REgals [Women of Era] |OT| Episode I: The Female Menace

Sawneeks · Nov 15, 2017

Going off of what Pirate Bae said, BotW is a great game but it's a terrible Zelda game. :p

I still think one of the major problems is that the bosses don't scale with the player so it's really easy to just walk all over a boss if you have enough hearts/equipment and it just takes away most of the challenge. While the story and Dungeons also need a lot of work to them, I still really appreciate what Nintendo was going for this time around. It's why I'm excited about the DLC to see what else they will bring to it.

But I think the reason why I love this game so damn much is because if fills the small niche of perfect wanderlust games. The vast majority of my time in BotW was spent travelling and just looking at everything or seeing something in the distance and travelling to it only to stop 30+ times along the way because something else caught my eye. This can be said for a lot of open world games but there's just something that Nintendo did with Hyrule this time around that made spending 70+ hours walking around so much fun.

sabrina said:
That's me with Mario. I love basically every other popular platformer, so I should like that one too, but I just don't :(

You and me both. >.>

I've always enjoyed Mario games but nothing just really clicks about them either. Like Mario Odyssey, it's a fantastic game and I enjoyed playing it but I'm not insanely into it either like everyone else seems to be.

sabrina · Nov 15, 2017

i was going to make a thread about this, but it's easier to just ask here first. Does anyone else feel like they can pretty well tell when artwork was made by a woman or not?

One of my friends brings this up every so often with me. Like he told me that he could tell my artwork was done by a woman before he even knew my gender. And a lot of times he'll show me Instagram accounts and other galleries of a woman's artwork and suggest that he can tell they were made by a woman.

The problem is that neither of us can put our finger on what he's actually picking up on in the art. I know for me, personally, I don't normally identify an artist as male or female unless they've explicitly said so.

The study linked in this article suggests that men focus more on the artist and women focus more on the art, as a whole, so maybe that explains his and my difference.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5976992

Dice · Nov 15, 2017

sabrina said:
i was going to make a thread about this, but it's easier to just ask here first. Does anyone else feel like they can pretty well tell when artwork was made by a woman or not?

One of my friends brings this up every so often with me. Like he told me that he could tell my artwork was done by a woman before he even knew my gender. And a lot of times he'll show me Instagram accounts and other galleries of a woman's artwork and suggest that he can tell they were made by a woman.

The problem is that neither of us can put our finger on what he's actually picking up on in the art. I know for me, personally, I don't normally identify an artist as male or female unless they've explicitly said so.

The study linked in this article suggests that men focus more on the artist and women focus more on the art, as a whole, so maybe that explains his and my difference.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5976992

I was talking about this today!!!!!!!!
Sadly, and given how much this topic has made such waves lately, it was largely talking about female depictions when the creative behind is a man or a woman behind the scene. This is a really interesting read though...

Septimus Prime · Nov 15, 2017

sabrina said:
i was going to make a thread about this, but it's easier to just ask here first. Does anyone else feel like they can pretty well tell when artwork was made by a woman or not?

One of my friends brings this up every so often with me. Like he told me that he could tell my artwork was done by a woman before he even knew my gender. And a lot of times he'll show me Instagram accounts and other galleries of a woman's artwork and suggest that he can tell they were made by a woman.

The problem is that neither of us can put our finger on what he's actually picking up on in the art. I know for me, personally, I don't normally identify an artist as male or female unless they've explicitly said so.

The study linked in this article suggests that men focus more on the artist and women focus more on the art, as a whole, so maybe that explains his and my difference.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5976992

I cannot. Even if I do focus more on the artist (which I really wouldn't know whether or not I do), I cannot tell.

What's your friend's success rate with his assertions?

Suede · Nov 15, 2017

I can't tell the difference. It sounds kinda sexist to me, to be honest.

sabrina · Nov 15, 2017

Dice said:
I was talking about this today!!!!!!!!
Sadly, and given how much this topic has made such waves lately, it was largely talking about female depictions when the creative behind is a man or a woman behind the scene. This is a really interesting read though...

