Other minorities weren't made to be slaves in this country. I don't know what else you need to say.
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Sam Harris tweets support for article claiming black people are poor because of their culture
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I know, we're all so smug and ignorant right?
This has nothing to do with him being an atheist. It has to do with him being a conservative douche-bag and closet racist.
Also, this is the very confused author of that shitty article:
He's going to become a darling of the right in no time. "See? Even black guys know it!"
Yeah I hate this shit. All the black men and women who've written and spoken countless times since Antebellum till today about race and racism and oppression and abuse of black Americans all backed up with facts, research, documentation etc. are all just wrong in their eyes while this random article that parrots ancient bullshit slave owners were saying is actually the untapped, hidden truth in their eyes. So damn transparent. Their agenda is to find minorities willing to ignore history to use to help them oppress more. It's so damn frustrating to watch fellow minorities feed into white supremacy so blatantly,I know, we're all so smug and ignorant right?
This has nothing to do with him being an atheist. It has to do with him being a conservative douche-bag and closet racist.
Also, this is the very confused author of that shitty article:
He's going to become a darling of the right in no time. "See? Even black guys know it!"
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How can you off the cuff make a better article then the dude who probably worked on it for weeks?
That is the perfect term for it
What the fuck? This is idiotic. Thomas Sowell wasn't born until 1930, he would be in his 20's in the 50's, long after slavery, the de facto major economic driving force if the confederacy economy ended, crippling the southern economy. In his time the south WAS poor. Not during slavery, obviously.
In 1860, when the confederacy was still full swing slave labor economy, had you considered it it's own independent country, it would be the fourth richest country in the world at it's time.
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Like Elon Musk, he has always been a cunt, people just looked the other way.
Thanks for this thread
You'd think this point would be fucking obvious but it's like has been mentioned: Facts like that have to outright be ignored in order to create the narrative this article wants to perpetuate.Kevin Bird said:
More choice quotes from this thread:
History literally shows that black people on top of just being denied opportunity were also literally under threat of death if they attempted to gain wealth in the same ways white people did.
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Gotcha. Okay, I just about gathered that; thank you for the clear explanations :)
"It's black culture that's the problem!" Is just one step removed from the "race realist" argument.
Self-ID'd skeptics: we're the only ones who demand a rigorous adherence to truth! To the principles of science! Everything must be questioned!
Also self-ID'd skeptics: well this poorly researched undergrad paper confirms my biases, sooooo.....
Also self-ID'd skeptics: well this poorly researched undergrad paper confirms my biases, sooooo.....
Hope Sam lets her do a pod. Would demonstrate a bit of that good faith he's been so keen on since the Vox debacle.
Lol jesus christ
What the fuck is it going to take
Harris out here blowing his dog whistle as hard as he can and people are still too naïve
Ouch. I only heard two podcasts on this: the one with Andrew Sullivan shortly post-election and the one with Sullivan and David Frum. The first had some Clinton-bashing (Sullivan hates them too and they just couldn't help themselves), but they were both very critical of Trump, calling him disastrous.
But I can believe his provocative inclinations have gotten the better of him more than a few times since then. Harris is completely enamored with the idea that when everyone looks left, one should always first look right (Even if just to get a rise out of those looking left).
Also, apparently many of Harris' followers were unpleasantly surprised that he didn't like Trump. So maybe he's started appeasing them.
Guys like Bill Maher / Sam Harris / Joe Rogan on their show or podcast:
"We have to be able to debate these ideas, they won't go away if we just ignore them."
Reality:
"We have to be able to debate these ideas, they won't go away if we just ignore them."
Reality:
Harris is a hack.
Though I'l be honest I am surprised how much of Era hates him as well, dude was a Clinton supporter, is a huge Trump critic and Bernie hater- basically the political allegiances most American ERA posters. I used to like him, but either because I've outgrown him and he always sucked or he became a lot more pretentious, I find him insufferable now. Easily the worst of the four horsemen, the others at least have made some significant contributions to academia.
