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Penny Royal

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I put them on a par with each other as they explore different themes within their SF setting, and their desire to shot for 2001 as a target for movie SF.

Some people need to remember the 'fiction' part too. Both movies contain grounded science (e.g. objects with momentum in Sunshine with the debris field, the time dilation due to gravity in Interstellar) with theoretical (wormholes & the thing rating the sun which was a concept theorised in the book Dragon's Egg & it's sequel Star Quake) and fantastical concepts like Kappa's jump & the tesseract.
 

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Sunshine.

At least that movie was on the way to being one of my top 10 favorite sci-fi movies of all times before it shit the bed and devolved into a poorly filmed friday the 13th knockoff.
 

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Interstellar imo, sunshine gets real close tho

You wouldnt go on forever and you wouldnt get crushed.
You would get stretched until you are just a string of atoms, when and where (inside or outside the black hole) depend on how big it is.
I don't know the exact particulars but my light reading on the subject says you'd be crushed by the tidal forces. Maybe that's interpreted by being stretched?
 

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I don't know the exact particulars but my light reading on the subject says you'd be crushed by the tidal forces. Maybe that's interpreted by being stretched?
Maybe? I think the actual term, I kid you not, is spaghettified. It happens because when you start getting too close, the difference in the amount of force the black holes gravity exterts on your feet and your head gets too large and you get stretched, side effect of them being small and dense. If the black hole is big enough, you can enter it no problem, though the same thing happens inside supposedly.

I guess you can describe the gravity as tidal forces, so maybe its just semantics.
 

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Sunshine

At least that movie was on the way to being one of my top 10 favorite sci-fi movies of all times before it shit the bed and devolved into a poorly filmed friday the 13th knockoff.
It doesnt devolve. The movie is laying the groundwork for Pinbacker from the first scene, where we see someone entranced by the sun's light like it's some otherworldly force and then he talks about it like it's a religious rapturous experience. The entire movie treats the sun as this cosmic force that compells you to stare into its light, drives you insane, that invades your dreams, that bends the laws of space and time beyond human understanding. Pinbacker is what Searle would have become
 

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It doesnt devolve. The movie is laying the groundwork for Pinbacker from the first scene, where we see someone entranced by the sun's light like it's some otherworldly force and then he talks about it like it's a religious rapturous experience. The entire movie treats the sun as this cosmic force that compells you to stare into its light, drives you insane, that invades your dreams, that bends the laws of space and time beyond human understanding.
It absolutely does devolve in terms of editing and it's pretty damn abrupt how quick the quality drops too.

As soon as they connect with the other ship, the quality of the editing in this movie drops down to the pits and stays there until the final scene.
 

Zom

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I love Interstellar, but the scene when the planet Mercury transits the Sun is much more powerful than anything in Interstellar for me.

 

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Maybe? I think the actual term, I kid you not, is spaghettified. It happens because when you start getting too close, the difference in the amount of force the black holes gravity exterts on your feet and your head gets too large and you get stretched, side effect of them being small and dense. If the black hole is big enough, you can enter it no problem, though the same thing happens inside supposedly.

I guess you can describe the gravity as tidal forces, so maybe its just semantics.
It's called tidal forces officially. You'd stretch but you're still crushed because nothing can actually endure it. The size of the black hole also determines if you'd actually die before reaching the event horizon.
 

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It's called tidal forces officially. You'd stretch but you're still crushed because nothing can actually endure it. The size of the black hole also determines if you'd actually die before reaching the event horizon.
Yeah, this is correct. I think I read somewhere that you can survive the biggest black hole (some monster with 17b solar masses) for a couple of hours, though im not sure how long exactly.
 
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Seems to be a close race here. I excluded 2001 because it feels too far removed with it being released all the way back in the 60s.

In any case, my vote also goes to Sunshine. It was honestly kind of a stealth brag thread about my favorite Sci-Fi movie of all time, which I feel is vastly underrated.


Wow, I mean really? I can get people saying 2001, but the Martian?
 

maigret

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I just watched both of these, Interstellar for the first time and Sunshine for the third or fourth time. Interstellar is very good but I think it tries to hard to hit you over the head at the end trying to explain to the audience through Cooper's monologue about Murphy being the chosen one to save humanity, etc. In short, it's a Nolan movie, it exploits a very clever premise but in the execution it's a little clumsy. The cinematography, editing, score and performances from Matthew McConaughey and Anne Hathaway are all exceptional.

I also had to question the premise of humanity living off corn - there's a well known epidemic of pellagra that happened in the 20th century US that's been linked to overconsumption of corn. Maybe they had vitamin supplements still hanging around. I know this is nitpicky and the idea of a worldwide dust blight more or less fabricated, but the movie's ostensible commitment to science re: black holes made me question this a bit here. Also, NASA costs too much to fund so must operate in secret, but this is in a world where there are no armies anymore, which is like 50% of the US's budget.

