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Cochese

Banned
Nov 14, 2017
6,960
I don't know if this could have been handled worse. I'm sure I'll be reprimanded for even saying that.

That kind of response is why people don't trust taking things private actually does anything.
 

tuxfool

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,858
I don't know if this could have been handled worse. I'm sure I'll be reprimanded for even saying that.

That kind of response is why people don't trust taking things private actually does anything.
Yeah that's the thing. I understand the theoretical benefits of doing this privately. It allows for a broader conversation between two parties without additional noise.

But getting an answer like that completely disproves in practice what in theory should be a good thing.
 

Deleted member 2171

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,731
Since I sent a PM on this matter and got no response, I'll just post the PM publically:

So I guess the lesson is it's okay to coordinate trolling Era off-site because anyone that proves you're doing it will eat a perma while you just roll a new alt.

So does like, the administration not understand you're basically mirroring the reason why minority communities tend to not report? I mean, the very fact that you banned the troll for the information jackpot provided and then banned them for bringing that information to you is pretty much a mirror of why people tend to not report stuff IRL. Either it gets ignored when brought privately, and when brought public they'll act on it and then find some way to ding the reporter to 'even up' for embarassing them. For supposedly recruiting the initial user wave off appealing to minority communities dogged for years by [redacted], enacting the same bullshit that lets minority communities be decorum'd to death by a thousand cuts is extremely disappointing.


After this PM was sent, we even have a thread that just showed up that's a perfect example of this behavior. Era's action is the Home Depot response. This is why nobody fucking buys the "send it to PMs" stanza, because you bury it like this forum administration buried their last shred of dignity when they turned their back on women and minorities just like every other goddamn 'ally' when they encounter friction.
 

Zonar

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
672
Arizona, USA
Since I sent a PM on this matter and got no response, I'll just post the PM publically:

So I guess the lesson is it's okay to coordinate trolling Era off-site because anyone that proves you're doing it will eat a perma while you just roll a new alt.

So does like, the administration not understand you're basically mirroring the reason why minority communities tend to not report? I mean, the very fact that you banned the troll for the information jackpot provided and then banned them for bringing that information to you is pretty much a mirror of why people tend to not report stuff IRL. Either it gets ignored when brought privately, and when brought public they'll act on it and then find some way to ding the reporter to 'even up' for embarassing them. For supposedly recruiting the initial user wave off appealing to minority communities dogged for years by [redacted], enacting the same bullshit that lets minority communities be decorum'd to death by a thousand cuts is extremely disappointing.


After this PM was sent, we even have a thread that just showed up that's a perfect example of this behavior. Era's action is the Home Depot response. This is why nobody fucking buys the "send it to PMs" stanza, because you bury it like this forum administration buried their last shred of dignity when they turned their back on women and minorities just like every other goddamn 'ally' when they encounter friction.
I agree with this.
 

uzipukki

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,722
Since I sent a PM on this matter and got no response, I'll just post the PM publically:

So I guess the lesson is it's okay to coordinate trolling Era off-site because anyone that proves you're doing it will eat a perma while you just roll a new alt.

So does like, the administration not understand you're basically mirroring the reason why minority communities tend to not report? I mean, the very fact that you banned the troll for the information jackpot provided and then banned them for bringing that information to you is pretty much a mirror of why people tend to not report stuff IRL. Either it gets ignored when brought privately, and when brought public they'll act on it and then find some way to ding the reporter to 'even up' for embarassing them. For supposedly recruiting the initial user wave off appealing to minority communities dogged for years by [redacted], enacting the same bullshit that lets minority communities be decorum'd to death by a thousand cuts is extremely disappointing.


After this PM was sent, we even have a thread that just showed up that's a perfect example of this behavior. Era's action is the Home Depot response. This is why nobody fucking buys the "send it to PMs" stanza, because you bury it like this forum administration buried their last shred of dignity when they turned their back on women and minorities just like every other goddamn 'ally' when they encounter friction.
Yep.
 

ody

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
16,116
Since I sent a PM on this matter and got no response, I'll just post the PM publically:

So I guess the lesson is it's okay to coordinate trolling Era off-site because anyone that proves you're doing it will eat a perma while you just roll a new alt.

