I would close our business and set my savings on fire before I hired some neo Nazi scum. Sadly in today's America they control an entire party and have the presidency no matter how small you like to pretend they are.
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At what point in your opinion is someone unhirable?
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I would close our business and set my savings on fire before I hired some neo Nazi scum. Sadly in today's America they control an entire party and have the presidency no matter how small you like to pretend they are.
well regardless of how you feel, if you dont hire or fire someone because you overheard them say they voted for their local R congressman or somesuch then that's your ass, and they dont even have to prove it for it to be damaging to your company. that's the point.
If their resume says all these great things but no results. ( I saved the company money vs. I saved the company $50k by doing A,B,C ) that is a big turn off for me. If you can't speak to your accomplishments I tend to believe that you have not done anything.
A conceited and arrogant personality is a no go for starters. Things like poor personal hygene and general attitude, desire and wanting to work - if those things are a negative it wouldn't be what i'd want from an employee.
Things like being quiet or lacking in confidence wouldn't put me off though. Confidence in a person can always be improved if you work with them, and if they have other outstanding qualities people deserve a chance.
Things like being quiet or lacking in confidence wouldn't put me off though. Confidence in a person can always be improved if you work with them, and if they have other outstanding qualities people deserve a chance.
I had a guy start off his answer to an interview question with "I'm not racist, but...". That was pretty much the end of the interview.
That is fucking amazing. George Costanza move right there.
I've never been in the position to hire anyone but at a job I had years ago they let me sit in on the interviews to hire my replacement (I was leaving in a few months and was expected to train the person). I had a unique role at the office, I was a legal assistant but I did a whole range of things, it was fast paced and while I'm not patting myself on the back, it wasn't something that you could easily just pick up if you hadn't been there for a few years. We interview 3 people:
First guy (probably mid 40's) comes into the interview wearing a full suit and a cargo material jacket on top (It was early spring) and he sits down for the interview and doesn't take the jacket off, so he's sitting there in a full on suit w/ another jacket on top. The actual interview was a disaster (Hadn't worked in past 3 years, talked about living w/ his mom, no relevant experience) My boss checked out about 5 minutes into the interview and the guy was never given consideration.
Second person was a woman in her mid-20's, recently graduated from College, had solid work experience, was tech savvy (big part of job, dealing w/ a lot of doc files, PDF scans, e-mails, spreadsheets, etc.) and super enthusiastic. She checked off all the boxes and in my head I'm thinking ok this woman is pretty good, I could see this working. Turns out, my bosses subordinate who was like the mini boss went to high school w/ this woman and hated her and later that afternoon they told me no way we're hiring her.
Final interview was a woman in her mid 40's. At the onset my boss was obviously ready to be done interviewing people and just wanted to like this woman. She came off ok but admitting to having little computer experience and her past jobs were mostly in retail. She gave pretty unsatisfying answers (to me) and overall I thought gave a pretty shitty interview. Of course my boss says this is the person, you start training her in a week.
I had 5 weeks to train this woman, it was a complete train wreck. On busy days when I was banging out 15+ settlement agreements, she couldn't even come close to keeping up. Anything I tried to teach her was quickly forgotten and every time she'd get super stressed out she'd go outside for a cigarette break (must have taken 10 a day). Last week there I didn't give a fuck anymore and just let her handle all the work w/out covering for her, the office got completely backed up and she almost had a melt-down. After I left, my friend who still worked there said she quit after 3 weeks and they eventually just cut my 'job' up into pieces and had multiple people handle the duties.
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This seems so messed up to me if the guy can do the job should it matter if he's socially inept
I mean I meet people like this all the time I wouldn't keep them out of job for it .
The more I'm reading in this thread the more I hate it breaking leases too
From what I've seen, Trump supporters, alt-righters, and neo-Nazis usually have certain personalities, behaviors, and prior actions that led them down those paths that are completely incompatible with most good working environments anyways.
Will you refuse to hire someone for having a MAGA hat? No. But if the person has a history of, say, misogyny and sexual harassment, then the MAGA hat doesn't help.
I could even see it being a first alarm for such character. Contrary to their beliefs, they don't hide and separate themselves nearly as well as they think.
A resume that shows a lot of job hopping is usually a no-go, for me.
Meaning, rapidly changing jobs without evidence of being able to keep a job for over a year.
Meaning, rapidly changing jobs without evidence of being able to keep a job for over a year.
Depends on the job. If he has to communicate with others and struggles, but can handle his portion, is he really a valuable team member? If he's being shunted off to a basement to crunch numbers all day, alone, great. If he has to talk to others, direct others, or take orders from others regularly...that's a problem
This was me on my first two or three job interviews, I was so damn nervous totally botched em. My first one was at sorta a dream job to so I was depressed as hell over fucking up. My recommendation for people about to enter the work force is to take advantage of practice interviews or not immediately turn down interviews for positions you have no interest in. Use em as practice runs with real stress.
