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Alanah Pearce - The ACTUAL Reason EA's E3 Conferences Always "Suck"

Kin5290

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Saw this video go up earlier, and honestly it makes me feel like she was wasted at IGN. Alanah raises some great points and, once again, reminds us that angry gamers on an internet forum do not actually know better about the video games industry than the games industry execs.
 
Jahranimo

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Is this the person that just left IGN? Regardless gonna give it a watch soon. Interested in this a lot.
 
Nateo

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Yep its entirely true. I've spoken to many devs from multiple EA studios and when they talk about their game publically its all red tape, they can't be free with what they speak everything is run through legal and is put under a microscope. While this can be said for almost any studio or publisher its a little different, they cant provide seasonal road maps or anything that steps far forward into the future and almost all news is given within a month or weeks of release and because of this their communties call them out on terrible communication which well is true. This is all because they are worried about upsetting stakeholders. The studios care about the end user sometimes but the rest of corporate cares about one thing only and its their stock price.
 
Phendrift

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Crazy how different some of the companies are

Reggie when Nintendo stock dropped: "don't really care, investors have been wrong about Nintendo a lot in the past"
 
Heisenburger

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What about the celebs they hire. Remember mourinho? Jesus Christ that was painful. Ea dropping millions paying celebs to do nothing per E3. I'll stake my reputation that nobody is buying these ea games, because they paid Jamie Foxx to run into a wall on battlefield one.
 

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I don't give a fuck about EA's money or their shareholders. The conferences are trash.
 
angel

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They have no interesting games to show, ever. Sports trash, licensed trash, embarrassing corporate execs pretending they're real people. They make games for people who don't watch conferences.
 
Messofanego

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Has anyone checked for how other publishers did in the stock data on the NASDAQ website that Alanah used, as comparison?

As a way to maybe see which conference got the most shareholders excited lol.
 
TheMisterManGuy

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I don't care if EA wants to appease their shareholders. What annoys me about their conferences, specifically last year's, was their out-of-touch view of gamers. Last years press conference reeked of "How do you do fellow kids" filled with stream clips, and let's play style commentary all reek with what a bunch of businessmen "think" gamers want, rather than giving them what they actually want. That's the core of EA's problems, they rely more on market data and focus groups than actual creativity for many of their products, and when they try and pretend they understand or are in-tune with gaming culture, it always feels so fake. It's one thing to make a conference for shareholders and the media, it's another to use that as a platform to try and pretend you know genuine gamers when you really don't.
 
sn00zer

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Memento said:
What

No

At least for Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft it is a hype/marketing event
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I meant for EA specifically. Although each brand has dipped their toes in every once in a while to show something tangible to investors. Big stand outs were X1 reveal and Sony's use of LBP for sale figures.
 
Derrick01

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It's pretty easy to see why they suck. They don't make anything interesting, they only focus on the most mass marketed focus tested games. So naturally due to that they will have nothing of interest at E3 for the "hardcore" crowd.
 

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That's quite obvious for years.

TheMisterManGuy said:
I don't care if EA wants to appease their shareholders. What annoys me about their conferences, specifically last year's, was their out-of-touch view of gamers. Last years press conference reeked of "How do you do fellow kids" filled with stream clips, and let's play style commentary all reek with what a bunch of businessmen "think" gamers want, rather than giving them what they actually want. That's the core of EA's problems, they rely more on market data and focus groups than actual creativity for many of their products, and when they try and pretend they understand or are in-tune with gaming culture, it always feels so fake. It's one thing to make a conference for shareholders and the media, it's another to use that as a platform to try and pretend you know genuine gamers when you really don't.
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Being out-of-touch with gamers don't mean anything when your public is the mass market. Which shows by the numbers that EA does every FY

Wagram said:
I don't give a fuck about EA's money or their shareholders. The conferences are trash.
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Sure, you're in the wrong thread for it tho The premise is entirely that.

angel said:
They have no interesting games to show, ever. Sports trash, licensed trash, embarrassing corporate execs pretending they're real people. They make games for people who don't watch conferences.
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The only embarrassing post here is yours. Typical gamer.

Also lol at "corporate execs pretending they're real people". They're as much as real as you or me with their life, family, friends and job independent on their function or where they work. That argument is so stupid.
 
SuiQuan

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Good points. It's aimed at the audience that brings them the most money, which pleases investors. I never had any issues with how they showed off their sports games or mobile. That said, the only real thing I didn't like was HOW they showed off Anthem It's fine if they want to focus on MP, but it could be presented better. Era, just like any gaming community is a bubble in some ways (and I don't mean it in a derogatory way), so what EA shows usually falls flat here.
 
Black_Stride

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Wagram said:
I don't give a fuck about EA's money or their shareholders. The conferences are trash.
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Its a shareholders conference....you said you dgaf so why would you watch it and bother even rating it.

idgaf about MLP....and have literally never watch it so i cant say whether its good or not...i know its not for me.
 