Oh gosh yeah people can definitely tell something's different when suddenly women are writing it. For example, Rick and Morty added women to the writing staff for season 3 and suddenly Beth and Summer were way more nuanced characters, and a lot of the (mostly male) fanbase complained that the writing seemed different. But I only found out after the fact. Even though I could immediately tell that the writing had changed more to my liking, I didn't immediately guess oh they must have women writing it now.

Septimus Prime said:
I cannot. Even if I do focus more on the artist (which I really wouldn't know whether or not I do), I cannot tell.

What's your friend's success rate with his assertions?

We haven't done any rigorous testing, and I'm not sure how to find out because we're in a lot of the same artist circles, but if I come up with some data I'll let you know!

Selina said:
I can't tell the difference. It sounds kinda sexist to me, to be honest.

Oh? How so? I don't mean qualitative differences. It'd be more about what different genders tend to prioritize and display in their art, or what different types of things they have to say.

Dice · Nov 15, 2017

sabrina said:
Oh gosh yeah people can definitely tell something's different when suddenly women are writing it. For example, Rick and Morty added women to the writing staff for season 3 and suddenly Beth and Summer were way more nuanced characters, and a lot of the (mostly male) fanbase complained that the writing seemed different. But I only found out after the fact. Even though I could immediately tell that the writing had changed more to my liking, I didn't immediately guess oh they must have women writing it now.

I feel like Wonder Woman also really works here; it was a 2 hour flick with a woman in a mini-skirt...and not one deliberate ass or pan up.

Selina said:
I can't tell the difference. It sounds kinda sexist to me, to be honest.

I think talking or researching this can be very revealing about the smaller and maybe even subconscious ways men and women see the world (even if through something more cerebral like art).

HyperFerret · Nov 15, 2017

I think it's hard to tell sometimes. There was an artist I thought for sure was a woman but turned out to be a man, who happened to be homosexual, so he was drawing a lot of male characters in attractive poses. Typically it's better to ask than to assume but it's pretty easy to guess that a lady with huge tits and ass was likely drawn by a man. As sexist as that sounds out loud... I'm not sure what really triggers me to think a man or woman drawing something but for some reason I usually go by the line work *shrug*

edit: for instance, I just googled D.Va. You can try and guess their genders :) I guessed them all correctly pretty easily.

Woman. Source: https://twitter.com/wendydoodles/status/739996151722582016

Woman. Source: https://twitter.com/jenjenjenrose/status/746462826395369472

Man. Source: https://furboz.deviantart.com/art/D-va-Summer-624753874

Wazzy · Nov 15, 2017

kaytee said:
I think I have about 90 hours? I absolutely love it (except for that darn inventory...). I started when it came out and finally explored Hyrule Castle sometime last month. I haven't actually beaten the game yet, but I probably will when the next DLC is announced. I just keep putting it off because I'm sad it'll be "over" even though I know I can keep playing. I even did all the shrines and now I'm just messing around doing sidequests and farming dragon parts.

My favorite part of Zelda games growing up was always just running around Hyrule, so I should've known I would be into it lol

Yeah the exploration is really lovely especially because it reminded me so much of learning Hyrule and it's layout in Ocarina Of Time. I've been trying to get the memory quest completed and then when that is done I'll finish the game. I think one of my favourite parts is the horse taming and color options. It was pretty cool to be allowed different options even if Epona is best horse. :P

Pirate Bae said:
BOTW is great, but it is by no means the best Zelda. The bosses are mediocre and unoriginal from each other; they're different variations of the same thing. I thought the Divine Beasts were cool, but they weren't too challenging compared to other Zelda dungeons we've experienced in the past. I like how the game gives you a wide variety of options in choosing how to go about accomplishing a certain task; it gives you an objective, and however you do that in whatever order is up to you. The weapon system is annoying and it made me not want to fight anything for fear that my weapons would break mid-battle. The world is also kind of boring; there's nothing to explore, really. Aside from a few shrines and some lizards or whatever, there's really no point to traversing the landscape. I liked the shrines and the puzzles, but I wish they had made less, but bigger dungeons instead, like older Zeldas. They tried something new, and it kind of worked out well, so I can't really fault them for that.

