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Junichi Masuda talks about Pokemon Let's Go major changes, graphics, more
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What are you referring to? Criticisms is fine, and they should be criticized when warranted, but boycotting any games with petitions and review bombing is unjustified, no matter how you look at it.
Saying that people shouldn't boycott any video game is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the time frame. I shouldn't have jumped down your throat like that, especially when you did post the translation correction.
I haven't paid 100% attention to every post in this thread, but can you point out the petition and review bombing stuff? I must've missed that.
We probably need to wait for the OT to get a Let's Go thread without a ton of hyperbole going either direction really.
Sorry for raising that hubbub and I wasn't trying to imply you were misleading or lying when I talked about the info issues. You work with the info you have and it's clearly there. Again sorry for seeming to imply that.
I do want to ask something. I saw a few people arguing on GameFaqs about if your translation is correct vs the translation by Nico Thaxton at Nintendo Everything. One brought up that the 難しい could mean something else besides difficult. Do you think it's a matter up to interpretation or is Nico just wrong with how they translated it?
I mean it could, but in almost all contexts, 難しい is "difficult"
Well, you don't have to buy their games, and that is fine. But that's not what you would call "boycotting" at all. Boycotting refers to actually attempting to block, discourage, or prevent developers from selling something that they created, and that's a different thing and subject to discuss about.
It's nothing major at all. What I am guessing is, the word, "boycott" may mean something subjectively different depending on context, and it seems the context was mixed into the discussions at some point a while ago.
Thanks. I guess Nico took the one exception to rule, but clearly the translation can be just straightforward. I wish translations were easy. Again sorry and thanks for your work.
me: I hope one day we get a more hardcore Pokemon or at least a difficulty settings so it doesn't feel like baby's first rpg. Would make sense it happens on the switch since a bunch of the marketing has shown 20+ year olds
year later
"However, that's not the only reason. Masuda thinks that the classic catching mechanics may be too difficult for some players"
...what...
how inept and stupid do they think children are?
year later
"However, that's not the only reason. Masuda thinks that the classic catching mechanics may be too difficult for some players"
...what...
how inept and stupid do they think children are?
lmaooooooooooo imagine being this mad at people who are just choosing not to get a product they don't like.
Boycott? No. It just doesn't interest me, so I have no interest in getting it.
This is such a stupid post that I don't even understand why you wasted the time it took to make this.
First off, a boycott "is an act of voluntary and intentional abstention from using, buying, or dealing with a person, organization, or country as an expression of protest, usually for moral, social, political, or environmental reasons." Pokemon is not that serious, people are allowed to not buy a game for whatever reason they see fit. In this case, people are refusing to buy it because the game doesn't align with what they expect out of a Pokemon. So why are you so mad that people refusing to buy the game so much so that you resort to the "haha it will sell well cry moar" argument? It makes you sound like an insufferable fanboy.
Furthermore, the hypocrisy of you calling out people who are choosing not to buy the game as "hyperbole" when you are being hyperbolic about their choice to not buy the game is ridiculous. You are being an irrational person by asking people to get punished for speaking out their disdain with the game, all the while being hyperbolic yourself in wanting punishment. If anything, you seem to forget that people are free to do whatever they want, especially in regards to spending money on entertainment products like video games.
You wrote a lot of toxic shit in one small post, reconsider your views before you start spewing nonsense like this again.
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I want to say that the only semi-rational explanation behind this change in design philosophy that Pokemon has seen since X&Y is the rise of mobile gaming. Even beyond Go, a key aspect of mobile games is accessibility, in most cases, they're simple, pick-up-and-play games with a very broad appeal.
Thus, Masuda's absurd description of catching Pokemon being "difficult" makes sense if you compare it popular mobile games, because compared to shit like Angry Birds, Pokemon is significantly more complex in comparison. This would explain the glut of handholding in X/Y and S/M, as the high popularity of simple, accessible, games scared Gamefreak into thinking that they needed to spoon-feed tutorials to the casual audience or else they'd drift away from "difficult" game mechanics.
