Disney severs ties with James Gunn after controversial tweets

Cort · Jul 21, 2018

Typhoon20 said:
uhmm really?
Black Panther, Ragnarok just a couple of their last ones. Far superior to anything Gunn did. Heck, Ragnarok is a better Guardians movie than GOTG.
And GOTG2 was a step down.

I would say that the MCU is better off without him.

To my knowledge GOTG v2 is the only MCU movie that has a Writer/Director, and that is a huge win in my book. There are other Disney Writer/Director movies out there, but there's a world's difference between one such as Rian Johnson's The Last Jedi, and James Gunn's GOTG v2.

Deleted member 1248 · Jul 21, 2018

Alienous said:
But the alternative is you yourself act on a double standard. Even more so than a firing they would want this situation to read as hypocritical.

People having their names attached to comments as irreverent as Gunn's are a rarity. It seems to me that you can approach those as you would in any other context, and though the alt-right will celebrate it as a victory it's something they can only replicate against people who actually have comments attached to their name that would get a person fired from most organizations. That might be 0.1% of people they want to target? 0.01%?

No, sticking up for Gunn and sticking up for someone like Rosanne are different situations, because only one has actually demonstrated a willingness and ability to improve. We would not be acting on a double standard. We'd be showing that we actually value the attempt and display of improvement.

Wololo · Jul 21, 2018

Extreme Tactician said:
No they aren't. Like it or not, the MCU is worse off without the guy who directed two of their best movies.

And how excatly was Thor Ragnarok a better Guardians movie? It sure as heck wasn't a space opera movie.

Ragnarok had better comedy than volume 2 by a mile. Gunn got a head of himself and over did the comedy. Jokes ran on too long. Im glad someone else will get a.chance. black panther also had better characters and action than volume 2. Gunn also ruined Drax hes not drax the destroyer hes drax the joker

astro · Jul 21, 2018

Kapten said:
But they are still siding with other shitty humans who are worse? Where is the consistency?

They are thinking about bringing sexual harasser John Lasseter back.

They are working with wife-abuser and druguser Johnny Depp.

They are working with Robert Downey Jr who has quite the history of substance-abuse and jailtime.

Thomas Schumacher is still the president of their theatrical arm, even though there has been reports about sexual harassament from him too.

In my opinion, if Gunn is fired, so should these shitty people.

RDJ isn't even close. Intellectual dishonesty is off the charts!

Laserdisk · Jul 21, 2018

astro said:
RDJ isn't even close. Intellectual dishonesty is off the charts!

Close to what?

astro · Jul 21, 2018

Laserdisk said:
Close to what?

I don't understand the confusion.

Funky Papa · Jul 21, 2018

Disney was fully aware of his sense of humour years ago.

That's why they hired him for Guardians of the Galaxy.

They wanted an edgier director that also happened to be experienced with more family-friendly films and Gunn was the perfect fit for that. He already apologised YEARS AGO, back during the first GotG film, going as far as to delete some entries from his personal blog, so this is not a revelation or anything. He owned it. Disney was doubly aware. There was a bit of a booh-booh because of that, but hey, it's not like it was a secret or anything. Time passed. He was then hired again, right away, for GotG2. Because Disney didn't give a fuck, nor they should.

Then, just a couple of days ago the same disbarred piece of shit who promoted Pizzagate made a huge ruckus after Gunn shat on Trump, and Disney decided that NOW, that was an unforgivable sin.

So just be clear about this. Gunn, known for being the director of Tromeo and Juliet, Slither and Super, the same person who wrote an R-rated script for Scooby Doo, who's friends with pornstars and hires said pornstars for his projects, was hired by Disney, fully aware of all that, to develop the edgier franchise of the MCU. And then, the leading figure of the goddamn Pizzagate controversy, had him fired because of some unfunny tweets from a decade ago that are nowhere more offensive than anything ever said in South Park.

And well meaning progressives are cheering, because oh, the outrage.

Let all of that sink in.

Kapten · Jul 21, 2018

astro said:
RDJ isn't even close. Intellectual dishonesty is off the charts!