Horizon is beautiful, both graphically and in terms of its characters and narrative. The story is compelling, immersive, and mysterious, and Aloy is a likeable protagonist. She's strong-willed, independent, and probably one of the most positive examples of women in gaming in recent memory. The world has a ton of stuff to find in it, and although the side quests aren't particularly strong and there really isn't much incentive to do them, I found myself enjoying them anyway because I loved Aloy and her adventures that much. The crafting system is just okay, IMO, but crafting in any game isn't really indicative of overall gameplay, so whatever. I won't fault Zelda for it, either.

In other words, I think you'll really like Horizon and you should definitely play it.

I do agree the dungeons are lacking in this game and that probably comes from the fact there's shrines everywhere. Even so, the lack of variety in boss fights has definitely been it's weakest area. I still love everything else about BOTW but dungeons need to be vastly improved. It's by no means my favourite Zelda game but It's been great enough to be up there.

I'll for sure check out Horizon. I've heard nothing but good things and your examples are definitely ones that interest me. It will be interesting going right from BOTW to Horizon.

Pet said:
Wazzy - I'm late but congrats! & good luck HyperFerret :)

Thanks!

sabrina · Nov 15, 2017

Dice said:
I feel like Wonder Woman also really works here; it was a 2 hour flick with a woman in a mini-skirt...and not one deliberate ass or pan up.

Agreed. There's good reason so many women look up to her character as portrayed in that movie.

HyperFerret said:
I think it's hard to tell sometimes. There was an artist I thought for sure was a woman but turned out to be a man, who happened to be homosexual, so he was drawing a lot of male characters in attractive poses. Typically it's better to ask than to assume but it's pretty easy to guess that a lady with huge tits and ass was likely drawn by a man. As sexist as that sounds out loud... I'm not sure what really triggers me to think a man or woman drawing something but for some reason I usually go by the line work *shrug*

edit: for instance, I just googled D.Va. You can try and guess their genders :) I guessed them all correctly pretty easily.

Oh, wow. Yeah. I guessed those right away. It's curious that between the first and third shots, the woman artist has no issue making her look super messy and attentive, but the man's depiction of her is pristine and idealized.

Morrigan · Nov 15, 2017

HyperFerret said:
I think it's hard to tell sometimes. There was an artist I thought for sure was a woman but turned out to be a man, who happened to be homosexual, so he was drawing a lot of male characters in attractive poses. Typically it's better to ask than to assume but it's pretty easy to guess that a lady with huge tits and ass was likely drawn by a man. As sexist as that sounds out loud... I'm not sure what really triggers me to think a man or woman drawing something but for some reason I usually go by the line work *shrug*

edit: for instance, I just googled D.Va. You can try and guess their genders :) I guessed them all correctly pretty easily.

Woman. Source: https://twitter.com/wendydoodles/status/739996151722582016

Woman. Source: https://twitter.com/jenjenjenrose/status/746462826395369472

Man. Source: https://furboz.deviantart.com/art/D-va-Summer-624753874

I thought the idea was silly... but I guessed 3 out of 3, hmmmmm.

Actually I know the tell for the 3rd one:

that bendy spine that exaggerates the butt sticking out is 100% male gaze :P

Septimus Prime · Nov 15, 2017

At first, I thought the third could go either way, but I ended up guessing correctly, for two reasons:

1. They were unlikely all drawn by women

And

Morrigan said:
I thought the idea was silly... but I guessed 3 out of 3, hmmmmm.

Actually I know the tell for the 3rd one:

that bendy spine that exaggerates the butt sticking out is 100% male gaze :P

My tell was similar, but different:

2. Detailed shading on the underboobs and belly button to emphasize how tight her clothes are

TwoBreathsWalking · Nov 15, 2017

Somewhat in a general sense using the tells listed thus far and a few more but I follow female artists that'd fail those tests as well. I go with my assumption till proven otherwise but the tells aren't concrete in my experience.

Although in interaction with art on twitter is this:
1. See something I like re-tweeted.
2. Check out their twitter page to see if I like their other stuff.
3. Follow if I do.

