This is still weird to me. Disney is definitely not the company to work for if you want to be transgressive I guess
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Disney severs ties with James Gunn after controversial tweets
- Thread starter Sibersk Esto
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Yes. He was called out in 2012, apologized, changed his behavior, and was forgiven. He was very open about all of this and they hired him perhaps because of its since it's Guardians.
For the most part, those in the right continue to post shitty things on Twitter and make no effort to better themselves. In Gunn's case, he has acknowledged and apologized for his tweets; moreover, he has made an effort to better himself (as far as I know).
Sorry, I was asking facetiously. My main point was that Disney knew, one way or another.
I think this the biggest reason for them cutting him off so fast
No, I'm not talking about some random dude you cherry picked because you think it somehow negates my argument.
IIRC usually they just agree to a role swap or something to avoid a nasty legal battle. ie Chris Pratt walks from Guardians but agrees to headline another movie for Disney sometime in the next several years.
I believe Ed Norton only did The Italian Job way back when because he owed it to Paramount as settlement for a breach of contract on a different movie.
I think alt-right Gamergating neo-Nazis were going to dig up whatever shit they could find on anyone not aligned with their agenda regardless of what Disney did here.
Ah, that's my bad. There are a lot of drive-by posts in this thread so it's hard to tell who knows what.
That, and SDCC going on right now. Media is focused on them.
That's all good. I have a bad tendency to make shorter, less clear posts when theads move as fast as this one. It's definitely a my-bad.
Small bit of information that tends to be left out about the 2012 petition and subsequent apology is that they weren't over Twitter posts. They were over his blog posts from 2011. Link to the old petition and original articles,
https://www.change.org/p/marvel-studios-remove-james-gunn-from-guardians-of-the-galaxy-movie
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/marvels-guardians-galaxy-director-draws-395184
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796
This is the first time the old Tweets drew attention. So, yeah. While he deleted the blog post, Twitter was unrelated and he didn't think to delete those as well. But that said, the blog is not out of character with those old Tweets. If Disney was aware of these petitions and such, it should've clued them in.
To be honest, I don't remember how prolific Twitter was in 2011 or earlier that people would understand the repercussions of what's out there.
He was hired before the petition. That's why the petition happened.
It depends. Most people in the world still have no idea who Feige is. He is very valuable to Disney but I'm not sure Disney sees him as indispensable. It's not the same thing as the very well-known celebrity stars standing up.
We also have no idea how much Feige was or wasn't involved with this decision and has or hasn't been fighting about it internally anyway.
You're probably right, but unless they do he's not coming back. That's all I'm saying.
Yes. If Chris and Zoe stand up and say something it might do something. But they'd probably have to back up what they're saying with some sort of threat. Like what Batista said is great but if he's going to do GotG 3 regardless it doesn't have a lot of weight.
Yes, they can breach their contracts. Which they would have to pay for monetarily, but all of those actors are pretty good for it. It's a significant hypothetical anyways though because I don't think Disney would want to appear to be going against all of their principals which are major public figures and/or actually get into a dispute with them. They'd be tanking their billion dollar franchise.
If you're someone they don't like, alt-righters posting on this forum will try to dox you on other sites. The other poster is saying don't give out identifying info or say dumb shit.
Ha, well yeah that's an option too. But if that were to happen, I imagine it'd be months from now.
It's also possible that Gunn would ask the rest of the cast not to protest and walk from the movie on his behalf too, but who knows.
Huh, interesting.
His apology seems to be for all of his social media presence. I'm happy to include the tweets as I'm sure Disney was aware of them, or at least very similar content. I could be wrong about that, I suppose.
i'll never feel good seeing a disney or marvel movie again. i'm sure they'll miss my 11 dollars 4 times a year.
Because people who catch shit for saying dumb stuff on social media pretty universally apologize for their prior behaviour. Which is then mostly looked at as "Oh, she's sorry she got caught". It's interesting that the answer changes person to person. There's clearly no real line. It just differs person to person. But I know its not apologies. We get those from people all the time and noone starts screaming about leaving these people alone.
What a terrible choice on Disney's part. If there is a GotG 3, I'll wait to watch it on Netflix.
He's spent the past 6 years making good on that apology. That's why he was targeted by the worst people on the Internet in the first place.
That feels slightly paranoid to me. I mean posting who you really are and your occupation on a mostly anonymous forum is dumb in any case, if there are alt-righters here why not identify them to the staff?
I mean, as it should. Different levels of offensive deserve different levels of apology and behavior following the apology. There's no binary here, as simple as that would be.
Doesn't matter how much the public knows. Disney execs (and everyone else in Hollywood) damn well know how valuable Feige is. Everyone in town has been falling down for the past five years just trying to recreate the success of The Avengers from 2012 and meanwhile Feige keeps one upping himself and making it look easy.
That's true.
It's a thing that happens. The fact that you can't tell is why that other poster issued a warning.
Disney streaming service is going to be up by then, so probably won't be on Netflix heh.
I feel like there's a massive difference between a half handed apology the moment you got caught and apologizing for something as innocuous as dumb jokes years before they became a news headline.