Did Gunn beat up his girlfriend in the past like RDJ?

I just think that if they are going to fire someone for something said 7 years ago, why not do the same with people who did other things than jokes?

I believe people can change. Just look at RDJ and Gunn. They have shown amazing growth and proven that they CAN change and are better people for it.

And me personally feel; neither Gunn nor RDJ should be fired. But if that IS the case, then Disney should uphold the same standard for everyone they work with and fire people who did even worse things in the past than make a few jokes.

But if Gunn is considered "shitty" by the poster I replied to, then RDJ would be aswell, right? Hence why I got him in there.

Choppasmith · Jul 21, 2018

CrimzonSamurai said:
Keep Gunn and RDJ and fire Depp and Lasseter. Judge people by the current state of affairs instead of solely on their past.

Basically that it's unfair to use RDJ in comparison to Depp specifically, for the original post.

This is what I agree with. I mean I won't blame Disney if they want to hold up this decision but I think when Monday rolls around I hope they reconsider and look it at as an old mistake that he's long since put behind him. More people like Pratt and maybe even Feige might show support for him by then too.

Crocks · Jul 21, 2018

Chumley said:
Exactly.

When did the left become obsessed with destroying their own? Why did it happen, and how has it substantively made life better?

That's basically the history of the left, though. It's always torn itself apart. It's what the first 25 years of the Soviet Union were about. It's what the "Judean People's Front" joke in Life of Brian was about. I think itsi because each group and each actor genuinely believes they're the most virtuous and thus any deviation from what they believe is worse.

astro · Jul 21, 2018

Kapten said:
Did Gunn beat up his girlfriend in the past like RDJ?

I just think that if they are going to fire someone for something said 7 years ago, why not do the same with people who did other things than jokes?

I believe people can change. Just look at RDJ and Gunn. They have shown amazing growth and proven that they CAN change and are better people for it.

And me personally feel; neither Gunn nor RDJ should be fired. But if that IS the case, then Disney should uphold the same standard for everyone they work with and fire people who did even worse things in the past than make a few jokes.

But if Gunn is considered "shitty" by the poster I replied to, then RDJ would be aswell, right? Hence why I got him in there.

Gunn wasn't on that list tiger, calm down.

TastyBurger666 · Jul 21, 2018

Typhoon20 said:
uhmm really?
Black Panther, Ragnarok just a couple of their last ones. Far superior to anything Gunn did. Heck, Ragnarok is a better Guardians movie than GOTG.
And GOTG2 was a step down.

I would say that the MCU is better off without him.

Take all the 'Wakanda' symbolism away and it's a very flat movie, and Gunn was involved with the production of Ragnarok.

Let's not forget while we're airing all of Disney's mis-deeds, this is the same company that bankrolled Harvey Weinstein himself and helped set up and then purchased Miramax - how much did they know about him and turn a blind eye to?

Rust · Jul 21, 2018

Typhoon20 said:
Well you're not wrong. They're all evil. Rather not side with any of them. This isnt the first time Gunn said some disgusting stuff. And he apologized again because he got caught. As you pointed out the hypocrisy is obvious. Gunn just didnt have enough power to be overlooked.

What about the time where he apologised for them unprompted, without being caught?

SilentRob said:
It's pretty clear to me he's talking in general about his past behaviour and jokes, but even if he didn't, he talked a lot about his jokes and apoligized for them in other interviews, too. This one is from Buzzfeed, 2017. He even starts talking about it completely unprovoked.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/...f-the-galaxy?utm_term=.swAkQP2e0g#.vv4PRV64kX

Kapten · Jul 21, 2018

astro said:
Gunn wasn't on that list tiger, calm down.

Oh, I meant that was why I put RDJ on the list since he also has history spanning a few years.

Alienous · Jul 21, 2018

The Kree said:
No, sticking up for Gunn and sticking up for someone like Rosanne are different situations, because only one has actually demonstrated a willingness and ability to improve. We would not be acting on a double standard. We'd be showing that we actually value the attempt and display of improvement.