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sn00zer said:
Will watch. I always figured they were investor meetings first and foremost.
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That may be, or rather have been, true in the past, but every other company has most certainly tailored their conferences with consumers in mind these days. That isn't to say they still aren't for investors as well, but EA is definitely the odd one out here.

Anyway, I expect it regarding EA. And that's fine, I understand why their conferences are the way they are. I simply don't watch them anymore. If they have anything interesting (rarely), I check it out after the fact.
 
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Kin5290

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TheMisterManGuy said:
I don't care if EA wants to appease their shareholders. What annoys me about their conferences, specifically last year's, was their out-of-touch view of gamers. Last years press conference reeked of "How do you do fellow kids" filled with stream clips, and let's play style commentary all reek with what a bunch of businessmen "think" gamers want, rather than giving them what they actually want. That's the core of EA's problems, they rely more on market data and focus groups than actual creativity for many of their products, and when they try and pretend they understand or are in-tune with gaming culture, it always feels so fake. It's one thing to make a conference for shareholders and the media, it's another to use that as a platform to try and pretend you know genuine gamers when you really don't.
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If anything, forums like ResetEra or r/Games have an out of touch view of gamers. EA are making a metric fuckton from their sports titles and mobile games for a reason. They seem to understand their audience better than people of a video game forum do.
 
smash_robot

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Interesting perspective. I don't understand her confusion at the end about titles such as unravel though - things like that add to the overall "good will" a company enjoys and can still affect share price / investment even if they are hard to quantify.
 
angel

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Nemesis162 said:
That's quite obvious for years.



Being out-of-touch with gamers don't mean anything when your public is the mass market. Which shows by the numbers that EA does every FY



Sure, you're in the wrong thread for it tho The premise is entirely that.



The only embarrassing post here is yours. Typical gamer.

Also lol at "corporate execs pretending they're real people". They're as much as real as you or me with their life, family, friends and job independent on their function or where they work. That argument is so stupid.
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Lol

Watch the video you fanny. She's spot on.

Will follow her, very good.
 
DecoReturns

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I find EA can make their shows interesting, like take these year showing, it could've much better presented in my opinion. They presented Anthem this year in the most boring possible way.

It's nice to have the devs talking about their game but I feel they could've done it in a better way.

That's just me tho.
 
Derrick01

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You guys will be a lot more at peace if you just ignored EA's yearly E3 show like I do. Pretend they don't even exist and aren't part of the E3 schedule and move on and enjoy the rest of it. I haven't watched their show for the last 3 E3s and I've missed literally nothing doing so.
 

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She's right.

On that note, every company should follow into EA's footsteps. A lot of people on ERA have shown how preoccupied they are with a company's stocks so this should be the best course of action. :V
 

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EA conferences have only one redeeming feature:- Andrew Wilson is still the only gaming exec at E3 who doesn't look like he gets dressed in the dark.

Outside of that, meh.
 
angel

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Nervous European dev showcasing cute little indie game will be an EA staple forever.
 
ShinobiBk

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They're totally geared towards shareholders and haven't tried to capture the hardcore gamers attention at all. This is why they hired YouTube personalities last year in a desperate attempt to show that EA is hip and cool. To impress shareholders
They're bad conferences cause they're boring as hell. And I hate when they have a new game and then don't show it off and save it for another conference. Then why fucking bother showing up if Sony and MS can do all the promotion for you?
 
Vicious17

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Kin5290 said:
angry gamers on an internet forum do not actually know better about the video games industry than the games industry execs.
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I mean, yes. Obviously. That's a given.

But also, them dancing on C&C's corpse with a mobile game that has next to nothing to do with the franchise doesn't feel "good".

It will most likely make them a metrick shitton of money, but as a fan of the series, this is a shitty move.
 

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I actually enjoyed a lot of her own vids and I think her leaving ign was a really wise choice. Although, tbh I might be biased and have a slight crush on her. Whatever the case may be, ty for sharing her content op! lol
 
TheMisterManGuy

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Kin5290 said:
If anything, forums like ResetEra or r/Games have an out of touch view of gamers. EA are making a metric fuckton from their sports titles and mobile games for a reason. They seem to understand their audience better than people of a video game forum do.
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That's fine, and not what I have a problem with. What I have a problem with, is EA trying to pretend they understand or get gamers. The entire vibe I got from last year's conference and this years was that EA was trying way to hard to try and be hip with the "gaming" crowd when they don't know anything about gaming culture outside of a very shallow view. If they were upfront about this, I wouldn't care, but they aren't, and that's what annoys me. I can be somewhat forgiving when Nintendo does stuff hardcore gamers may not care for because they're pretty transparent about their target audience and that's reflected in their corporate presentations. EA isn't, and that's what I think people have a problem with.
 
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