Well if you wear a hat to an interview it's clear you do not give a shit about what happens to you in life so you can go without a job offer from me, lmao
I know that's not what you meant, but...yknow. Guy wore sneakers to an interview once. That was enough for me to have no interest (business wear at work)
I feel like people are misunderstanding the "politics" line in the hiring process. It most certainly isn't going to apply to any established hate groups or hate group ideology. If you get someone talking about his local Aryan Nation group or whatever, that dude is toast and there's nothing he can do about it.
Well there's people who can communicate with their co workers and boss when it's specific to the job and their duties but when it's banter or small talk they come up short
They wouldn't be good for customer Service jobs
Sure. Would agree with that completely. Depends on the job.
The world doesn't exist In a vacuum man. The ability to communicate effectively is exceptionally important.
Thats 99% of the time, part of the job.
If the dude can't communicate, or is incapable of understanding context and nuance, that's going to affect what he does on HIS end, no matter if he's some mathematical whiz.
Ohhhh, you meant you wanted me to do THOSE numbers for the spreadsheet, I did these ones.
Shoot move AND communicate. If you're missing one you aint got a slant.
The only time I was in a hiring position was back when I was a barkeeper and looked for barkeepers or waiters. I hired pretty much everyone as long as they arrived at the job on time and weren't lazy. And even those two things proved to be a rather high standard, I had a very high turnover rate.
Isn't it crazy when you have such simple requirements, and people can't even handle that?
The old adage absolutely is true - it's so hard to find good help
Of course. People want to treat "Trump supporter" as a hate group in its own right, which is quite a bit overzealous.
However, I do think finding a new hire to be a Trump supporter is worth additional investigation. Does this Trump supporter have a history of bigoted behavior professionally or on social media, for example.
True this, but also the fact that credit reference agencies liberally add shit to your credit file that's associated with any name that's even remotely similar to your own.
I constantly have to check my credit file at least once a year and get stuff removed, because everyone in my family of nine all share the same initials (cuz my parents thought it would be cute).
Ah, okay. If your exaggeration were the truth I would have been (and I maybe was a bit :D) pissed.
Now I also understand you much better and I would probably would do the same, if they don't even try to explain to me / the company why they would fit the position they are applying for. I just thought that you don't even read anything about them and just toss them because of their subject of study.
Thanks for clarifying!
I remember a similar thread on another site a couple years back where I got all kinds of grief for acknowledging that I check a candidate's social media as part of my screening process. My thought remains the same-- if you're willing to put it out there publicly, it's fair game.
That said, for the life of me I can't envision a scenario where a candidate would be a seemingly good fit (as I hire for fit first and foremost) and show no other causes for concern other than their political affiliation. After hundreds of interviews over the years, if I couldn't spot a candidate that's going to create a toxic environment (for whatever reason), that's my own failure.
So still, I think this idea of "I'd never hire a Trump supporter" is some kind of idealistic vision where we could tease out just that part. In reality, I just don't see it happening.
Right now? Totally.
We (IT company in Germany) have quite a few open positions at the moment and a series of 5 interviews was scheduled last week.
I was asked to sit in, watch & maybe voice concerns.
At the end of the day 3 of the 5 applicants just came to the interview to get a signature on a form that they attended the interview (you need to prove that you are looking for a job to welfare reasons). The other two were straight up underqualified.
The answer is obviously because im qualified for that job in owning a apprenticeship diploma as example and because you pay better than the others offering the exact same work.
I don't give crap about your history or anything.
Its always about teamwork,challenge blabla lies lies
The only thing i consider in my field is payment and to some degree the co-workers and how they treat the safety standards + if they even speak german.
Im glad in Jobs about crafting skills and building something you don't need to do all the butt kissing and playing the charade.
A good Boss will (as long as you have the qualifications that regulate the payment you demand) always say that you should work a day or two with the guys and proof your worth.
I think its a bit hard to extrapolate too much about a person during an interview. It never occurred being in a situation where someone showed explicitly their ideologies/political beliefs or a negative trait. I work in a univ. and somehow i ended up being responsible for hiring people who we sometimes need to assist us in our research. I always try to value their qualifications over an interview (nerdy univ where students can be a bit awkard...), especially cause we tend to hire kids who just graduated (or they can even be finishing it), or someone with little experience.
The assessment I can make of a person in a 5-10 minute conversation is much less valuable than her own experience and capacities to prove herself academically under different conditions. But one time I interviewed a girl so shy that she seemed unable to talk or she just talked very softly to the point I couldn't hear her, that I ended up caving and not giver her the job (cause it involved field interviews) although she was clearly the most qualified. Funnily enough, cause she was ending her graduation in my uni I ended up meeting her under different conditions and she was a social person. So my assessment was probably not very good.
The assessment I can make of a person in a 5-10 minute conversation is much less valuable than her own experience and capacities to prove herself academically under different conditions. But one time I interviewed a girl so shy that she seemed unable to talk or she just talked very softly to the point I couldn't hear her, that I ended up caving and not giver her the job (cause it involved field interviews) although she was clearly the most qualified. Funnily enough, cause she was ending her graduation in my uni I ended up meeting her under different conditions and she was a social person. So my assessment was probably not very good.