Hmm. Rosanne does bring up a good point, considering that it wasn't the irreverent Holocaust joke, about a decade ago, that got her fired from her job, but the more recent racist comments.

I wasn't really thinking of her when considering double standards, more so just how the subject matter of Gunn's attempts at humor could be seen as off-limits in any context, but you're right - Gunn's case wouldn't have needed to be about anything other than Gunn's demonstrated improvement of character.

Ravensmash · Jul 21, 2018

There's an interesting discussion to be had about how society acts with things like this going forward - especially as its only going to become more and more common as the online world continues to develop.

Not relating to these jokes specifically, but just in general.

Salty Rice · Jul 21, 2018

Wingfan19 said:

Great to see Dave Bautista is stepping up.

Hope more gonna do and not be cowards.

vhoanox · Jul 21, 2018

Funky Papa said:
Disney was fully aware of his sense of humour years ago.

That's why they hired him for Guardians of the Galaxy.

They wanted an edgier director that also happened to be experienced with more family-friendly films and Gunn was the perfect fit for that. He already apologised YEARS AGO, back during the first GotG film, going as far as to delete some entries from his personal blog, so this is not a revelation or anything. He owned it. Disney was doubly aware. There was a bit of a booh-booh because of that, but hey, it's not like it was a secret or anything. Time passed. He was then hired again, right away, for GotG2. Because Disney didn't give a fuck, nor they should.

Then, just a couple of days ago the same disbarred piece of shit who promoted Pizzagate made a huge ruckus after Gunn shat on Trump, and Disney decided that NOW, that was an unforgivable sin.

So just be clear about this. Gunn, known for being the director of Tromeo and Juliet, Slither and Super, the same person who wrote an R-rated script for Scooby Doo, who's friends with pornstars and hires said pornstars for his projects, was hired by Disney, fully aware of all that, to develop the edgier franchise of the MCU. And then, the leading figure of the goddamn Pizzagate controversy, had him fired because of some unfunny tweets from a decade ago that are nowhere more offensive that anything ever said in South Park.

And well meaning progressives are cheering, because oh, the outrage.

Let all of that sink in.

Alan Horn, WD studios chairman gave a statement so I guess this is his doing. I dont know if Kevin Feige had any say in this. Although we usually talked about Disney as one entity, everything related to MCU include hiring directors is Kevin Feige job. I wonder how he feels about this.

Funky Papa · Jul 21, 2018

Rust said:
What about the time where he apologised for them unprompted, without being caught?

As I said, everything abount Gunn was well known both to Disney and film fans. He was hired for it, not in spite of it. There was no outrage. It was fine. He never harmed a fly and his South Park style of edgelord humour was very, very public.

Then Disney decided that human scum like Cernovich and his army of alt-right trolls are too precious to offend them.

The message is fucking terrifying.

And some goody two shoes progressives are happy with it, because for them tone policing is the issue of our generation.

Trafalgar Law · Jul 21, 2018

Alice said:
The Alt-Right uses us to turn something old into an outrage and people fucking celebrate when they win. This is goddamn infuriating and sickening.

Disney were right to fire the dude
Changing now doesn't mean consequences from that time shouldn't happen

Alexandros · Jul 21, 2018

Funky Papa said:
Let all of that sink in.

It's the world we live in. Disney doesn't want any controversy surrounding its family-friendly MCU brand. This was going to blow up and they had to get ahead of it. It doesn't really matter if it's fair or not.

CrimzonSamurai · Jul 21, 2018

Trafalgar Law said:
Disney were right to fire the dude
Changing now doesn't mean consequences from that time shouldn't happen

Disney was well aware of the comments at the time of his hiring. He has apologized and owned up to them, years ago even. Saying consequences should be dealt out for years old infractions is anathema to the concepts of both rehabilitation and self-improvement.

Deleted member 888 · Jul 21, 2018

Ravensmash said:
There's an interesting discussion to be had about how society acts with things like this going forward - especially as its only going to become more and more common as the online world continues to develop.