There is one part of the plot in Interstellar that I didn't care for, namely the Matt Damon turnabout. I liked this character a lot (the proud scientist who can't admit he was wrong), but does he have to try to kill Cooper like he's Pinbacker over here? He can't just abandon them instead? I know people have their issues with Pinbacker in Sunshine (I think it's the weakest part of the movie but it doesn't really affect my enjoyment), but that antagonist is set up with the Searle character earlier on so it's not as dramatic a shift as people make it out to be.

Sunshine and it's not even close

Sunshine is one of the best cosmic horror movies ever made too; if you think Sunshine was some hard sci-fi movie that weirdly switches genres at the end, you werent paying attention. The movie is setting that up from scene one and is steeped in cosmic horror/religious elements throughout. Pinbacker is the logical conclusion of what the movie established from the first scene

The overwhelming howling force of the sun dwarfs our protagonists' ship, a cosmic force that invades their nightmares, that draws those that watches its light into enraptured near-religious worship of the sun, a siren song that drives people to madness. What seemed like an out-of-nowhere third-act twist now felt like the logical endpoint of the clues and themes laid out by the movie from scene one

I can't think any other sci-fi movie since Alien and 2001 that makes space feel like such a hostile uncaring abyss. From the everpresent power of the sun, with only a shield and a single mistake between survival and obliteration, to the constant reminder of how fragile their resources and protection are against the void outside, Sunshine wraps its character drama and thrills in a sense of constant threat. It truly captures that aspect of cosmic horror, even without all the more subtly Lovecraftian elements.

Like these kinds of shots reminded me of The Void, especially once you consider the hypnotic almost religious pull the sun has Searle and the captain


A hostile uncaring environment, less like the exterior of a ship and more like the surface of some alien landscape, weird spacesuits that look more like oppressive diving suits to explore the abyss rather than the traditional outfits

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The overwhelming howling force of the sun, with Searle madly yelling "what do you see" as if witnessing the unfiltered solar light as you're being consumed will reveal some unknown truths

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Don't forget the sun invading their nightmares with shared dreams of falling toward its surface among at least two of the crew, or the movie diving head-long into "worshiping this cosmic entity changes you" territory by showing through Pinbacker what could have happened to Searle if he continued on his path of insane solar acolyte that has bathed in the sun's light



Pinbacker is presented in very inhuman ways that make it seem as if his reverence of the sun has distorted him. Our first glimpse is the jagged glitched video log. Then later in the viewing room, he's this gnarled desiccated silhouette that looks like a Slenderman-esque entity or an alien being, like something born from the light. His POV, and anytime we ever see him from other character's perspective, is through this wavering filter of eyes burned out by sunlight, as if his very presence is distorting reality


I used to feel that third act was stupid and came out of nowhere. But it doesn't, the movie pretty clearly lays the groundwork for it from the beginning

I don't get why people see it as this crazy twist or jumping-the-shark genre shift. Sunshine isn't and never was some hard sci-fi movie, and it establishes its religious and cosmic horror themes and elements within the first ten minutes.

I was going to write my own thoughts on Sunshine but I'm basically just going to agree with everything you said here. Sunshine comes about as close to a modern day Alien for me as I think we're ever likely to get.

Captain Kaneda's death in Sunshine is such a magnificent piece of filmmaking, so I'll just post the video:



I love the Zimmer score from Interstellar but the John Murphy score is so effective in Sunshine at creating these intense emotional moments like this.
 
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shintoki

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It is not even close, Sunshine is one of the greatest SciFi films ever. I'd say the first 2/3 is the greatest, the remaining 1/3 is a step down, but still great with a near perfect finale.
 

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People real mad that Interstellar had any fiction parts to go with the science I guess. Jeez.

Y'all acting like you're theoretical physicists in here complaining, but the truth is actual physicists can appreciate the science that was used to ground the movie and the fiction that was used to give it a human element and inspire us.

I liked Sunshine a lot too.
 

LossAversion

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Oct 28, 2017
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Sunshine is one of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time.

Interstellar is one of the most disappointing movies that I've ever seen.

Interstellar was more ambitious and it had some incredible visuals but the third act just completely killed it for me. I know a lot of people feel the same way about Sunshine's third act but I didn't mind the shift in tone that much. I fucking love so much about Sunshine. The cast, the music, the visuals... such an awesome movie that is sadly overlooked by many.
 

rsfour

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It's crazy that John Murphy hasn't real done anything after Sunshine. Like a handful of movies and theatre combined.
 

Green Mario

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I liked Interstellar for what it was, but the third act was like a completely different movie. Wish they could've done something a bit less silly than the whole "love transcends time and space" garbage.

