks are the backbone of the Dem voting electorate.
Skeptics are not saying "I don't believe you and won't vote for you until I do", they're saying "show me your work and i'll believe you".
Skeptics are not saying "I don't believe you and won't vote for you until I do", they're saying "show me your work and i'll believe you".
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Because all she had for black Americans was "I'm not Trump and I like hot sauce" and black Americans still supported her ass so I don't want to hear silver spooned honkeys whining about the black vote.
Being black and being LGBT aren't mutually exclusive though...but i will agree with the bolded
A strong ground game on the local and state level, getting white people to vote out their racist officials, and/or get laws put on the ballot to be voted on by popular vote.
This is a very weird way to talk to minorities about known issues.
Because even liberals aren't going to ask white people to be responsible for their actions.
Let's completely ignore that the entire point of voting in elections is to get someone in power that will improve your life, clearly if someone you helped reach the top is ignoring what you have to say the only logical course of action is to keep silently supporting them!
Silver spooned honkeys. Lovely. Fact is Hillary's platform was about 90% parallel to Bernie who did less shit and cared less about minorities.
LOL does it really matter if black people or any other minority shows up to vote? Our voting power isn't enough. We live in the cities. The rural vote counts more. Trump already put nominations through. Minorities are going to suffer even more.
And hey it might be depressing but the other poster makes sense. It's a taste of reality. I mean conservative white people will vote in a candidate with an R next to their name but Dems having to pick the cream of the crop is why they'll lose every time. Dems should be doing better to cater to minorities but our vote matters less.
It's an endless cycle that maybe once in a lifetime we'll have a million in one chance that the politicians that listen to the disenfranchised while controlling all parts of the government.
What a joke.
Maybe I just have no hope because I live in GA.
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So us "blacks" are the only ones responsible for the outcome of elections? Us "blacks" are only 13% of the population, instead of spewing your venom at "blacks," why not save some for the majority in this country?
Do you understand how white those states are overall? Not just like, understanding the stats, but really synthesizing just how monolithically white they are. It's why Obama largely deliberately didn't talk about black issues in '08 because he knew it'd hurt him with voters he desperately needed to win. He went hard for the populist vote in the plains and midwestern states, attacking Hillary on NAFTA. He ran to her right because if he had run to her left, he would have lost.
This is pretty much my stance. The best I can do to influence this in a positive way is vote for people on the local level that promote black issues. And seeing as I'm in Nebraska, that is pretty much non-existent.
So voter laws did play a factor, wasn't just black attitudes. We agree.
To change voter laws, you need progressives in office to do it. But if those "Progressives" always wanna ask Repubs for permission to get shit done then we don't actually have any progress on that front, do we?
That's the point going on, we want strong action. We don't want Dems asking for negative peace
I appreciate this post but this is a very strawman characterization of what I assume to be my arguement.
Pointing out that turning your ass up at an apology is probably not the way to go is not saying that Dems shouldn't be criticized.
Democrats are going to have to implement partisan laws as the minority to get support. Such a ridiculous standard.
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