Not relating to these jokes specifically, but just in general.

Most people will scrub their social media accounts, or those already in positions of fame will probably less and less frequently do anything other than their feeds being advertising for products.

Slowly but surely the human element of social media will be eradicated. Its just not worth it. Scrub it, go private or stop using it. Though many with fame will have it required to be used for marketing/PR/announcements.

Funky Papa · Jul 21, 2018

Alexandros said:
It's the world we live in. Disney doesn't want any controversy surrounding its family-friendly MCU brand. This was going to blow up and they had to get ahead of it. It doesn't really matter if it's fair or not.

Gunn's tweets became VERY public back when he was hired for the first GotG film. They already blew up years ago.

This is Disney reacting to the faux concerns of some very specific groups of people waging a campaign against him for political reasons.

astro · Jul 21, 2018

Gunn has grown. His "jokes" were disgusting, but they weren't aimed at anyone in a malicious way. He has gorwn since, and has plenty of people referencing his good nature. Not seen a single story or claim to suggest his edgelord humour had anything more nefarious behind it.

Had he started spewing that shit post-GotG, I'd be all for this.

As it was years ago and the guy has obviously grown, this entire thing is a sham.

This is how you lose support for actual situations that need action.

I think this is probably part of the plan of those who were involved in instigating this, too. Something like:

1. Guy insults their beloved leader
2. They dredge up past problematic tweets
3. They get the guy fired
4. "Outrage culture is a fucking joke!"

Not that this makes any sense under scrutiny for a variety of reasons, but when did that ever matter?

TastyBurger666 · Jul 21, 2018

Kapten said:
Never really said anything stupid, as far as I know.

But constantly coked up, pumped with heroin andmeth meth, driving around shitloads of drugs with a loaded Magnum, and high as a kite breaking into his neighbours home to sleep there.

This went on for quite a few years.

Oh, and beat up his girlfriend in 1996 as the guy above postes.

He once told a Judge he took drugs because it was 'like having a loaded gun in my mouth, and I like the taste of metal'.

Unfortunately, RDJ is a product of his upbringing, but he successfully turned that around and is reaping the rewards, but even he wouldn't pretend to be blemish-free.

kadotsu · Jul 21, 2018

TastyBurger666 said:
He once told a Judge he took drugs because it was 'like having a loaded gun in my mouth, and I like the taste of metal'.

Unfortunately, RDJ is a product of his upbringing, but he successfully turned that around and is reaping the rewards, but even he wouldn't pretend to be blemish-free.

So you are saying he should be fired, too?

SurrenderDorothy · Jul 21, 2018

SilentRob said:
You know, I'm pretty much always one of the guys calling shit out, someone who has no patience for this kind of stuff. But realising in this thread that for some of you all this never really was about accountability or making people realise their mistakes or acknowledging their change and their apologies...but that it's instead just about coming down with the hammer and calling people out, no matter the context is kind of an eye-opener. The dude was his own biggest critic. He NEVER hid these tweets, these jokes, he never ran away from what he said. He often talked about it unprovoked and how uncomfortable he is with how he was back then, how much better he feels these days. His words and deeds have proven him to be an ally who fights for the rights of others, even when confronted by immense hate.

To see that none of this matter to some, very simply because the dude made offensive jokes almost a decade ago is...I honestly don't know what it is. It makes me question a few things because it makes me realize that you and I do not at all want the same thing when we normally call this behaviour out. For me, it's about weeding out the racists, the sexists, the people intending to harm others and change society in ways that will benefit them and hurt or repress others. It's about showing that even offensive jokes can have meaning and hurt people. If that person realises that and honestly apologizes for it, making it clear for years and years that he came around and is staunchly on the right side of history...what benefit, exactly, do you get by going "Nah, still, fuck you"? Because to me it very simply feels like a self-righteous, nonsensical version of mob justice that doesn't indent to actually make anything better, but simply to hurt and shun. And I am 100% sure that I would find some kind of offensive, bad taste joke or statement or angry posts in your history of forum posts and personal anecdotes. So am I. I definitely made jokes just as bad as this at some points of my life. Do I deserve to lose my livelyhood because of that? No matter if that at all represents me and what I do and who I am now? Do you deserve that?