So I never really find out there unless the artist is open about it at some point like the South Korean feminist I follow that does Overwatch art frequently. I didn't know until a lot of their re-tweets and art started focusing on that since I wasn't looking. lol
Mentioned artist: https://twitter.com/Dinanshiral124

Decarbia · Nov 15, 2017

D.Va looks like a matsu in that third pic

TwoBreathsWalking · Nov 15, 2017

Honestly, this idea would be a cool thread. Gathering art from male and female artists and have people guess to later reveal whats correct.

Suede · Nov 15, 2017

sabrina said:
Oh? How so? I don't mean qualitative differences. It'd be more about what different genders tend to prioritize and display in their art, or what different types of things they have to say.

Dice said:
I think talking or researching this can be very revealing about the smaller and maybe even subconscious ways men and women see the world (even if through something more cerebral like art).

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I think there could be some interesting things to find out about how men and women see something like art differently, but I don't think we should stereotype how the different gender's draw their art. There are too many variations from person to person for it to be that simple to identify the gender of the artist based on how they draw.

Although, there will be some cases where it is fairly obvious, but I don't think it's fair on the artist to completely judge what their gender might be going on how certain other artists of the same gender draw their artwork.

Rory · Nov 16, 2017

sabrina said:
Does anyone else feel like they can pretty well tell when artwork was made by a woman or not?

No, and neither do I think do you. You can tell an identity, but how do you know which one it is? Cultural? Real? Maybe it's simply coincident?

A woman who is still learning to draw (a beginner) and learns/copies from different styles might adope indicators you'd classify as "typical male" as well as vice versa. There are usually not even clear connections to be seen between the pictures, except maybevtheir inspirational source.

Also as long as artists haven't found their style yet they tend to jump between artstyles which causes them to vary. Motif and poses might be revealing beyond their cultural identity, but this would already mean that the artists need to have to be developed their "own style" (and skill) so far to be able too. And especially at the beginning you tend to stay around familar turf, so if a boy consumes more girl content because it's more of his liking, it will be reflected in his pictures (and viceversa).

So it has nothing to do with your gender but the culture your talent grooms in.

Most pictures you look at are pictures of artists who have been practising for centuries, look at beginners. If you still can tell their real identity apart (not their cultural one, which would be genre) then we could talk about a sixth sense.

sabrina · Nov 16, 2017

TwoBreathsWalking said:
Honestly, this idea would be a cool thread. Gathering art from male and female artists and have people guess to later reveal whats correct.

I'll get around to it sooner or later. I just spent the last three hours drawing more artwork for the OP in this thread haha

Selina said:
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I think there could be some interesting things to find out about how men and women see something like art differently, but I don't think we should stereotype how the different gender's draw their art. There are too many variations from person to person for it to be that simple to identify the gender of the artist based on how they draw.

Although, there will be some cases where it is fairly obvious, but I don't think it's fair on the artist to completely judge what their gender might be going on how certain other artists of the same gender draw their artwork.

For me, the point in talking about it isn't pigeonholing or stereotyping anyone. But I think on average there are differences, and it's fun to explore them. I think if you plotted it on a graph it would probably look like overlapping bell curves.

Rory said:
No, and neither do I think do you. You can tell an identity, but how do you know which one it is? Cultural? Real? Maybe it's simply coincident?

A woman who is still learning to draw (a beginner) and learns/copies from different styles might adope indicators you'd classify as "typical male" as well as vice versa. There are usually not even clear connections to be seen between the pictures, except maybevtheir inspirational source.

Also as long as artists haven't found their style yet they tend to jump between artstyles which causes them to vary. Motif and poses might be revealing beyond their cultural identity, but this would already mean that the artists need to have to be developed their "own style" (and skill) so far to be able too. And especially at the beginning you tend to stay around familar turf, so if a boy consumes more girl content because it's more of his liking, it will be reflected in his pictures (and viceversa).

So it has nothing to do with your gender but the culture your talent grooms in.

Most pictures you look at are pictures of artists who have been practising for centuries, look at beginners. If you still can tell their real identity apart (not their cultural one, which would be genre) then we could talk about a sixth sense.