So does like, the administration not understand you're basically mirroring the reason why minority communities tend to not report? I mean, the very fact that you banned the troll for the information jackpot provided and then banned them for bringing that information to you is pretty much a mirror of why people tend to not report stuff IRL. Either it gets ignored when brought privately, and when brought public they'll act on it and then find some way to ding the reporter to 'even up' for embarassing them. For supposedly recruiting the initial user wave off appealing to minority communities dogged for years by [redacted], enacting the same bullshit that lets minority communities be decorum'd to death by a thousand cuts is extremely disappointing.


After this PM was sent, we even have a thread that just showed up that's a perfect example of this behavior. Era's action is the Home Depot response. This is why nobody fucking buys the "send it to PMs" stanza, because you bury it like this forum administration buried their last shred of dignity when they turned their back on women and minorities just like every other goddamn 'ally' when they encounter friction.
Ding!
 

The Adder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,130
Since I sent a PM on this matter and got no response, I'll just post the PM publically:

So I guess the lesson is it's okay to coordinate trolling Era off-site because anyone that proves you're doing it will eat a perma while you just roll a new alt.

So does like, the administration not understand you're basically mirroring the reason why minority communities tend to not report? I mean, the very fact that you banned the troll for the information jackpot provided and then banned them for bringing that information to you is pretty much a mirror of why people tend to not report stuff IRL. Either it gets ignored when brought privately, and when brought public they'll act on it and then find some way to ding the reporter to 'even up' for embarassing them. For supposedly recruiting the initial user wave off appealing to minority communities dogged for years by [redacted], enacting the same bullshit that lets minority communities be decorum'd to death by a thousand cuts is extremely disappointing.


After this PM was sent, we even have a thread that just showed up that's a perfect example of this behavior. Era's action is the Home Depot response. This is why nobody fucking buys the "send it to PMs" stanza, because you bury it like this forum administration buried their last shred of dignity when they turned their back on women and minorities just like every other goddamn 'ally' when they encounter friction.
And let the church say amen.

(I was arguing about this exact problem to the administration in the suggestion topic while actively being brigaded, btw. I'll dig that up later.)
 

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,542
Since I sent a PM on this matter and got no response, I'll just post the PM publically:

So I guess the lesson is it's okay to coordinate trolling Era off-site because anyone that proves you're doing it will eat a perma while you just roll a new alt.

So does like, the administration not understand you're basically mirroring the reason why minority communities tend to not report? I mean, the very fact that you banned the troll for the information jackpot provided and then banned them for bringing that information to you is pretty much a mirror of why people tend to not report stuff IRL. Either it gets ignored when brought privately, and when brought public they'll act on it and then find some way to ding the reporter to 'even up' for embarassing them. For supposedly recruiting the initial user wave off appealing to minority communities dogged for years by [redacted], enacting the same bullshit that lets minority communities be decorum'd to death by a thousand cuts is extremely disappointing.


After this PM was sent, we even have a thread that just showed up that's a perfect example of this behavior. Era's action is the Home Depot response. This is why nobody fucking buys the "send it to PMs" stanza, because you bury it like this forum administration buried their last shred of dignity when they turned their back on women and minorities just like every other goddamn 'ally' when they encounter friction.

I'm extremely annoyed and disappointed that your response was to post the PM you sent me less than twenty hours after you sent it. I was tired from a long day at work yesterday, and I'm sorry I didn't immediately get you a response in one day. If that's a problem, I apologize for it.

In general, I would ask for grace given to when PMs are sent. It can take some time for PMs to get replied to, particularly for myself where I have any number of things going on in a daily basis. I understand that this is a topic which you feel passionately about, but please extend some patience in the future to any messages.

It should be noted that these kind of actions do not promote cooperative, conductive communication between staff and members. Such actions only serve to drive a wedge between staff and members, preventing us as staff from having dialog and discussing subjects in manners and ways that we should be able to with you as members. I would urge you to keep this in mind the next time you are considering such actions.

That being said, my reply to your PM is this.
Hello, thank you for reaching out. First of all we'd like to correct the premise of your concern: The material dug up on Freedom Fighter had nothing to do with minorities, it was about Russian foreign policy and geopolitics. We made our stance on off site drama and internet sleuthing crystal clear from day one, and accordingly we do not believe that any members joined under false pretenses. We hope that clears things up.

As always, if you have questions about this or our policies, please PM an administrator such as myself or one of our mod captains, Hecht and Selina.

Additionally, since this thread seems to have become derailed into moderation discussion, we're locking this thread at this time.
 
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