the reactions were so outrageous people were thinking FF VII Remake would come to the NX
-looks at Cyberpunk.
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I Didn't Want My Hard Work Ruined By Someone Wanting Their 5min of Fame, Says Sakurai on Smash Leaks
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It's journalists' job to keep the public informed. They should disclose what they find to the public.
I agree to an extent, but they also need to think about consequences. Is it worth putting lots of people's job on the line just to put an image of a game that hasn't been revealed as your Twitter profile picture?
Of course it's bloody not
Not really...a video game journalist is not obligated to disclose privileged inside information on video games to keep the public informed. This is not some moral civic duty, it might not even be a part of their actual job. Different outlets assign different tasks to their employees for different reasons. There are even roles that might require them to not tell the public things lol.
Leaks, leakers, "insiders," and "insider culture" were all mistakes and are nothing but trash
Put em in the bin
Put em in the bin
I mean, are they making the character for a good reveal for marketing, or are they making the character so that people playing the game will enjoy it? Because if it's the latter, a leak doesn't ruin anything.
by game promo does he mean the March 2018 trailer? I didn't read it.
Anyway, I'm surprised it was bigger than the Smash 4 reaction. That's cool if so.
About the second quote, wow, I wonder who he means by people at Nintendo didn't know. Surely not higher ups. But maybe employees on different EPD teams? Still that's kinda surprising but neat.
who says that?
and what leak? The paper with Starlink, Dragonball, Fortnite, etc?
anyway, e3 stunk because two 2018 games delayed. Yoshi and FE. Didn't expect megatons but I expected games to keep their date
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Why would no one have taken a FFVII remake seriously?
To me it seemed like having a good chance of happening given how much attention they were giving to FFVII related things in the last year or two. Similarly for Crash/Metroid.
Getting fans hyped and excited is a part of the whole package.
Element of surprise is often used even in gameplay and story to give you WTF moment, and game reveal is no different.
Leaks just suck out the fun. Especially at E3 where each announcement is supposed to be a surprise that gets everyone hyped.
However, people shouldn't let leaks affect their enjoyment of the game itself unless spoilers are being leaked.
However, people shouldn't let leaks affect their enjoyment of the game itself unless spoilers are being leaked.
Probably because an FF7 remake was rumored to happen almost every single E3. Eventually people gave up on believing the rumors.
I guess from the creator's perspective even the way you reveal your work is part of the development process. Having someone leak your project is probably akin to some rando knocking all of your paperwork off your desk in the middle of your work.
Liam was, along with a ton of other games journalists, sent Nintendo's complete e3 Direct like a day or two before it happened.
Which is why you had so many people doing the "don't expect any megatons" thing right before Nintendo's Direct.
But no one leaked the Smash details despite the thing being leaked so that was cool.
Which is why you had so many people doing the "don't expect any megatons" thing right before Nintendo's Direct.
But no one leaked the Smash details despite the thing being leaked so that was cool.
The media's job is to provide information.
The media's job is NOT to worry about the publisher's marketing department.
If information leaks, the publisher didn't do their job.
If a journalist writes a story which reveals leaked information, the journalist was doing their job.
Publishers have no right (legal or moral) to demand that journalists refrain from publishing information, unless it was provided under NDA.
Yeah they do have right. I have been on the receiving end of legal action for posting a leak before.
I have seen consequences, personal and not personal to posting leaks.
There are of course severe consequences to revealing classified information and while it may be within a journalists interests to share them, is it right or ethical to do so when people's jobs are on the line because of it? Absolutely not.
As someone who's teased things in the past, I've never gone into specifics on what projects are and usually try to do them moments before their actual reveal. I often regret even the smaller teases.
Leaks can effect company shares, employee job security and damage public perceptions on a project. Sakurai's completely right, if "Everyone is Here" leaked then Nintendo's E3 would have basically had nothing.
As someone who's teased things in the past, I've never gone into specifics on what projects are and usually try to do them moments before their actual reveal. I often regret even the smaller teases.
