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Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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We know from the dossier that Russia attempted to divide the left, and they used Bernard's campaign as one tool to effect that goal.

This revelation puts a bit of a different spin on the situation, however.
 

GameAddict411

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Oct 26, 2017
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This is insane. Say Bernie won the primary. Devine could have sabotaged his entire general election campaign.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians already accounted for that if any of this turns out to be true. Their sole goal is to get Trump on the seat, and Hillary lost they would have used this information to make sure Trump wins.
 

Yung Coconut

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Oct 31, 2017
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What if Bernie is a Russian stooge planted to cause disfunction among the dem base? He did vote against Russia sanctions and still hasn't released his full tax returns likes promised... I'll believe just about anything at this point.
 

Whitemex

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Whataboutism is gonna be coming on strong with this Bernie news. I bet it'll be a Hannity talking point tonight
 
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None of this implicates Bernie in the slightest, people. Let's get that thought out of the way.

What this does do is making him look pretty silly in his insistence that his campaign and popularity was completely organic.

That's got to be a big blow to his ego.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Bernie Sanders has tad Devine and had the endorsement of xenophobe and racist Tulsi Gabbard. Glenn Greenwald who is as pro Putin as they come supported Bernie Sanders campaign and recently supported the progressive Cortez who upended a power pro Hillary democrat from power

It's all connected

Maybe these "progressive" democrats are not really progressive
AOC/Crowley had virtually nothing to do with broader party politics.
 

Watchtower

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Oct 27, 2017
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Do we count this as a blind spot for Bernie or do we think he might be complicit as well? I would peg Bernie being taken advantage of as equally like

Given Sanders's history it's very likely that he had no idea. However, given his previous behavior he's not going to take the idea of Russia significantly influencing his campaign well. Fully expecting him to make noise soon about how his campaign was purely grassroots and how he had no influence other than passion for the good of the people.
 

RedValkyrie

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What's the significance of Bernie involvement in a Russian plot? Please explain?

I wasn't a Bernie bro so I have no idea who this guy is.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians already accounted for that if any of this turns out to be true. Their sole goal is to get Trump on the seat, and Hillary lost they would have used this information to make sure Trump wins.

Yup which means Bernie may not have had a chance regardless

Hard to say... Russian boosting Bernie may have also had a momentum effect that they may not have been able to reel back too

Like rolling a tire down a hill


Either way its not worth speculating. We just know that America suffered as a whole from this attack and our Current President is still fucking talking about cutting deals with these assholes. INSANE

What's the significance of Bernie involvement in a Russian plot? Please explain?

I wasn't a Bernie bro so I have no idea who this guy is.

Most likely Bernie was unaware that he also was being played by Russian influence. Given his actions both before and after he lost the primary I doubt he was complicit in any way outside of having a blind spot to the Russian activity

Maybe he will make a statement?
 

Taki

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Oct 25, 2017
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Does anyone else get a craving for popcorn each time Mueller's name appears in a new Era thread?
 

Copper

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Nov 13, 2017
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Potentially, this could mean that Bernie's campaign was compromised by the Russians from the very beginning. It could even have a hand in how much play he got and how his supporters refused to let go of him even after he told them himself to support Hillary. If there were Russians engaged in the process trying to keep as many Bernie fans from switching to supporting HRC, that alone could've potentially tanked the election for her.

Except Bernie voters in the primary voted Hillary more than Hillary-s voters in the primary voted Obama.

Can we stop spreading this false narrative , it's been 2 years.
 

RailWays

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Oct 25, 2017
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I 99% feel that Bernie wasn't involved/aware in whatever Tad and the Russians were up to. They latched on to him.
It certainly raises the question as to how involved the campaign was in these antics. It may have never reached the candidate, Bernie, but the campaign team itself?

I don't think Bernie was personally involved, but having a campaign chief with that kind of baggage is very concerning.

Except Bernie voters in the primary voted Hillary more than Hillary-s voters in the primary voted Obama.