Going by this logic, Let's Go is the culmination of this trend, as it's super simplified and so accessible that you literally aren't allowed to bring in an ill-equipped party into a Gym. It's quite literally meant to be a $60 mobile game that requires a $300 console to play it on, and while that sounds like an awful idea on paper, the Pokemon name and Genwunner nostalgia will likely push it to success anyway.
To be honest, I'm getting more and more pessimistic about the 2019 game by the day. Here's hoping some people who aren't terribly out of touch get some say over where the franchise is heading.
Thus, Masuda's absurd description of catching Pokemon being "difficult" makes sense if you compare it popular mobile games, because compared to shit like Angry Birds, Pokemon is significantly more complex in comparison. This would explain the glut of handholding in X/Y and S/M, as the high popularity of simple, accessible, games scared Gamefreak into thinking that they needed to spoon-feed tutorials to the casual audience or else they'd drift away from "difficult" game mechanics.
Going by this logic, Let's Go is the culmination of this trend, as it's super simplified and so accessible that you literally aren't allowed to bring in an ill-equipped party into a Gym. It's quite literally meant to be a $60 mobile game that requires a $300 console to play it on, and while that sounds like an awful idea on paper, the Pokemon name and Genwunner nostalgia will likely push it to success anyway.
To be honest, I'm getting more and more pessimistic about the 2019 game by the day. Here's hoping some people who aren't terribly out of touch get some say over where the franchise is heading.
I doubt there is anyone here that would be shocked if thing did gangbusters considering
1) Its Pokemon
2) Its branding itself as a Go game on console.
I'd be shocked if it did less than the standard outing for a mainline Pokemon game
That's... not true at all? Where did you found such information?
If you are assuming the handhoding in Sun&Moon is Ohmori's doing, I have to inform you that both the Rotom Dex and the "journey with friends" concept were actually Masuda's inclusions. He stated in an interview that he pushed really hard for the Rotom Dex to be included (and for a new Pokémon Snap not to happen, by the way. He said that the only appeal of the original was that it was in 3D, so it made no sense to make a new one. No kidding). And, the whole concept of "sharing" your adventure, friendly rivals, the new experience share, everyone healing you and giving you items... and more... were either forced to be included, or had to be included because of Masuda's influence. As a first-time director, this is sadly expected for Ohmori to bear.
Hell, this whole Let's Go thing is basically Masuda doing what he always wanted to do without restrains. It's a living proof of what he's been pushing for in the games his whole career as a director. The only difference is that this time there is nothing or no one to balance it out, or to make his ideas sort of work. Being a remake, there isn't also the novelty of a new region to create the same effect, or a similar effect. But hey, maybe these games are a massive success and he's been right all this time... and others have been just cutting him short. +20 million copies sold, here we Go?
I think it could go either way. It has a lot of things going for it. The switch is a SW selling beast and this is its big holiday title. It's got the gen 1 nostalgia and the potential to pick up some of the go fan base. Pokemon right now has really surged in popularity again thanks to go.
On the flip side I wonder if there is any chance for some of this negative reaction to spill over or if there is a chance for this to be viewed more like the remakes rather than a brand new game.
I could see this selling 20+ million but I could just as easily see it selling less than the mainline entries.
The Pokemon game next year IMO will definitely sell a huge amount but I still think let's go is far from a guarantee.
...This was during the development of Sun and Moon right? So I'm assuming this means it was before the Switch was announced/released? You're telling me that the Wii U, a console that feels like Pokémon Snap was made for, didn't get developed because Pokémon were already 3d? The fact that Masuda pushed for it to not happen implies there were people who wanted to try it. It seems like Masuda didn't really get the appeal of Pokémon Snap. I mean, the camera in the Rotom Dex is a nice call back, and the comments were a good choice, but it doesn't have the puzzle solving or the funny things you can do to get a better photo. Man I'm bummed, do you happen to have a link?
They already showed that there is a friendly rival. Though Blue/Gary might still be in the game in a different form. I think we will still him as the final champion.
Of course, here it is. Apologies for bringing even more bad news...