That's an interesting perspective. I would counter that by suggesting that someone who doesn't have enough refined skill to make what we consider good art, by that very definition, does not have enough refined skill to accurately portray the nuances they're more inclined towards.

Rory · Nov 16, 2017

sabrina said:
That's an interesting perspective. I would counter that by suggesting that someone who doesn't have enough refined skill to make what we consider good art, by that very definition, does not have enough refined skill to accurately portray the nuances they're more inclined towards.

There are different kind of beginners, and A lot of beginners art already qualifies as beautiful, but still limits to their hometurf because that's what they practised the most. Not all of beginners art are sketches barely identifiable as what they are supposed to display.

Fanart is pretty common beginner stuff, before people develop own characters etc.

Coricus · Nov 16, 2017

Well I mean, if there needs to be something rougher to measure a given difference in tells,

What gender do you think when you see this?

Well I mean, it's mine so-

I'm absolutely terrible at guessing the gender of whoever makes something, but I wonder if some people do have a sense for it?

It'd probably shake things up more to include art of male subjects drawn by both genders, sexualized art of women drawn by women along with non-sexualized art by men, and images of subjects most wouldn't dare sexualize drawn by both genders. I feel like the male artist's "tells" in this case stand out when you know what to look for and if it's common enough the absence would stand out as well. Do women really "have a style," or are we just less likely to objectify ourselves?

Rory · Nov 16, 2017

Coricus said:
Do women really "have a style," or are we just less likely to objectify ourselves?

When an artist is influenced by Naoko Takeuchi's artstyle (which wasn't very unsexualized), this could be interpreted in different ways.

Yes, she does emphasize on sexuality, but the mangaka's work itself is clearly mainly consumed by female audience (Sailor Moon was a phenomen, so also male, but it's less likely).

On the other hand other huge franchise which mainly are aimed at male audience also got female consumers.

This reminds me of a first-aid seminar I once had. We were supposed to sketch something, (everybody was like "I can't draw.", "drawing? Really?"). When the manager, while pinning the cards, announced infront the whole group "Well you can clearly tell from the picture you drew, that you work in Kindergarten.".

I asked why, the reply I got was a bit embarrassed and hestitant because it was clearly meant as a compliment and not meant to offend me (which I knew), but I found it the way it was said really impolite. "You used the whole paper and everything."

The drawing itself was probably the most detailed we had that day yeah, I was the only one using "the whole paper", but that's something artists do — even bad ones like me. Not male or female.

Orio · Nov 16, 2017

Speaking of manga, it does bring up an interesting point of drawing for one's audience. Typically speaking, art is drawn for viewing by others, and generally artists have a particular audience in mind (even if they don't realize it themselves).

Take CLAMP for example, who is a group of women who have made manga for girls, boys, and more general audiences.

Cardcaptor-Sakura-20th-anniversary-illustration-cover.jpg

From Cardcaptor Sakura, the colors are light, everything is frilly and sparkly, the lines are delicate. A very extreme example of feminine.

Compared to

Angelic Layer, with bold colors and strong, clean lines. The designs are also a lot more straight forward. The main target audience for this work was boys.

And to go the other way, some early shoujo drawn by a man

faircure · Nov 16, 2017

I think the tells are in style. I may be remembering wrong but most art I see from women I know is brighter and more stylized than stuff from men. I think men also tend to either go for traditional anime anatomy or really realistic anatomy too, while women do all kinds of weird stuff. Ofc there's exceptions but in general that's what I think.

Deleted member 1287 · Nov 16, 2017

the discussion on female vs. male art styles remind of differences in handwriting. while there appears to be trends in the way one tends to write, identifying someone's gender based on on handwriting isn't as simple as it seems.

Nilou · Nov 16, 2017

Potater said:
the discussion on female vs. male art styles remind of differences in handwriting. while there appears to be trends in the way one tends to write, identifying someone's gender based on on handwriting isn't as simple as it seems.

My handwriting has always been pretty bleh, I make a pretty signature but my normal handwriting is far from the "stereotypical" women's handwriting.

