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Jonneh

Good Vibes Gaming
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Oct 24, 2017
4,538
UK
I just wrapped up a playthrough of the original Yoshi's Island and dipped into its two direct sequels: Island DS and New Island. Of course these games don't have the best reputation but the quality in level design isn't their lone issue, these games are just Yoshi's Island - again.

Perhaps more than any other iterative franchise, the Yoshi's Island games just feel like remakes of each other. Same mechanics, same enemies, same locations, same level gimmicks...same everything. Island DS mixed it up a tiny bit with multiple babies each with their own ability but they feel like road blocks to progression that don't really add anything substantial. New Island just straight up doesn't do anything new. Its main gimmick is giant eggs which were actually in a single stage of the original Yoshi's Island, only not quite as destructive.

The New Super Mario Bros. titles may be iterative but they at least all have distinct levels that don't just feel like remakes of one another. Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Island DS and Yoshi's New Island are so boring as a series that it makes my mind numb. Even when copying the exact ideas of the original game, the sequels still hardly come close to matching its quality. The original Yoshi's Island was extremely clever with its pacing and spacing of ideas, practically every single level introduces a new enemy and with that a new way to move around a level. The sequels are a lot more sparadic in that sense.

My main issue is neither of these games attempt to be better than the original, they just want to replicate it and they even fail at doing that. Nostalgia is a powerful tool but only when used sparingly. There's nothing sparing about these two.

On the other hand, Woolly World simply borrows the foundation of the original rather than taking all its level themes and it worked out extremely well. It's purely the titles with the "Yoshi's Island" moniker that are so depressingly dull.
 

Ghost250

Member
Mar 19, 2018
399
There are only two really good Yoshi games, Yoshi's Island for the SNES and Yoshi Story for the N64, ever since the series has just been phoned in garbage, just like kirby.
 

NotLiquid

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
34,762
There are only two really good Yoshi games, Yoshi's Island for the SNES and Yoshi Story for the N64, ever since the series has just been phoned in garbage, just like kirby.
I wouldn't call Woolly World amazing by any stretch of the means but there's no way you could accuse Good-Feel for a lack of trying. It was an inventive, creative and fun game.

Meanwhile the Arzest games feel so creatively bankrupt it's aggravating. Especially the fucking music. Fuck the music. It's like it's taunting me.
 

Thrill_house

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,615
Yoshi's island SNES was always in rotation in my house as a kid. My mother and sister adored that game. I did too. The music, art style and game play was just great! N64 version was good, but I agree I didn't care for any of the games after that. I don't know what the solution would be honestly.
 

sir_crocodile

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,494
Yoshi's island SNES was always in rotation in my house as a kid. My mother and sister adored that game. I did too. The music, art style and game play was just great! N64 version was good, but I agree I didn't care for any of the games after that. I don't know what the solution would be honestly.

the solution is for EAD to make one
 

Asbsand

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
9,901
Denmark
I feel like the internal perception of the Yoshi spinoffs changed and at this point it has lost all its soul. Yoshi isn't simply "cute", his games can't just be cute and call it a day. They also have a lot of darkness and danger in them which is reflected by the world design as well as enemies and especially music. The original Yoshi's Island had this sense of adventure. Yoshi's story arguably does it too. Even Yoshi's Island DS had some... But then... It just became generic and soulless and god Nintendo or 'Team-Assigned-To-Yoshi-Products', rethink what Yoshi is about or at least remember it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Yoshi's Story had lots of flaws, but at least it tried to do something new.

Artoon / Arzest didn't know what to do with Yoshi, so they lazily remade Yoshi's Island, without any of the charm or creativity of the original game. At least now Yoshi found a new home at Good Feel (and hey, Hey! Pikmin was a good little game by Arzest).

For me the Yoshi series is made by SNES Island, Story and Wooly World.
 

Vire

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,591
Hot take: Yoshi's Island was never good.

I remember as a kid my brother telling me oh my god they made a sequel to Super Mario World, words cannot express my dissapointment when I played the game itself.
 

Deleted member 176

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Oct 25, 2017
37,160
There are only two really good Yoshi games, Yoshi's Island for the SNES and Yoshi Story for the N64, ever since the series has just been phoned in garbage, just like kirby.
Wooly World was pretty good too I thought. Yoshi's Story is my personal favorite but I acknowledge it's most just because of how pretty it is.
 

Pirateluigi

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Oct 27, 2017
6,869
Hot take: Yoshi's Island was never good.

I remember as a kid my brother telling me oh my god they made a sequel to Super Mario World, words cannot express my dissapointment when I played the game itself.

Well that's certainly an opinion.

It's a bad opinion, but it's an opinion nonetheless.
 

Davey Cakes

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,688
Massachusetts
Yoshi's Island DS is the textbook definition of "fine." That's why it's disappointing, since the original YI is one of the greatest platformers ever. The levels were decent to play through but the gimmicks weren't that fun.

Also, the game was too hard for its own good. Going for 100% was WAY more of a test of patience than the original game, which had the perfect difficulty.
 