Pokémon Snap was a great game by its own merits. It was made by none other than HAL Laboratory, and it shows!
Reducing their wonderful work with that game to "it was appealing because it was in 3D" is not just oblivious, but downright disrespectful. He does not get the value of that game at all, which says a lot about his design sensibilities. I didn't even play it as a kid but got it on Wii's VC, and had a blast from beginning to end. Definitely one of the best spin-offs Pokémon ever had...
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I remember when I played my first pokemon game (yellow) ... I wasn't even 5 years old, which mean I couldn't read at the time... but that didn't prevent me from playing the game totally fine, beating it with my lvl 100 pikachu, and capturing the legendaries ect...
So saying battleling wild pokemon is "too difficult" is nonsensical bull***t
So saying battleling wild pokemon is "too difficult" is nonsensical bull***t
Thanks a bunch.
Pokémon Snap is definitely a great game from Hal, it's only crime is how short it is. Spin offs only make me love the series more.
is there a translation of the transcript anywhere?
edit: nevermind i'm dumb that's the translator speaking not the interviewer lol
Yes.
Even better if your kid has someone to play with, so your kid can enjoy co-op experiences.
Been watching some of the posts that call out my "toxicity" and this is the only one that actually deserves a reply.
Yes, congratz on knowing how to cite a definition, now let's get down to actually understanding what it means:
You are confusing the terms disinterest with boycotting.
"I don't like this game, therefore I won't buy it" - Disinterest.
"I don't like the way this game messes with what I hold dear as the foundation of the franchise I love, therefore I will protest about it and vote with my wallet, so I won't buy it and will continue to voice my displeasure with this game in hopes that people won't buy it as well, with the intent to make the product fail commercially" - Boycotting, Which is what some of you are intentionally trying to persue with the constant bashing of developers and any user that want to defend the product. Nevermind people in this very thread that have claimed to actually want it to flop commercially.
That is boycotting, and is an absolutely abhorrent and toxic practice that is an insult to developers and other gamers alike. Stop with the victim BS, I'm not a perpetrator, I'm just telling the truth, this game will most likely be a Smashing success and a system seller and I will personally be glad if you get mad about it, as you kind of deserve it.
I'm not confusing anything, you literally warped the definition of "boycott" into something that it is not because you're making some vague appeal to emotion by bringing up how it's "insulting to developers," while forgetting that people have the freedom to do whatever they want with their money.
If a person chooses not to buy the game because it doesn't fit their expectation of what a Pokemon game is to them, then all they're doing is abstaining from buying a product that they are not interested in. There is no overarching cause that comes with their decision to not purchase a certain product. In fact, that is literally the point of what encompasses a boycott. Consider some of the examples of boycotts:
1) Boycotting purchases of athletic gear from major brands such as Nike, Adidas, Under Armour, etc., because they use sweat shops and exploiting the fact that they can woefully underpay the labour force to make a profit.
2) Boycotting animal meat products from various major market brands, because of the widespread mistreatment and exploitation of animals as well as inhumane slaughterings, and poor living conditions.
See the difference? Boycotts are not an abhorrent practice which you somehow seem to think that it is, purely because you're focusing ONLY on the developers and nothing else. So be as sarcastic about your congratulations as you want, because clearly you have no idea what you're talking about by equating what people are voicing ITT to boycotts, especially when you don't even know what it means to boycott a product. Furthermore, people saying that they want the game to fail doesn't make what they're doing a boycott, especially when you consider that ResetEra is only a fraction of the number of people that LGEP is reaching out to anyway. Which again, comes down to the fact that boycotts require an overarching cause that gets people to ultimately stop buying a certain product, and this falls extremely short of that.
The fact that you're so ultra-defensive to the point of deriving pleasure if other people and myself are mad (lolwhat) about this speaks measures of your irrationality, because first off, when did I ever say that the game would not be successful? My biggest problem with the game comes down to its design, and yet, I've stated multiple times in various Pokemon threads here that this game will sell at least 15-16mil (with some caveats of course such the cost of entry on a Switch vs. smartphone, but you'll just handwave them as me being overly critical). This would put it as the best-selling remakes ever. This why I said that kind of mentality is what makes you an insufferable fanboy instead of someone to have a productive discussion with.
