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Oct 27, 2017
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I already did my part and pre-ordered the PC version, hopefully someone can mod in the Orchestrated music into it. I hope a lot of people don't ignore it just because Spiderman comes out some days after.

Can't wait.

Man, I hate using "Am I the only one..." since of course I am not the only one, but it sure seems like I am the only one not giving a fuck at all about Spiderman, hahaha.

Also, I don't think the type of gamers that like frenetic, action-packed games like Spiderman are the ones who would go and buy Dragon Quest XI anyways.
 

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You're right, since they sell a hell of a lot more in the west than DQ does!

I mean, yeah, since those figures also count japanese sales unlike with DQ where it's separated (otherwise it would be 6-7 million). DQ 8 and DQ 9 sold more than 1 million only in the west while Persona 5 and Nier Automata sold more than 2 million counting japanese sales.

Either way, I don't know how sales on the west are related. That's about the production values of DQXI being bigger than Persona 5 and Nier Automata. P5 I could even understand in some way if I make a effort (but it's not either) but Nier Automata is in no way equal but actually way below.
 

Chrono78

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Mar 21, 2018
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I love Dragon Quest and it hope it does well. I own both a PS4 and Switch though so of course I will wait for the Switch version. JRPGs are perfect to play before bed.
 

Biske

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Nov 11, 2017
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If it was on the Switch probably, but otherwise nah. Switch game hunger + retro-ness is a pretty good match. DQ 11 is just another RPG otherwise.

If Square was competent enough to capitalize on Dragon Quest in such ways... but alas.
 

Reinhard

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think it will fail SE's expectations, but not be an absolute flop. It's releasing in a super busy month without any real promotion.
 

Derkon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Plan to pick up DQ11 day one but yeah, agree with most people here in that I don't really think it will matter much.
 

sora87

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think octopath came along at a great time, a lot of people were starving for switch content (me included).
DQ is gonna have a lot more competition on the platforms it's launching on and the date too.
 

NediarPT88

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Oct 29, 2017
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I would love to but I'm just not seeing it, no correlation here.

It's a shame they couldn't release it sooner. Picking September and also 3 days before Spider-Man is really bad no matter how you spin it. Saying it doesn't matter because it's different genres is bullshit, people are interested in different stuff and money isn't infinite.

It's my most anticipated game in a LONG time so it will always have priority over everything else for me. DQVIII is still the best jrpg I've played, this gen I only got P5 which was great though I wasn't a fan of the combat system, I'm seriously missing a game like this.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Man, I hate using "Am I the only one..." since of course I am not the only one, but it sure seems like I am the only one not giving a fuck at all about Spiderman, hahaha.

Also, I don't think the type of gamers that like frenetic, action-packed games like Spiderman are the ones who would go and buy Dragon Quest XI anyways.

I will eventually play Spiderman, but I'm in a 0 hype zone about it, but I can say the same about RDR2. I had my "western AAA" quota of the year with GoW and I didn't even find it that great, so whatever.
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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There is absolutely no correlation. And no, people doesn't give a fuck about DQ, it's also not releasing on Switch so people will just boycott it and we'll see articles on gaming websites going "I don't have time for this" despite raving on Persona 5.
 

QisTopTier

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Man, I hate using "Am I the only one..." since of course I am not the only one, but it sure seems like I am the only one not giving a fuck at all about Spiderman, hahaha.

Also, I don't think the type of gamers that like frenetic, action-packed games like Spiderman are the ones who would go and buy Dragon Quest XI anyways.
I mean, I still havent played God of War yet, I can wait to play spiderman also haha
 

RalchAC

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Oct 27, 2017
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I was planning to buy DQXI, but I had to cut my spending a bit so I'm just getting Tales of Vesperia: Definitve Edition for the rest of the year. I'll live by friends charity and PS+ until then.

Didn't it début at #3 in the UK?

It probably was number #3 overall, but #1 in the Individual Format charts.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I will eventually play Spiderman, but I'm in a 0 hype zone about it, but I can say the same about RDR2. I had my "western AAA" quota of the year with GoW and I didn't even find it that great, so whatever.