Still haven't seen Sunshine. :(
 

Ashhong

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Oct 26, 2017
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I liked Interstellar for what it was, but the third act was like a completely different movie. Wish they could've done something a bit less silly than the whole "love transcends time and space" garbage.

Still haven't seen Sunshine. :(
I don't agree with this. It was building to that the entire movie. If you thought that was a turn, wait till you see Sunshine.

Both of these movies are probably my favorite sci-fi movies of all time. But Sunshine takes the edge. That movie is so so so good. It excels in every aspect. The third act could have been a little better but it's still better than most out there
 

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Sunshine is yonks ahead.

I'd be more interested in a comparison between Ad Astra and Sunshine these days, to be honest. I feel like they tread in similar waters, even if they're not really about the same things.
 

SwitchedOff

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Oct 28, 2017
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Sunshine, without a doubt. Even taking into account the drop in quality in the third act, it's still a far superior movie to Nolan's very badly written Interstellar (which would have been so much better with the expository dialog removed).
 
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I like Interstellar but Sunshine is way better. Both are gorgeous films with wonderful cinematography, an excellent soundtrack and a really strong cast, but for me the philosophical and slightly more abstract stuff in Sunshine works, whereas it doesn't in Interstellar. I'm also one of the few who likes the third act switch in Sunshine.
 

LazyLain

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I like both but I haven't seen either in a while...

I think I'll side with Interstellar for now though.
 

Fatoy

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Mar 13, 2019
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Sunshine is pretty great, while Interstellar is one of my least favourite sci-fi blockbusters, and probably Nolan's worst film.
 

Dascu

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's easily Sunshine. But can we throw Ad Astra into this conversation? The combination of the parenthood theme with realistic space travel makes it an interesting comparison to Interstellar. It's also a lot better.
 

BebopCola

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Sunshine just worked a whole lot better for me, even though I really liked Interstellar. Realistic interpersonal drama played out in a claustrophobic environment is a lot more affecting, I think. I'd also take the Sunshine cast over the Interstellar cast in a game of dodgeball any day.

And it made me a die-hard John Murphy fan.



I remember buying the official soundtrack INSTANTLY after the issue with John Murphy/Underworld/The Studios was resolved. Before that I was one of those dweebs that listened to all the dvd rips/midi remixes on YouTube incessantly while at work. The soundtrack just screams "SPACE, MOTHERFUCKER!" to me.
 

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I prefer Sunshine although tbf it's been a long time since I've seen it. I found Interstellar really uneven tbh; I really enjoy some parts of it but really dislike others, especially the ending. The bit where he watches the message from the grown up Murph always gets me tearing up like a baby though.
 
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Re-watched Sunshine a while back and it was not as good as I remembered it. Interstellar on the other hand holds up on multiple views.

But who knows, in time I might feel the same way about both.
 

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Gotta go Sunshine.

I remember being really impressed with how pragmatic and mission intensive almost every member on the Icarus II were. They sacrificed their own lives with barely a hesitation when they had to, often with terrible deaths. I know it is just a movie but it made me wonder, if in the same situation, how I would react.
 

Ringten

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Hot damn, people have a hate boner for Interstellar. Thought it was a great movie.

Never heard of Sunshine...guess I have to give it a watch now
(also I did not particularly enjoy 2001)
 

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hot damn, people have a hate boner for Interstellar. Thought it was a great movie.

Never heard of Sunshine...guess I have to give it a watch now
(also I did not particularly enjoy 2001)
It depends if you can swallow how astronauts are depicted.

My main problem with Interstellar, apart from the third act, is how dumb all the supposedly highly trained and intelligent crew are. Their decision-making is often based on nothing but intuition or emotions and one of them dies indirectly because of that. Sunshine is the exact opposite in that regard. Sure, they make mistakes too but their problem solving is based on logic. It's like comparing The Martian to Armageddon.
 

Ringten

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It depends if you can swallow how astronauts are depicted.

My main problem with Interstellar, apart from the third act, is how dumb all the supposedly highly trained and intelligent crew are. Their decision-making is often based on nothing but intuition or emotions and one of them dies indirectly because of that. Sunshine is the exact opposite in that regard. Sure, they make mistakes too but their problem solving is based on logic. It's like comparing The Martian to Armageddon.

Ok interesting, will give it a watch tonight!
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I love both of these movies but I have to give the edge to Sunshine because they've got GOLD SPACESUITS.

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Fucking radical. I also used to own the dvd and there was a DVD commentary with Brian Cox talking about the science of the movie which was super interesting.
 

Cdammen

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sunshine. Interstellar felt like it was forcing me "to feel things" and the sound mix was horrible. It hurt my ears. I get that Nolan was going for impact but it just felt super pretentious and most importantly forced.

Sunshine isn't a fantastic movie either, but I feel it's a better movie as a whole. I've rewatched it three times, Interstellar I saw once (in cinema).