Which is why I don't understand the meltdowns on them removing attacking something twice.
The ease of combat and the sheer monotony of it is something which put me off X and Sun when I played them. Having the Go capture mechanics is the sole reason I'm giving the series another chance.
Oh yeah, I'm an insufferable fanboy because I've stated that I like the changes that this game brings to the formula and welcome them. Is that everything you've got to make me look like the enemy? I said I"ll enjoy the salt because the meltdown will be full of actually irrational people that complain about the game's success without understanding the appeal of it to other people, Which is absolutely immature.
No, that's not what boycotting means at all, it does not need an overarching cause that devolves into political conflict to be a boycott, and applied to this game the meaning of the definition clearly applies in the sense that it is done for a cause, which is to create actual disinterest in the game, to damage the company that produces it financially as a form of protest, what's so hard to understand about it? Wanting it to fail is the purest form of protest that can be made and it all comes as a form of boycott. It's not just the Act that matters, it's the Intent behind it that classifies it as boycotting.
You're not doing it to actively damage the reputation of this product? To produce hyperbolic claims such as "Lacking content" because of the change of random encounters to GO style mechanics"? Then why the heck are you quoting me? Because apparently you found offence in my claims as if they were directed you? That, and the constant insults thrown at me like "Pikachu Cuck-sucker and "Insufferable fanboy" are reasons enough to prove that you ARE boycotting this game, which only makes it sadder as you admit that it won't impact the game's sales at all.
Because they are removing the element of skill in favour for a luck base system that requires very very very little skill or effort.
Plus it adds to the memories as well as I can remember in my playthrough of Pokémon Silver and how hard it was trying to capture a Heracross as not only did I had to chase it down but the Pokémon was super strong that he nearly wiped my team out, but in the end I managed to capture it and he became a powerhouse in my team.
The new catching system will not come close to replicating that feeling.
Lol. Gotta protect gaming's perpetual underdog, Pokemon.
Call me when the supposed vitriol is so pervasive that the game's OT needs a disclaimer like Xenoblade 2's to prevent it from turning into a shitshow.
Call me when the supposed vitriol is so pervasive that the game's OT needs a disclaimer like Xenoblade 2's to prevent it from turning into a shitshow.
There was no more skill required in hitting attack twice then capturing a Pokémon than just throwing the ball in this new instalment.
The challenge was always in beating the gyms and battling other trainers which are both present in this game.
At the end of the day if people don't like it they don't have to buy it and the 'proper' game is coming next year.
Any Let's Go fans need a place to talk about the game with friendly folks? Nintendo SwitchERA Discord if anyone wants to join and we have plenty of Pokemon emojis! ❤
https://discord.gg/xFZAh3u
https://discord.gg/xFZAh3u
You know full well that the disclaimer has already been written well in advance. Heck, even at rumour stage the game was said to be a controversial one.
Discord has even less moderation and just reminds me im not good at social environments. Last time I was in a Pokken discord someone was whining and calling people autistic for playing Chandelure and i didn't really want any part of Pokemon discussions since.
Ohohoho~ That won't occur in this Discord. We are very lax, but we also have 0 tolerance on stuff like that and act swiftly. I believe strongly in behavior moderation.
What you'll experience here is people having fun without all the negativity.
This whole debacle with the translation reminds me of how Inafune never actually said Mighty No 9 was "better than nothing." It's always too late when the accurate translation comes.
False; each Pokémon has a catch rate and lowering the Pokémon health isn't a sure fire way to capturing the Pokémon and thus status effect can help aid capture, along with choosing what Pokéball will be the most effective. There is an element of skills involved.
The other concern for lack of wild battle is that it makes training difficult as the player would have to play the dumb mini game and with the Pokémon being able to run away, it's just going to frustrate them and make training even longer.
Thankfully it seems like that you can re-battle trainers so that won't be a problem, which what I was the most worried about.