What did he do for 6 years other than make marvel movies people like? Did he donate to any sexual abuse charities? The guy voiced support for NAMBLA, mocked people with AIDS, joked about raping his friend, joked about children having facials, used disgusting language.
Is it really hard to see why some people wouldn't want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt when hollywood has a pretty shitty track record of sexual assault and abuse. I dont find his jokes funny, i wont necessarily cheer on his firing, but i wont lose sleep over it.
Who determines if the apology is half handed? Is it solely the amount of time that passes? An apology for something 3 years or more ago is genuine, but if you apologize on something that was just revealed today its half handed?
He's one of the most outspoken allies on Twitter. Again, that's why he was targeted.
His shitty track record ended over 6 years ago.
It's pretty clear to me he's talking in general about his past behaviour and jokes, but even if he didn't, he talked a lot about his jokes and apoligized for them in other interviews, too. This one is from Buzzfeed, 2017. He even starts talking about it completely unprovoked.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/...f-the-galaxy?utm_term=.swAkQP2e0g#.vv4PRV64kX
Also, thanks for all the feedback to the previous post. I'm not sure how I feel about all of this because I don't just want to be another of those guys crying about "outrage culture". I think it's REALLY important to call out destructive and hurtful behaviour. I think it's really important not to give PewDiePie a Pass the 52nd time he shouts the N-word. I think it's really important to take women seriously and believe them when they talk about their experiences thanks to metoo and be outraged and demand consequences. So...it's just a weird place to find myself in, to feel like that but to also feel like there is definitely something going on here with the way some in this thread handle their outrage and how their approach is equally as destructive and hurtful.
He apologized for it in 2012, vowed to stop, and kept the vow.
That's not my point. The biggest problems with those apologies, like the infamous Kevin Spacey one, is they don't really sound like apologies as much as excuses. The added factor of only doing so when it's a national news headline makes it all the more transparent.
That's true but generally with things like this corporations care most about public perception. That is the only reason Gunn was fired anyway. The head of Paramount TV was just canned yesterday. No one is untouchable. Not that Feige isn't much more important and powerful than Amy Powell, but anything could happen. Feige isn't going to be around forever regardless of what happens and he's far from the only person who has made Marvel's films so successful.
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Look at this FUD right here. I mean seriously...
Any chance you know when he started deleting the 10k old tweets? I found this post on reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/com...rs_ties_with_guardians_of_the_galaxy/#e2qq5in
PR is no longer a cut and paste job. Distancing yourself is no longer a viable strategy. It's interesting how these things evolve.
Also interesting how POTUS isn't even held to that standard. What a strange thing we've created, is it good to be pure or handicapping? Perhaps those lacking nuance will settle on some.
Also interesting how POTUS isn't even held to that standard. What a strange thing we've created, is it good to be pure or handicapping? Perhaps those lacking nuance will settle on some.
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So the line would be having apologize for the specific offense prior. I can see that being reasonable, as long as we extend it to everyone. Speaking to a previous post; if Kevin Spacey started getting roles again, but was by all reports on his best behaviour, then I would expect the community to be welcoming to him and extend him the chance to improve himself going forward; and not sneer and deride the fact that he got another chance at all. As long as that's the case it seems pretty reasonable to me.
That's not FUD at all. There are sites like Kiwi Farms that literally keep tabs on members of forums. Even going as far as coding scripts that record any posts a specific target makes.
Some things are universal. Saying weird creepo things with children involved is generally off-limits to every human being on this planet. Now you can have a clever joke and still touch on the subject but you see absolutely none of that from those tweets. There isn't subjectivity in "I like when little boys touch me in my silly place". How in the flying fuck is that funny?
There's also neofag on Voat and the Bore
Some people don't even bother to use different avatars or usernames because it's all forgive and forget over here lol
I think - and I said this before - that Kevin Space will - and should - get roles again, eventually, if he has truly shown to be a different person. This discussion happened before with other people. It's just that this kind of calling out with actual repercussions is kind of recent and we don't have many example of people who walked the walk.
James Gunn walked the walk and, as the poster you are responding to is saying, is one of the reasons why he is being targeted.
I think it should be an apology followed by actions that show you mean the apology and make up for your past transgressions. This is why you can't believe people whom immediately apologize after being caught, they haven't had the time to prove themselves yet. Rosanne went back to her racist self immediately for example.
I think using his influence to speak against the worst sort of people makes up for once being that kind of person himself, and he kept his word for years. I don't think Kevin Spacey can make up for raping a bunch of people.
I have seen veiled threats about people on here towards verified members. Shit isn't FUD. I'm a nobody, but even with that I never fully detail where I live. People know I'm a teacher from the Houston area, but hell nah if you think I would raise a flag and give my exact district.
The broader point that you don't seem to get or don't care about is context/time. This stuff was nearly a decade ago, he was making edgelord jokes and now he is being buried as a means of revenge.
You guys should take this post seriously. Just be careful, there is a handful of other websites that despise this place.
Says the nobody who's worried about being doxxed on an anonymous video game message board lol.
And then what?