Aiustis · Nov 16, 2017

Potater said:
the discussion on female vs. male art styles remind of differences in handwriting. while there appears to be trends in the way one tends to write, identifying someone's gender based on on handwriting isn't as simple as it seems.

I have less than average fine motor skills and 'write like a guy' because of it.

kaytee · Nov 16, 2017

Since someone already posted a picture — anyone else excited for the new Cardcaptor Sakura anime?? I dug out my DVDs to rewatch the series for the first time in a long time. I'm on about Episode 45? It used to be my comfort show, and I'd watch it any time I had a hard day. I love it, and there's a high chance I'll tear up during the first episode of the new series lol

TwoBreathsWalking · Nov 16, 2017

Oh damn, I didn't know they were making a new CCS anime! I should do a rewatch and hope the new one has a better budget than Sailor Moon Crystal. lol

kaytee · Nov 16, 2017

TwoBreathsWalking said:
Oh damn, I didn't know they were making a new CCS anime! I should do a rewatch and hope the new one has a better budget than Sailor Moon Crystal. lol

There's an OVA already to bridge the gap between the old and new series. I haven't watched it yet, because I'm waiting until I'm done with my rewatch. But it looks beautiful! Madhouse is doing it again with the same director, so I wouldn't worry about animation quality :)

Here are some PVs (there are English subtitles if you click CC):

Rory · Nov 16, 2017

Orio said:
...

The last ones style reminds me of Kare Kano, Masami Tsuda.

It's really strange how important the gender of people is to some. I never bothered to look up people's gender before. They do a great job, I enjoy their work. That's it.

TwoBreathsWalking · Nov 16, 2017

Oh I should get on that re-watch then get to those OVAs! Those PVs look great! I'm glad they're taking it more seriously than Toei did with SMC.

Rory said:
The last ones style reminds me of Kare Kano, Masami Tsuda.

It's really strange how important the gender of people is to some. I never bothered to look up people's gender before. They do a great job, I enjoy their work. That's it.

Yeah, actually someone I follow closely has some "shoujo" styling because his wife's work rubs off since they work together at time so it's kinda over simplification just throwing it down to gender. Artist I note here is Yoshiyuki Sadamoto whom influences me as well so thats bouncing around back and forth there. lol

Pau · Nov 16, 2017

kaytee said:
Since someone already posted a picture — anyone else excited for the new Cardcaptor Sakura anime?? I dug out my DVDs to rewatch the series for the first time in a long time. I'm on about Episode 45? It used to be my comfort show, and I'd watch it any time I had a hard day. I love it, and there's a high chance I'll tear up during the first episode of the new series lol

I want to go back and watch the original. I only ever saw the English Dub that aired on Kids WB way back when. Wonder if I should read the manga instead though.

kaytee · Nov 16, 2017

It's just one OVA episode, but yes! You totally should! I'm really happy it's a sequel series and not a remake.

At least Sailor Moon Crystal has been better lately, from what I've heard? I actually never got into Sailor Moon when I was younger and tried Crystal but the beginning is so rough. Every so often I'll watch a few episodes because I heard it improves, and I want to get there! I was always interested in watching the series but the original isn't very bingeable and it's soooo long.

Pau said:
I want to go back and watch the original. I only ever saw the English Dub that aired on Kids WB way back when. Wonder if I should read the manga instead though.

Dub? What dub? Man, that thing... they really did a great series dirty. I'm kind of a weirdo because I'm a huge fan of the anime, but I'm not usually a CLAMP fan at all. The manga is actually pretty short and the anime added a lot of extra things. Like, there are 19 cards in the manga and 52 in the anime. So, technically, there's a lot of filler, but it's well done. Personally, I prefer the anime because it's more fleshed out imo. You just spend more time with the characters to get to like them.

TwoBreathsWalking · Nov 16, 2017

I've only seen the anime so I never could compare it to the manga, so that might be good to check out sometime if only for comparison purposes.

Decarbia · Nov 16, 2017

They are both great. But like Sailor Moon in that there are a few stark differences.

Looking forward to it. CCS, Sailor Moon and Utena were my holy trilogy growing up.

Gundam was, and always will be, my number one. But those three were my other obsessions.