Best post in this thread.

Alice · Jul 21, 2018

Trafalgar Law said:
Disney were right to fire the dude
Changing now doesn't mean consequences from that time shouldn't happen

Bullshit. He had already apologized for these things in the past, and had changed before they even fucking hired him. Either you pay attention to the context, or stay out of this debate. Gunn had already faced and dealt with consequences for it several years ago.

Alexandros · Jul 21, 2018

Funky Papa said:
This is Disney reacting to the faux concerns of some very specific groups of people waging a campaign against him for political reasons.

Yes. As I said, that's the world we live in. Internet mobs have a lot of power.

CloudWolf · Jul 21, 2018

Trafalgar Law said:
Disney were right to fire the dude
Changing now doesn't mean consequences from that time shouldn't happen

So everybody should be held accountable (and fireable) for jokes they made ten years ago? It's not like James Gunn raped a kid or killed someone, he made some shitty jokes on Twitter ten years ago. I probably made shitty, homophobic jokes ten years ago, does that make me a shithead for all eternity?

Mass_Pincup · Jul 21, 2018

Perfect exemple of what non far right people means when they talk about the outrage culture.

People more interested in calling out someone than on the positive effect that such action would bring.

His jokes were distasteful and unfunny. He apologized and showed that he changed. What's the point in coming after him now?

And I don't really fault Disney here because as a company they need to act according to current societal views. An outrage like that is bad for business and after the Roseanne fiasco they were right to act quickly.

Ramathevoice · Jul 21, 2018

SilentRob said:
You know, I'm pretty much always one of the guys calling shit out, someone who has no patience for this kind of stuff. But realising in this thread that for some of you all this never really was about accountability or making people realise their mistakes or acknowledging their change and their apologies...but that it's instead just about coming down with the hammer and calling people out, no matter the context is kind of an eye-opener. The dude was his own biggest critic. He NEVER hid these tweets, these jokes, he never ran away from what he said. He often talked about it unprovoked and how uncomfortable he is with how he was back then, how much better he feels these days. His words and deeds have proven him to be an ally who fights for the rights of others, even when confronted by immense hate.

To see that none of this matter to some, very simply because the dude made offensive jokes almost a decade ago is...I honestly don't know what it is. It makes me question a few things because it makes me realize that you and I do not at all want the same thing when we normally call this behaviour out. For me, it's about weeding out the racists, the sexists, the people intending to harm others and change society in ways that will benefit them and hurt or repress others. It's about showing that even offensive jokes can have meaning and hurt people. If that person realises that and honestly apologizes for it, making it clear for years and years that he came around and is staunchly on the right side of history...what benefit, exactly, do you get by going "Nah, still, fuck you"? Because to me it very simply feels like a self-righteous, nonsensical version of mob justice that doesn't indent to actually make anything better, but simply to hurt and shun. And I am 100% sure that I would find some kind of offensive, bad taste joke or statement or angry posts in your history of forum posts and personal anecdotes. So am I. I definitely made jokes just as bad as this at some points of my life. Do I deserve to lose my livelyhood because of that? No matter if that at all represents me and what I do and who I am now? Do you deserve that?

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And yes I know this post has been quoted above, but it needs to be hammered into some people's brains. Should be at the top of every page IMO.

Dreamboum · Jul 21, 2018

SilentRob said:
You know, I'm pretty much always one of the guys calling shit out, someone who has no patience for this kind of stuff. But realising in this thread that for some of you all this never really was about accountability or making people realise their mistakes or acknowledging their change and their apologies...but that it's instead just about coming down with the hammer and calling people out, no matter the context is kind of an eye-opener. The dude was his own biggest critic. He NEVER hid these tweets, these jokes, he never ran away from what he said. He often talked about it unprovoked and how uncomfortable he is with how he was back then, how much better he feels these days. His words and deeds have proven him to be an ally who fights for the rights of others, even when confronted by immense hate.