Jucksalbe

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Oct 27, 2017
739
I mean the whole point of Yoshi's Island DS and Yoshi's New Island was to have more games in the style of Yoshi's Island. There are plenty of other Yoshi games out there if you don't want that. It's not like this is a yearly series, there were almost 10 years between each game.

As far as the two handheld games go, I found the baby changing in DS a bit annoying and the stages are way too long. Yoshi's New Island, on the other hand, I quite liked, it's just that the soundtrack is all kinds of awful.
 

Gartooth

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,440
Somedays I can't decide whether Yoshi or Star Fox is the worst major Nintendo IP.

Like I really really enjoyed Yoshi's Island! I wouldn't go so far as to call it one of the best 2D platformers, but it was a game with incredible art direction and very unique and high quality mechanics and level designs.

Thing is, I haven't enjoyed any other Yoshi game I've played and I have played a lot of them. Woolly World was the best of the bunch, but even then I thought it was just a decent 2D platformer.
 

Popetita

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Oct 29, 2017
1,957
TX|PR
People like Yoshi's Story for n64?

It has charm and a great soundtrack but it was so short. I wanted another Island and felt so cheated with this beat 1 stage in each world nonsense. I wanted a meaty game.

First disappointment in gaming.

It's the weirdness of Nintendo. Like never making a full Pokemon game of a console until 2018.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,255
Somedays I can't decide whether Yoshi or Star Fox is the worst major Nintendo IP.

Like I really really enjoyed Yoshi's Island! I wouldn't go so far as to call it one of the best 2D platformers, but it was a game with incredible art direction and very unique and high quality mechanics and level designs.

Thing is, I haven't enjoyed any other Yoshi game I've played and I have played a lot of them. Woolly World was the best of the bunch, but even then I thought it was just a decent 2D platformer.

At the time of its creation (and for a good deal afterward) it was the greatest platformer ever created.)

My beef with the Yoshi games is the music. The orginal had so much character. I still play the underground theme from time to time:



None of the other Yoshi games had anything like this.
 

fiendcode

Member
Oct 26, 2017
24,925
My ranking

1. Yoshi's Island
2. Yoshi's Woolly World
3. Yoshi Touch & Go
4. Yoshi's New Island
5. Yoshi's Island DS
6. Yoshi's Story
7. Yoshi Topsy-Turvy
 

Deleted member 12790

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Oct 27, 2017
24,537
What about Touch and Go? Despite what you say about that, derivative is not the word I'd use to describe it.
 

SpecDot

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Oct 29, 2017
988
Yoshi's Island is in my top 3 games of all time. If you're like me, all the other Yoshi games that came after were difficult to enjoy because they're being compared to a mastapiece.
 

J-Spot

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Oct 27, 2017
1,320
Hot take: Yoshi's Island was never good.
I'll defend you on this. I remember enjoying the game as a kid, but when I went back to it a few years back I found it a bit lacking. The game leans way too hard on collectables and that's where the bulk of the challenge comes in. You have to really be inclined to scour the levels and replay them to 100% everything, which just isn't my thing these days. If you ignore the collectables and just play to reach the end you'll find the levels are pretty average and not up to the standards of 2-D Mario games.
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
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Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
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No, really, that's the issue. Yoshi's Island is the freaking pinnacle of 2D platformers; there's nowhere to go from there but down. So sequel makers try to ape it because they know they'll never be able to match its originality and beauty on their own.

Hot take: Yoshi's Island was never good.

I remember as a kid my brother telling me oh my god they made a sequel to Super Mario World, words cannot express my dissapointment when I played the game itself.

Psychotropic drugs are bad for your health.
 

Deleted member 12790

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Oct 27, 2017
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Touch and Go was a decent tech demo. Canvas Curse makes it obsolete.

Canvas Curse and Touch and Go play absolutely nothing alike nor do they provide the same sort of challenges. Literally the only thing similar about them is that they both use the stylus, and even then how they use them is very different.
 

Beartruck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,939
One of the problems is that the original yoshis island had normal grunts and sound effects for yoshi. Every remake and sequel has had his new high pitched voice and it's annoying. Listening to "MYEAAAAAANEAAAAUGH" every time you hover jump really grates after a while.
 

Birdie

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
26,289
Yoshi's Story is an amazingly creative game with an interesting art direction, musical direction, and gameplay---however nobody appreciated it, so Nintendo decided to make basically every Yoshi game following Yoshi's Island, where experimenting and refining what Story set out to do would've been so much more creative and rewarding.

So...yeah I agree. Yoshi's Island RUINED the Yoshi's series perhaps not because it set the bar too high and Nintendo never attempted to try something new post Story till Wooly World, though even that's technically derivative of Epic Yarn.
 

Bjones

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Oct 30, 2017
5,622
Yoshis story on n64 was probably my biggest letdown in gaming ever. Going from the technical and artistic wonder on snes with super difficult.. super tight gameplay to this new game that seemed to be aimed at preschoolers.. not just the graphics but the gameplay.. I was so heartbroken:(
 
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