I mean, I still havent played God of War yet, I can wait to play spiderman also haha

Yeah, I have zero hype and will for Spiderman. I also don't care about RDR2 and haven't played God of War yet (and I am not hurrying to playing it either)

I don't know, they're just not my type of games, I guess. Or maybe I am worn out on a big budget western-produced AAA games for now since I just recently played Assassin's Creed Origins for God knows how many hours.
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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I literally have 0 care for any of the other productions releasing in September except Spyro so my purchase is set in stone already. The next Dragon Quest entry is too good to pass up, I think I'll get over people not being excited for that game, it was apparent for a decade that despite their whining for more DQ, they wouldn't show up to the call over the flimsiest reason. Always been the story of the series.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I literally have 0 care for any of the other productions releasing in September except Spyro so my purchase is set in stone already. The next Dragon Quest entry is too good to pass up, I think I'll get over people not being excited for that game, it was apparent for a decade that despite their whining for more DQ, they wouldn't show up to the call over the flimsiest reason. Always been the story of the series.
I support the series on my own terms. Bought VII and VIII 3DS versions the day they launched. VII was tied for my game of the year 2016. I also bought Builders 1 for Switch day one. I would have bought the 3DS version, but they aren't localizing it. I will buy the Switch version when it comes out. Until then I'm not interested.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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In case anyone is interested on the PC version, it's on sale on GMG right now, got it today on that site, here's the link. https://www.greenmangaming.com/game...urce=W64&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=cj

I literally have 0 care for any of the other productions releasing in September except Spyro so my purchase is set in stone already. The next Dragon Quest entry is too good to pass up, I think I'll get over people not being excited for that game, it was apparent for a decade that despite their whining for more DQ, they wouldn't show up to the call over the flimsiest reason. Always been the story of the series.

same, I don't think I have any other game I care about aside of DQXI on September.
 

KratosEnergyDrink

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Oct 27, 2017
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There seems to be almost no marketing for DQ, perhaps this will change closer to release.

But I can see some people wait for the Switch version. The developer already announced that the Switch version will be somehow expanded and for multiconsoleros/pc owner the Switch seems to be the platform of choice for lengthy games.
 

Keyouta

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Oct 25, 2017
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I hope so, I definitely will be helping out with buying the game on PC. Very happy with the SE support on Steam.
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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Before DQXI : "Dragon Quest is stuck on handheld, we need a console version"

After DQXI : "Dragon Quest is stuck on console, we need a handheld version"

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RyoonZ

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Oct 25, 2017
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No, it's not on Switch yet.
The only reason why Octopath sell that much is because it's on healthy platform with great audience Nintendo cultivated.
Square should pay Nintendo back with more exclusive and double time on that DQXI port.
 

Ze_Shoopuf

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Jun 12, 2018
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Well DQ11 is my #1 most wanted game for the rest of 2018, so I'm pretty excited about it.

I loved DQ8 so much, and this is finally the DQ game that seems the closest to it and I can play it on a big TV.
 

Raijinto

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm sure all 5,000 DQ fans in the U.K. including myself are very excited for this latest version and will happily purchase it day 1. Got absolutely nothing to believe that there's reason to be optimistic beyond that however. I agree with what someone said earlier ITT- DQ has had mainline games on PS2 and DS in which to achieve a modest success and following but despite that various DQ spin-offs these last years have sold terribly here (again on popular systems like the PS4/Switch/DS) and this version isn't looking like being a winner either. Releasing close to Spider Man and Spyro..? Yeah that's not a good idea.

I know the UK only tells a very small amount of the stuff but I'm just amazed at how little a following there is for the series overall.
 

Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
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the 3ds version which features a 2D mode is not comming and the switch version is far off so i dont know how the success of a jrpg on a different platform will help dq11. that being said dq11 will need no help
 

KrigareN-

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Dec 13, 2017
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No, it's not on Switch yet.
The only reason why Octopath sell that much is because it's on healthy platform with great audience Nintendo cultivated.
Square should pay Nintendo back with more exclusive and double time on that DQXI port.
The PS4 isn't a healthy platform and doesn't have a great audience?
 

Marukoban

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Oct 29, 2017
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No, it's not on Switch yet.
The only reason why Octopath sell that much is because it's on healthy platform with great audience Nintendo cultivated.
Square should pay Nintendo back with more exclusive and double time on that DQXI port.