Can we stop spreading this false narrative , it's been 2 years.
Well, the Bernie primary voters that actually bothered to vote in the general. But what of those who were dissuaded from voting? Either way, blaming Bernie voters isn't particularly productive at this point.
 

Threadkular

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Dec 29, 2017
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Stuff like this sometimes makes me think that Americans (Democrat and Republican, politicians and citizens) just need to humble ourselves and admit we all got and continue to get played by Russia and reevaluate. That doesn't let anyone off the hook for any crimes, but at some point we need to take the L and take a different approach.
 

lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tad Devine also worked for John Kerry and Al Gore. I wonder if they're in on it too, guys. How deep does this go?!?!?!
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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Except Bernie voters in the primary voted Hillary more than Hillary-s voters in the primary voted Obama.

Can we stop spreading this false narrative , it's been 2 years.

And yet we all know lots of people who refused to vote or chose to vote third party after Bernie lost the primary. Considering how close some of these electoral wins were, that's an important voter bloc to keep in mind.
 

BossAttack

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Oct 27, 2017
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Given Sanders's history it's very likely that he had no idea. However, given his previous behavior he's not going to take the idea of Russia significantly influencing his campaign well. Fully expecting him to make noise soon about how his campaign was purely grassroots and how he had no influence other than passion for the good of the people.

Yep, I eagerly wait his nonsense reply.
 

cognizant

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Dec 19, 2017
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If you enhance this photo and zoom into the upper left quadrant, you can see Bernie and Tad smiling and drinking vodka...

russia_dinner2000.jpg
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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It certainly raises the question as to how involved the campaign was in these antics. It may have never reached the candidate, Bernie, but the campaign team itself?

I don't think Bernie was personally involved, but having a campaign chief with that kind of baggage is very concerning.


Well, the Bernie primary voters that actually bothered to vote in the general. But what of those who were dissuaded from voting? Either way, blaming Bernie voters isn't particularly productive at this point.

I mean

Do we also believe Mitt Romney knew the real forces behind why he didnt get the Secretary of State job?

For as many complicit traitors there will also be dupes and victims as well.
 

sapien85

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Nov 8, 2017
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We already knew Russia preferred Bernie over Hillary. They did anti Hillary propaganda online from the left during the campaign.
 

MMaRsu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Russia has infiltrated the Us government at the highest levels.

Extremely dangerous and its like a damn movie. Insanity really.

The president is potentially a puppet as well. Comprimised by Russia.
 

ratcliffja

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Oct 28, 2017
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Not too familiar with Tad Devine. So does this mean Bernie was involved as well or was Tad thrown in as a plant to sabotage his campaign? Man, TV writers can't come up with this shit on their best day.
It's more likely that he was thrown in to tank Hillary. That would explain the weird mixed messaging prior to the DNC convention. I bet Devine wanted to hold off on endorsing Hillary for as long as possible.
 

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where the stans at?

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NinjaScooter

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Oct 25, 2017
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Russia's goal I think was destabilization. Even if Hillary won if could get Bernie bros and Trump supporters riled up enough they would create such a divide that it probably would have limited her effectiveness as POTUS anyway.
 

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God dammit, I wish I had this information during the primary. Was it available? I need to step up my damn research game.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Let's go. Doesn't matter if you got a D, R, L, or I or whatever next to your name.

If you are colluding with a foreign nation to undermine our elections, then I hope the hammer comes down on your ass.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's the significance of Bernie involvement in a Russian plot? Please explain?

I wasn't a Bernie bro so I have no idea who this guy is.
In Ukraine, Russia funds pro-Russia puppet parties to try and undermine the government there. (Ukraine is who they invaded and annexed . Paul Manafort, Trump's second campaign manager, worked for these parties for about a decade. Tad Devine, who did work for Gore/Kerry, worked for these parties and their campaigns for about 8 years before leaving in early 2014 and jumping to the Sanders campaign about 6 months later.