Nilou · Nov 16, 2017

kaytee said:
There's an OVA already to bridge the gap between the old and new series. I haven't watched it yet, because I'm waiting until I'm done with my rewatch. But it looks beautiful! Madhouse is doing it again with the same director, so I wouldn't worry about animation quality :)

Here are some PVs (there are English subtitles if you click CC):

I've never seen the original series (I do own the complete series on bluray though) the new series art looks super pretty, never seen any Sailor moon either, should really change that.

kaytee · Nov 16, 2017

QueenVulpix said:
I've never seen the original series (I do own the complete series on bluray though) the new series art looks super pretty, never seen any Sailor moon either, should really change that.

!!! I'm so jealous of your blu rays! I want it, but it's so expensive and I already have the DVDs. And they take up so much space...

RedHoodedOwl · Nov 16, 2017

Linkura said:
All right, that's it, I'm pretty sure I'm fucking done with the Atelier series after this latest character design reveal. Probably should have been out after Plachta, whose design is certainly worse than this, but was holding out hope I guess?

http://www.siliconera.com/2017/11/14/atelier-lydie-suelle-details-fuuko-neige-captain-buccan/

I guess my tolerance is extremely low now.

Are you kidding me with this anime schoolgirl nonsense.

HyperFerret · Nov 16, 2017

The job didn't work out. :(

At least they contacted me the next day instead of making me wait weeks for the answer...

Nilou · Nov 16, 2017

kaytee said:
!!! I'm so jealous of your blu rays! I want it, but it's so expensive and I already have the DVDs. And they take up so much space...

Thank you,, and yeah I imagine >_<

HyperFerret said:
The job didn't work out. :(

At least they contacted me the next day instead of making me wait weeks for the answer...

I'm sorry to hear that :( -hugs-

Pirate Bae · Nov 16, 2017

HyperFerret said:
The job didn't work out. :(

At least they contacted me the next day instead of making me wait weeks for the answer...

Sorry to hear :(

Keep your chin up. Something will work out!

Professor Beef · Nov 16, 2017

HyperFerret said:
The job didn't work out. :(

At least they contacted me the next day instead of making me wait weeks for the answer...

Damn :(

LionPride · Nov 16, 2017

What's up peeps, I kinda started to post in the GirlGAF thread, but we here now so...yeah that's it lol

Orio · Nov 16, 2017

HyperFerret said:
The job didn't work out. :(

At least they contacted me the next day instead of making me wait weeks for the answer...

Aww, that's too bad. But hey, if one was interested there will always be others!

spider · Nov 16, 2017

hyperferret :( *hugs*

hope you will find something else fabber, and soon <3

HyperFerret · Nov 16, 2017

Thanks everyone, I was really looking forward to leaving retail and I know I will one day.

Linkura · Nov 16, 2017

HyperFerret said:
Thanks everyone, I was really looking forward to leaving retail and I know I will one day.

I'm sure it'll be soon!! Just keep trying! <3

Leeness · Nov 16, 2017

HyperFerret said:
Thanks everyone, I was really looking forward to leaving retail and I know I will one day.

I'm sorry to hear it didn't work out this time, but there will be more and you will get out of retail :) It does happen! Let me know if you ever need any help—I'm okay at interviews, but I make pretty banging resumes and cover letters lol. If you ever need a second set of eyes or anything.

On a totally different note, I ordered a dress for my firm Christmas party from eShakti, and I was SO worried I had been...optimistic about my measurements. BUT IT FITS. I'm seriously so relieved and happy.

weemadarthur · Nov 16, 2017

please offer opinions on the banners in the OP, which Sabrina has graciously created. also your system used for appearance issues and whether you are light/dark theme.

Suede · Nov 16, 2017

HyperFerret said:
Thanks everyone, I was really looking forward to leaving retail and I know I will one day.

Sorry to hear you didn't get it. I'm hoping things'll get better for you soon.

weemadarthur said:
please offer opinions on the banners in the OP, which Sabrina has graciously created. also your system used for appearance issues and whether you are light/dark theme.

The banners look lovely. Nice work, Sabrina!

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