Though I'l be honest I am surprised how much of Era hates him as well, dude was a Clinton supporter, is a huge Trump critic and Bernie hater- basically the political allegiances most American ERA posters. I used to like him, but either because I've outgrown him and he always sucked or he became a lot more pretentious, I find him insufferable now. Easily the worst of the four horsemen, the others at least have made some significant contributions to academia.
I think that's clearly seen when you step into the article's comments and just below the sophistry, navel gazing, and effusive praise is a bunch of "race realists" spouting their usual talking points about hereditarianism, IQ, and genetic destiny.
But one could also argue that the conditions black people have suffered due to colonialism, slavery...have negativitaly impacted on their culture and that it has been taken advantage of by predatory capitalism. I don't think a culture is incorruptible. Not saying that African American culture is corrupted - one could say it is the defining culture of our time. With that said Im sure a little bit of introspection is not a bad thing.
Black oppression isn't a one way street. You say this but don't entertain the idea that maybe committing those acts of rape, slavery, genocide, and oppression negatively impacted "white" culture and maybe it's white America that needs to do the introspection first before pointing the finger at the victims of their centuries of abuse.
I mean yeah but people who typically make this argument don't think this part all the way through and sometimes land on the "race realist" argument.
In case anyone needs more proof of Harris awfulness, go check his Twitter and look at who he associates with and retweets:
If you set different materials on fire, they might burn differently, but they're still on fire. The lighter here being poverty and the materials being culture. Discussing cultural correlation to socio economic outcomes, as if they are the cause and not a symptom, is hackish.
We know from research that poverty (especially of the generational kind) has shown to negatively affect all kinds of social groups in terms of decision making, health outcomes, etc. The way this manifests may look differently from group to group (things burn differently) but presenting this argument as if black Americans are uniquely or pathologically affected by poverty as a result of their culture is putting the cart in front of the horse. Like asking why a tumor causes cancer. It also begs the question: if the culture is driving or perpetuating poverty, why arent every other group flailing in poverty like us?
And that's a dumb questions cause lots of people in EVERY racial group in America are poor. Look at factors like health, education outcomes, decision making when it comes to money, levels of stress/anxiety, and shit looks bad when you look at poor white, Hispanic, Asian, and native folk. The question then becomes why are there disproportionality between poor people when you look at racial group, and there is ton of literature on why that. But poor people in GENERAL are doing bad. And the culture question is never accounting for that.
Many academics on the subject have already thoroughly debunked the essay.
I think the blatant racism he has exhibited for years has something to do with that.
I mean he has a point. Has there ever been a time in history where blacks actually came together to lift themselves economically and fasten those bootstraps. It's America I'm sure it would have been applauded by the white community.
We have people defending him in this very thread. Refusing to call him a racist but calling him someone that can sometimes ignore evidence.... Their defence game has evolved.
I believe there were fireworks
Dropped from planes
Onto the black owned businesses.
More people need to watch Vox's Explained documentary series on Netflix. The first episode goes into how the black population literally got fucked right after the end of slavery through a fear of "white backlash" and how a lack of wealth can have a negative effect on future generations.
Isn't that tweet praise for Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson? Since Jihadists are bad and I'm guessing the quote is referring to the fact that the conference would be hell for them...
It's a very good thread covering a "debate" between Harris and Peterson. Also don't read to much into a joke I guess.
That much should be obvious to people. A kid coming from a poor background being raised in a poor environment with poor schools poor employment rates and high crime is likely going to have shittier chances at life than a kid dealing with the inverse. You're basically asking that kid to jump through a burning hoop with out getting burnt without even teaching them gymnastics.
To people like Sam Harris they see those obstacles don't exist for some so they think it's the same for all. Hence the "bootstraps" argument and the flawed essay in the OP.
same harris never needed any "bootsraps" in his whole life
I think hes trying to say the room is full of virgins. I don't really know lol
Its mockery because there is no difference between Harris and Peterson arguing with each other versus drowning in a lake of fire.
I know I'm late but I know my dude. BWS is something I never get a correct response to when white people bring up that blacks should do more than complain about their economic anxiety and do something constructive in their community.