Leaks can effect company shares, employee job security and damage public perceptions on a project. Sakurai's completely right, if "Everyone is Here" leaked then Nintendo's E3 would have basically had nothing.
I can't speak to other countries, but in the US, there is no such legal right. Companies can attempt to intimidate journalists for publishing a story, but the only real action they can take is blacklisting an outlet from official contact, like Sony did with Kotaku when the latter leaked PS Home before its big GDC announce.
We are talking in degrees here.
There's a difference between revealing something the public was going to find out anyway and revealing something they weren't.
Jason schrierer form kotaku recently did an interview with the Destiny community podcast where he laid out the difference between click bait reveals and real journalistic scoops of stories you wouldn't have heard.
There's a difference between revealing something the public was going to find out anyway and revealing something they weren't.
Jason schrierer form kotaku recently did an interview with the Destiny community podcast where he laid out the difference between click bait reveals and real journalistic scoops of stories you wouldn't have heard.
Liam is legit because he does have insider access, that's why he was able to put out many videos with scoops about games lost in development hells.
The very mod of this website knew of the rosters before the reveal. She teased, but never leaked.
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I love me some tasty leaks. Cant help it.
Not too big, just some title leak is good already such as retro studios' Star Fox racing game. I can then start hyping the game in my head already. When the reveal then actually happens, I am either disappointed or satisfied.
Not too big, just some title leak is good already such as retro studios' Star Fox racing game. I can then start hyping the game in my head already. When the reveal then actually happens, I am either disappointed or satisfied.
The "Everyone is here" focus on the presentation could've been pointless if it was leaked, so we know that Sakurai did a pretty good work keeping it a secret.
Nintendo survived the leaks again this E3, nobody knew about Daemon X Machina or the lack of major announcements...
Nintendo survived the leaks again this E3, nobody knew about Daemon X Machina or the lack of major announcements...
Not really. Though not about VG leaks specifically, Limitation of Harm is a thing
I. An only speak for myself. And I get hyped as hell to see more of it. And it was awesome
Obviously everyone at Nintendo knew that a new Smash was coming. He means that they didn't know the specifics of the project, the "everyone is back" motif.
Yeah leakers in general are a real piss off to me.
Glad Sakurai spoke of them in a condescending manner.
Glad Sakurai spoke of them in a condescending manner.
To be fair, marketing and making presentation videos is yet a payed job...
A journalist job is to have legit official news, tell if a game is bullshit and made deep coverage of industry, not steal something else thunder for his 2 minutes of glory. Go tell that to Soliani and Kirkhope, and listen the responses.
Don't really disagree, I just think the people who leak stuff that obviously has a lot of work put into it are a bunch of dicks.
I love (accurate) leaks. It's ideal for consumers when facts come out in the cold light of day first, unadorned, apart from PR machinations, careful massaging of public perception, and deceptive advertising. Thank God journalists (including independent ones) do their jobs and publish the stories they hear rather than listen to most of the posters in this thread.
I agree, it can help people make more informed decisions with their money. Like when the PS4 Pro leaked.
I don't care if they have a legal right, that doesn't mean I still don't dislike it.
There's no benefit for leaking the reveal of a game when it gets revealed within the same week, especially if no new info was given in the leak. All it does is take the wind out of the reveal and disappoint the developers who were trying to keep it a secret all because a journalist could get some clicks.
Reporting on development issues, a game possibly being delayed or cancelled, or where a reveal might seem misleading (like Fallout 76 not showing signs of being a multiplayer game but Jason reporting on it being one) I am all for.
I see no benefit of a journalist essentially announcing a game right before the game has a big reveal.
I agree with him and don't even own a Switch. Get fucked, leakers. You ego driven leeches. Let people be surprised at these big events again.
Aren't most leakers just forumers and bloggers? Can't really use the "journalist's job" excuse for them.
Counterpoint: the ESRB leak.
Dude straight-up threw his job away for the sake of internet cred.
Publisher or not, you gotta be damn lucky to catch something like that before it drops.
Please, no. I had a leak in my toilet that needed fixing just a couple of weeks ago.