This is a super bad thing to have on your resume, one that makes it hard to believe that you're trustworthy and capable of providing honest advice going forward. (Much like say, Deval Patrick's stint at Bain Capital makes the idea of him jumping into a Dem primary a ridiculous notion.)

Bernie himself isn't implicated at all here other than possible bad judgment in hiring him.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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God dammit, I wish I had this information during the primary. Was it available? I need to step up my damn research game.

We knew Russia was playing an information warfare campaign on both sides of the aisle pretty early. At least before the final vote took place

We just know exact details as in depth as we do now
 

legacyzero

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Oct 26, 2017
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We just callin people out?

Also- Bernie's on his own if he's pulling fuckery. Some of you salt miners think Bernie Supporters are out here backing him no matter what lol

There's no evidence that Bernie was in on it, so let's not go there.
Also, let's not re-litigate the 2016 primaries for the billionth time.
No no. Bernie needs to answer for that shit, even if he didn't know. A simple "I had no idea" should suffice.
 

PepsimanVsJoe

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Oct 26, 2017
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There's no evidence that Bernie was in on it, so let's not go there.
Also, let's not re-litigate the 2016 primaries for the billionth time.
 

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Bernie Sanders has tad Devine and had the endorsement of xenophobe and racist Tulsi Gabbard. Glenn Greenwald who is as pro Putin as they come supported Bernie Sanders campaign and recently supported the progressive Cortez who upended a power pro Hillary democrat from power

It's all connected

Maybe these "progressive" democrats are not really progressive

Yeah people support progressive candidates because...Russia. Calm down, Batman.
 

RailWays

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean

Do we also believe Mitt Romney knew the real forces behind why he didnt get the Secretary of State job?

For as many complicit traitors there will also be dupes and victims as well.
Very true. Unfortunately, it only takes a few corrupt heads to hijack the chain of command. The simple low-level campaign worker is just doing as the higher-ups instructed.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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In Ukraine, Russia funds pro-Russia puppet parties to try and undermine the government there. (Ukraine is who they invaded and annexed . Paul Manafort, Trump's second campaign manager, worked for these parties for about a decade. Tad Devine, who did work for Gore/Kerry, worked for these parties and their campaigns for about 4 years before leaving in early 2014 and jumping to the Sanders campaign about 6 months later.

This is a super bad thing to have on your resume, one that makes it hard to believe that you're trustworthy and capable of providing honest advice going forward. (Much like say, Deval Patrick's stint at Bain Capital makes the idea of him jumping into a Dem primary a ridiculous notion.)

Bernie himself isn't implicated at all here other than possible bad judgment in hiring him.

Yup this is really the only thing Bernie has to come to terms with

That Hiring Tad Devine was a mistake
 

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Let's hope that the military chain of command hasn't been infiltrated and compromised by the Russians. They will be the only way out if Mueller and his investigation is somehow stopped, the midterms are stolen, and Congress refuses to act.

Its increasingly apparent that Trump is not a legitimate president, the election was fraudulent, and Clinton is the rightful president. We are in the middle of the Avignon Presidency, the nation is being run by an antipresident.
 

Ziltoidia 9

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Oct 25, 2017
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2016 was such a cluster F on all fronts. It's so hard to comprehend that she got 3 million more votes overall yet still lost, and it was basically because of a few states. I feel even if Bernie got out in March instead of June, that the same info would come out regardless, because they had the info and were going to use it against her anyway. Hopefully this Tad Devine stuff leads to something worthy of bringing up all this again.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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God dammit, I wish I had this information during the primary. Was it available? I need to step up my damn research game.
Yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tad_Devine#Political_media_consulting It was brought up as a point of concern during the primaries and election season.
Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich and the Party of Regions in 2006. He worked again with Yanukovich in 2009 and 2010 for his successful Presidential bid.
But I think we all assumed that contact and such cut off after 2010 and left a resume gap of a few years. Devine emailing Manafort up till 2014 suddenly reduces the resume gap to 6 months which is...really bad.