To see that none of this matter to some, very simply because the dude made offensive jokes almost a decade ago is...I honestly don't know what it is. It makes me question a few things because it makes me realize that you and I do not at all want the same thing when we normally call this behaviour out. For me, it's about weeding out the racists, the sexists, the people intending to harm others and change society in ways that will benefit them and hurt or repress others. It's about showing that even offensive jokes can have meaning and hurt people. If that person realises that and honestly apologizes for it, making it clear for years and years that he came around and is staunchly on the right side of history...what benefit, exactly, do you get by going "Nah, still, fuck you"? Because to me it very simply feels like a self-righteous, nonsensical version of mob justice that doesn't indent to actually make anything better, but simply to hurt and shun. And I am 100% sure that I would find some kind of offensive, bad taste joke or statement or angry posts in your history of forum posts and personal anecdotes. So am I. I definitely made jokes just as bad as this at some points of my life. Do I deserve to lose my livelyhood because of that? No matter if that at all represents me and what I do and who I am now? Do you deserve that?

Let it be said that there are a fuck TON of people who knows the language and the climate to tiptoe around this and not get themselves in a situation to be called out while still being abject human beings in every way even today. This has never been about weeding out anybody, this has always been about making enough noise and make something happen to pat yourself on the back over.

Literally the only thing we are doing is throwing out the people who has shown a willingness to change under the bus, while leaving the real wolves out there untouched and with even more freedom to control the industry as they like to.

Dandy · Jul 21, 2018

Everyone should delete their Twitter accounts. No good can come of them.

Deleted member 21380 · Jul 21, 2018

Ramathevoice said:
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And yes I know this post has been quoted above, but it needs to be hammered into some people's brains. Should be at the top of every page IMO.

Should be on the top of a lot of threads in the future, too. In bright red text.

Laserdisk · Jul 21, 2018

Dandy said:
Everyone should delete their Twitter accounts. No good can come of them.

Tom Cruise followed me the other day, that was neat.

Praxis · Jul 21, 2018

People on Twitter now accusing him of being an actual pedophile... because he made some tasteless jokes. Can't make this shit up.

I didn't even like GoTG, so I'm not protecting a precious trilogy here or whatever, but some of you outrage junkies need to get a grip.

Deleted member 1067 · Jul 21, 2018

SurrenderDorothy said:
Best post in this thread.

For a lot of people, even if they don't realize it consciously, it's just about wanting to see the world burn for a bit.

Internet hate mobs are just an extension of the same violent bloodlust that have fueled some of the worst atrocities in human history. At a certain point it's just hard wired into us to join the mob and start burning shit, even if we stopped for a second and took a look around us it'd scare the shit out of any one of us on an individual level.

The main reason I closed my Twitter account is I did just that, and it frankly horrified me to see how little context I needed for an excuse to join the mob and pick up a torch to start burning things. I know a lot try and rationalize it as it's outrage for a good cause, but at a certain point things like what's happening to Gunn are just going to happen, and for me I couldn't justify being a part of something like that. Not judging anyone who has a Twitter account , that's just me.

Facism · Jul 21, 2018

Praxis said:
People on Twitter now accusing him of being an actual pedophile... because he made some tasteless jokes. Can't make this shit up.

I didn't even like GoTG, so I'm not protecting a precious trilogy here or whatever, but some of you outrage junkies need to get a grip.

Lots of trash people out there. As bad as those guys who think he should be punished in perpetuity for some bad jokes he made a decade ago.

vhoanox · Jul 21, 2018

Praxis said:
People on Twitter now accusing him of being an actual pedophile... because he made some tasteless jokes. Can't make this shit up.

I didn't even like GoTG, so I'm not protecting a precious trilogy here or whatever, but some of you outrage junkies need to get a grip.

Accused someone a pedo is a quickest way to turn a small fart into a hurricane. A tactic is used so often these because everyone is creepy and (sus).