People that leak things like the Smash roster are their own kind of shitty, though.
Toilet leaks are no joke.
But I think L Thammy meant more "taking a leak" type of leak.
It was a journalist that leaked the existence of Mario + Rabbids and unleashed tidalwaves of internet rage upon the dev team. So journalists that leak are just as clueless and asinine as internet randos looking for brownie points.
Leaks are dumb imo. Just be patient and wait for a formal announcement.
I find it sad/hilarious when people online act like they are doing some intense and important journalism by secretly finding out what someone is working on and posting it online like a week before its announced.
I find it sad/hilarious when people online act like they are doing some intense and important journalism by secretly finding out what someone is working on and posting it online like a week before its announced.
Upon a second reading, I'm sure you're correct.
But, yeah. Leaky toilets are no joke.
I'll admit that I'm not entirely aware of what drama specific members of the dev team were subjected to. So if there's evidence of harassment I'll happily reassess my position. But that aside, my general inclination is that the early leaks may have actually helped Rabbids. And by that I just mean that people had already viscerally reacted to what was on its surface a kind of silly idea that really seemed like it had absolutely no business turning out as well as it did. So when people actually saw it, I feel like the bar was set low enough that we could just move right into being pleasantly surprised by how good it looked as opposed to just being distracted by what nonsense the concept was.
As for the actual topic here, I'm glad for Sakurai that he got to enjoy his moment. And I'm also not overly eager to go to bat for the idea of leaking just because there's not really a clear definition of what that means. Not all leakers are adhering to the same criteria so it's kind of impossible for me to either praise or condemn them in a broad sense. But I also have an impulsive negative reaction to this just in that I really, really loathe modern day spoiler culture and how much importance people place on what are ultimately meaningless surprises. I'm not the arbiter of how people derive enjoyment, but this is something that just honestly flabbergasts me. I don't really understand what was so special about learning that all the characters were back as part of a pre-recorded segment airing during E3 versus just being leaked the information. It was a cool moment sure, but we're still (*checks calendar*) almost five months out from actually playing this game. It doesn't seem that important to me how we learned about this information.
I really lament how thirsty we are for "HYYYYYYYPEEEEE!!!!!!!!!" moments and also how consumers are so willingly becoming engaged in embracing corporate PR.
This ends today's edition of "Old Man Yells at Clouds!"
I was watching the documentary NoClip did on Bethesda the other day. When they get to Fallout 4, Todd Howard was asked about Kotaku and Shrier's leak of the game a full year and a half before Bethesda themselves were ready to announce and reveal the game. I totally get it. It's a huge damper on team morale while developing the game. Todd mentioned something like "We were all swamped with work, and I check my email and I see this crap". You can see the expression on his face in the documentary, he still feels terrible about it. All their work (and we all know how harsh the conditions for developers in the industry are) and they sometimes have to deal with the unnecessary crap of journalists leaking shit for money.
I understand why leaks are sometimes important. Those that highlight publishers wronging their employees, or lying to consumers absolutely deserve the light of day. But those like Kotaku's leak of Fallout 4 I absolutely dislike. It's the reason why, while I absolutely respect the work Jason Shrier does in the industry, and a lot of his leaks are great (the stuff about the cancelled Star Wars game and the behind the scenes development stuff with Andromeda), I never was able to fully respect him as a journalist.
I understand why leaks are sometimes important. Those that highlight publishers wronging their employees, or lying to consumers absolutely deserve the light of day. But those like Kotaku's leak of Fallout 4 I absolutely dislike. It's the reason why, while I absolutely respect the work Jason Shrier does in the industry, and a lot of his leaks are great (the stuff about the cancelled Star Wars game and the behind the scenes development stuff with Andromeda), I never was able to fully respect him as a journalist.
Journalists care about making clicks even if it comes at the expense of others. They no better than some random person tying to get their 5 minute of fame.
Eh they kinda did, if you weren't interested in Smash Bros or wanted to see something else other than Smash. They had a weak offering this year and for the first time, I actually skipped over watching the Treehouse live.