Destroys their credibility - usually through Twitter.
Search is powerful enough now - if you're an idiot online and take indefensible positions, everyone can and will know.
I have final say on 300+ people a year. Support Bernie/Trump/Hillary/whatever doesn't matter. Be smart, work hard.
Be an idiot harassing people in public (online) I can't help you.
Search is powerful enough now - if you're an idiot online and take indefensible positions, everyone can and will know.
I have final say on 300+ people a year. Support Bernie/Trump/Hillary/whatever doesn't matter. Be smart, work hard.
Be an idiot harassing people in public (online) I can't help you.
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Just wanted to say this:
To the folks who make quips about Trumpers - I have some folks who are pro-Trump at my job. They are hard workers. They get shit done. They know how to run their equipment safely. And they're self aware enough to not act like dicks to folks that they know are more liberal leaning like myself.
Don't let political affiliations affect your hiring.
(And don't talk to them about politics if you value your emotional well-being...)
To the folks who make quips about Trumpers - I have some folks who are pro-Trump at my job. They are hard workers. They get shit done. They know how to run their equipment safely. And they're self aware enough to not act like dicks to folks that they know are more liberal leaning like myself.
Don't let political affiliations affect your hiring.
(And don't talk to them about politics if you value your emotional well-being...)
Also this goes without saying, but it an absolute pre-requisite. Working to educate and improve yourself is #1.
Ha. When I was first retired from the military and tried going out in the job market the last 5 years of me was basically off the table for employers to know about.
Either the people I worked with were completely unavailable (only way you're getting in contact with them where they are is a sincgar), or behind a clearance wall.
People say they want direct answers to interview questions and I agree.
On the flip side, i try to avoid working with people that are literal minded. There has to be a balance.
On the flip side, i try to avoid working with people that are literal minded. There has to be a balance.
I would never hire someone that writes without using capital letters (name, surname, address). Ofc their resume will have it written correctly so you should ask them to write something when you meet them in a way that doesnt seem that it is important like 'hey, please fill this small form while I go to get some papers'. There was a thread in here about people like this having worst credit ratings and I linked it to the many friends/colleagues/family that I noticed that do that and 90% of them really aren't the kind of person that I would hire (I guess they kinda lack focus? no attention to detail? some level of laziness and or lack of focus? idk).
Bigotry obviously, but also a lack of responsibility. Whether it's someone who puts blame on everyone else or someone who does the whole "it's in God's hands not mine" shtick. I worked with a guy at a lobster hatchery who forgot to put fuel in the emergency generator and we had a power outage one night and 3/4 of the lobsters died when the water stopped circulating. He refused to own up to his mistake and instead said it was an act of God.
The only time I redlined someone in an interview, full stop, was when we asked the very common "can you tell me some of your weaknesses?" question and they literally leaned back in their chair, put their hands behind their head, and said "I don't have any."
I haven't had to do interviews in years, but in the line of work I do, and when I'm going to invest my time and effort in training someone, I just want someone who I feel like I can communicate with, and someone who understands they don't know everything and desires to learn more. It's pretty simple.
I haven't had to do interviews in years, but in the line of work I do, and when I'm going to invest my time and effort in training someone, I just want someone who I feel like I can communicate with, and someone who understands they don't know everything and desires to learn more. It's pretty simple.
I really feel like this is a classic US style - contempt against a regular worker making a good financial decision.
The other employee's would be jealous that someone else was fortunate enough to have gotten a windfall and a big holiday. I can kind of see why another employee would be annoyed as they slave away in the meantime, but the reality is that old guy wouldnt be taking anything away from them, he would be just taking more from the company.
I have seen on a few occasions where a company has let someone go, then realise that they actually needed them, and then gets them back in, albeit on a modified basis, and it has always been an older employee. It's never bothered anyone else.
It's a shame that in the US there is such a climate where the average worker is poorly treated (work conditions & time off & expected overtime) but they are mean't to suck it up, or even be proud that they are being done over. That climate needs to change, but it won't and I have seen this steadily creeping into UK work culture too.
This shouldn't happen. Lots of places (that I work for) make special exception to hire military and there's usually a check box. That's incredibly unfortunate and I'm sorry you went through this. I was speaking more in regards to the folks that believe that being unencumbered with responsibility for 2+ years and just watch daytime tv with whatever benefit they receive is going to set them apart from someone with work history.
Lol I know man.
Yeah, there are totally laws in place, and none of them were violated.
But I mean, the confusion and tension was definitely palpable, particularly in the second interview, they have a whole chunk of their process missing.
I hate it when people start looking for ways to get promoted/moved before they even get the job. Upward mobility is important, but all you're telling me is that you want to be doing something else as soon as possible and that's not helping you get your foot in the door.
-Inability to answer a question directly without qualifying it or mincing words
-Inability to take any criticism, even constructive and positive.
-Inability to see other people as equals and work with them on a mutually respectful level.
those are all big red flags to me
-Inability to take any criticism, even constructive and positive.
-Inability to see other people as equals and work with them on a mutually respectful level.
those are all big red flags to me