That is just not acceptable behaviour. >:(
So I wanted to see if anyone actually called you that with search, and the only result I can find is you calling yourself that. Cause there's no way a moderator or anyone reading this thread would let that go.
Otherwise, yeah, you kind of are acting like a fanboy. Trying to find joy in sales of a game that's going to do millions to spite people who don't want to buy the game is just really sad. Game Freak isn't entitled to our purchase, and we can say whatever we dislike about the game if we want to here. They are not free from criticism.
No, I called you an insufferable fanboy because you resort to the sales/appeal to popularity fallacy in frustration against people who have voiced their displeasure, that's not how you start productive conversations about the flaws and positive aspects of the game. That and you keep making strange claims like I'm somehow rooting for this to fail, or that I'm painting you as the enemy because you like the game (newsflash only you brought this up, I've never attacked the fact that you like this game nor called you a "Pikachu Cuck-Sucker"). You could easily have looked up my post history to see my views on the game and its sales potential but somehow in your eyes, you think I'm bashing what you're saying simply because you like the game. There are people ITT who have managed to make better counterarguments against those that are not fond of the game compared to what you have written so far.
The reason I responded to you was because I found it absolutely stupid that the logic of equating people's choice in not buying a luxury item because it doesn't suit their taste to boycotting, as being absolutely stupid and waters down the meaning and what boycotts actually accomplish. I've literally shown you examples of how boycotts and your only counterargument is handwave it away and say "no it doesn't!!!" while going back to the same argument about how you perceive it to be a boycott when it's absolutely not. Again, call me when there's a large amount of people that have refused to buy the game instead of a gaming bubble site like ResetERA/Reddit/4Chan, and call me when there's an actual cause to rally behind that goes beyond simply not liking the game because it doesn't measure up to your expectations.
Furthermore, you seem to have a very twisted notion that judging a game's lack of content = hyperbolic. This is subjective and dependent on the player, additionally, the lack of content can also be because of the fact that it's Kanto-only and only has 151 Pokemon (as opposed to 821), which I'm 100% certain that you did not pay attention to when you read other people's arguments. Otherwise, by your logic, we'd be demonizing everyone who berated XY/ORAS and even Sun and Moon at the time because of the perceived lack of content in the form of post-game content, and even in spite of the post-game comments, there were people who still love the games.
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People are more likely to treat each other horribly over text rather than face to face, doubly so if there's an audience. It just seems like posters forget how to be critical in a mature fashion and not just going into every single thread about a game to post that its for babies, posting 4chan collages, claiming Pokemon is doomed etc. Going by the reactions here and other Pokemon communities, review bombing is 100% going to happen.
When these threads started showing up it got so sickening that I requested a ban but it seems like the ignore system is alright, but every time you see the "show ignored messages" thing you're just reminded that there are people you don't want in your life right in front of you.
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Catching Pokmeon without battling could definitely be a part of the series going forward, it just needs to be done in a more interesting way. I understand why they did it this way for this game though.
In the future, rather than replacing wild battles it could an alternative way to based on different mechanics. Think of how you get a dog to follow you in Zelda, BOTW. Being able to toss out berries or items that the Pokemon might like on the world map, and then if they like you enough when you go into battle it goes straight into catching mode (which might be just a formality at that point). Different Pokemon like different things, and it wouldn't work on all species. The most important thing would be organically weaving that kind of mechanic into the nature of the world and avoiding "Do you want to slather some HONEY on this tree that is the only one you can slather some HONEY on? Y/N"
In the future, rather than replacing wild battles it could an alternative way to based on different mechanics. Think of how you get a dog to follow you in Zelda, BOTW. Being able to toss out berries or items that the Pokemon might like on the world map, and then if they like you enough when you go into battle it goes straight into catching mode (which might be just a formality at that point). Different Pokemon like different things, and it wouldn't work on all species. The most important thing would be organically weaving that kind of mechanic into the nature of the world and avoiding "Do you want to slather some HONEY on this tree that is the only one you can slather some HONEY on? Y/N"
Huh?
There aren't any. Unless he got someone PMing him.