Hydeus · Jul 21, 2018

Valiant said:
Back up my employee.

And how would you back up this exactly ?
"That was jokes ! "

zoukka · Jul 21, 2018

The age of social media. It's terrifying how little anyone cares about time, context or how a person behaves here and now. Imagine all the dumb shit you said when you were young being printed out and used to judge you here and now.

kadotsu · Jul 21, 2018

Hydeus said:
And how would you back up this exactly ?
"That was jokes ! "

For the millionth time, no one is defending the jokes. Especially not Gunn. He has shown for years that he has changed and that every apology of his regarding these jokes was and is sincere. At this point you are arguing in bad faith.

hans_castorp · Jul 21, 2018

SilentRob said:
You know, I'm pretty much always one of the guys calling shit out, someone who has no patience for this kind of stuff. But realising in this thread that for some of you all this never really was about accountability or making people realise their mistakes or acknowledging their change and their apologies...but that it's instead just about coming down with the hammer and calling people out, no matter the context is kind of an eye-opener. The dude was his own biggest critic. He NEVER hid these tweets, these jokes, he never ran away from what he said. He often talked about it unprovoked and how uncomfortable he is with how he was back then, how much better he feels these days. His words and deeds have proven him to be an ally who fights for the rights of others, even when confronted by immense hate.

To see that none of this matter to some, very simply because the dude made offensive jokes almost a decade ago is...I honestly don't know what it is. It makes me question a few things because it makes me realize that you and I do not at all want the same thing when we normally call this behaviour out. For me, it's about weeding out the racists, the sexists, the people intending to harm others and change society in ways that will benefit them and hurt or repress others. It's about showing that even offensive jokes can have meaning and hurt people. If that person realises that and honestly apologizes for it, making it clear for years and years that he came around and is staunchly on the right side of history...what benefit, exactly, do you get by going "Nah, still, fuck you"? Because to me it very simply feels like a self-righteous, nonsensical version of mob justice that doesn't indent to actually make anything better, but simply to hurt and shun. And I am 100% sure that I would find some kind of offensive, bad taste joke or statement or angry posts in your history of forum posts and personal anecdotes. So am I. I definitely made jokes just as bad as this at some points of my life. Do I deserve to lose my livelyhood because of that? No matter if that at all represents me and what I do and who I am now? Do you deserve that?

Quoting for visibility. This is one of the best post I've read in a long time.
Thank you for putting into words what many of us think.

Jobbs · Jul 21, 2018

Tired of this idea that if you say the wrong thing at any point in your life you have to go away forever.

When I was young I said some dumb and regrettable things that I'd never say now. I've changed, my understanding of the world is better, my perspective is different, and my empathy for others has grown. I'm sure this is the case with a lot of people.

They were dumb/gross jokes but it takes a lot more than that to make someone irredeemable.

Hydeus · Jul 21, 2018

kadotsu said:
For the millionth time, no one is defending the jokes. Especially not Gunn. He has shown for years that he has changed and that every apology of his regarding these jokes was and is sincere. At this point you are arguing in bad faith.

As a rule a thumb, words fade away but written statements endure.

They couldn't back him up. Fact.

Hydeus · Jul 21, 2018

CrimzonSamurai said:
Disney was well aware of the comments at the time of his hiring. He has apologized and owned up to them, years ago even. Saying consequences should be dealt out for years old infractions is anathema to the concepts of both rehabilitation and self-improvement.

Are you sure the big boss at Disney knew these obscur comments ?

Sadist · Jul 21, 2018

Didn't see this yesterday. But yikes.

A ten years younger James Gunn apparantly was a dick and if he apologized for it, thats fine. But these internetmobs... they're shit as well.

Its a shame people are so easily tempted into mob mentality.

CrimzonSamurai · Jul 21, 2018

Hydeus said:
Are you sure the big boss at Disney knew these obscur comments ?

They were in the news when he was hired for the first GOTG, so yes. They were also aware and accepting of his very public apologies until Gorilla Mentality and his thugs came calling to avenge Roseanne.

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