Nintendo got a lot of money from Octopath selling well.
SE owes nothing to Nintendo :/

I will only buy DQ 11 on PC if there's at least 50% discount for a lot of reasons:
1. SE terrible regional pricing on steam as usual
2. Koichi Sugiyama and his nonsensical sense of entitlement
3. SE not bringing over 3DS version = they don't care about classic DQ fans = they don't deserve money from long time fans
 

duckroll

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yikes, I thought it was all hyperbole until you actually got me to listen to some of the OST. I was waiting for the spend 100 get 15 back PSN deal to get DQ11 but if the music game is this weak, I'm definitely passing.
Thank you for not supporting the financial interests of a war crime denier. I'm proud of you. Helps that said war crime denier is a fucking hack these days anyway.
 

QisTopTier

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yikes, I thought it was all hyperbole until you actually got me to listen to some of the OST. I was waiting for the spend 100 get 15 back PSN deal to get DQ11 but if the music game is this weak, I'm definitely passing.
My favorite is the low impact flute that's kinda there for no reason with no fucking sync to the music completely drowned out

Its like, HEY GUYS... HEY...hey...
 

Maxina

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Oct 28, 2017
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It might sell cause of graphics. It was a marketing point used in Japan when compared to the portability of the 3ds version. The music is weak shit though, and fuck that old fart.
 

Marukoban

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It might sell cause of graphics. It was a marketing point used in Japan when compared to the portability of the 3ds version. The music is weak shit though, and fuck that old fart.

DQ is no FF. The graphic is not good enough to be selling point for the game, especially for western gamer.
 

Batatina

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Oct 25, 2017
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I actually can see Dragon Quest 11 selling less. This is because it comes just a few days before Spiderman, and because it's not on Switch, which is where the audience feels the most primed for it and competition most scarce. I hope it does well though, I'm still deciding if I should get it day one, or day after I finish Spiderman and Spyro.
 

Maxina

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Oct 28, 2017
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DQ is no FF. The graphic is not good enough to be selling point for the game, especially for western gamer.
Well then SE/Sony have their work cut out for them with marketing once it's near release. Good reviews/word of mouth might help it, but It's releasing in a heavily competitive month, and so far there doesn't seem to be much hype surrounding its release in the west.
 

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It still baffles me that no one at corporate realised how fucked up the soundtrack is just because one dude being a bloody mess.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Before DQXI : "Dragon Quest is stuck on handheld, we need a console version"

After DQXI : "Dragon Quest is stuck on console, we need a handheld version"
It's almost like different people made these statements!

You won't ever see me saying "stuck on handheld", it's how I play games the most and I think many RPG fans feel the same.

The PS4 isn't a healthy platform and doesn't have a great audience?
He's being ironic. It's his schtick here for some reason.
 

Marukoban

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Well then SE/Sony have their work cut out for them with marketing once it's near release. Good reviews/word of mouth might help it, but It's releasing in a heavily competitive month, and so far there doesn't seem to be much hype surrounding its release in the west.

SE treatment of DQ in the west has been fucking joke since the beginning (30 years ago or so).
I have 0 hope of them actually putting resources to try selling this game.
The only time DQ received proper marketing is DQ IX, and that's mainly because of Nintendo.
Basically for SE, the only series that deserve any sort of marketing in the west are FF and KH.
 

Eolz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Octopath Traveler is out now, and seemingly, it is making waves, with sellouts being reported in multiple places worldwide, and it having been the number one selling game in Japan and the UK in the week of its release. Reviews are positive, word of mouth even more so, and there seems to be a generally positive buzz around the game indicating that it will go on to become a success- just the latest in a long lie of JRPGs that did well this generation.

That said, those other JRPGs, like NieR, Xenoblade, or Persona, all share modern or post modern aesthetics, stories, and/or gameplay systems. Octopath is the first indication we have gotten that a pure, old school fantasy turn based JRPG could do well on consoles in years.

With this in mind, do you think its success bodes well for Dragon Quest 11, itself a turn based fantasy JRPG? I know it's on a different system (and surely Square Enix are kicking themselves right now at not having the Switch version ready to follow up on Octopath, it would have segued perfectly), but the PS4 also has a very strong audience for RPGs, and for Japanese games- if one exists on the Switch, which we now know it does, then surely it has to exist on the PS4 too, right?

So, what do you think? Do you think that Dragon Quest 11 has a chance to do well, in the wake of Octopath's breaking out? Do you think it will suffer from a more crowded release window? Do you think Square's apathetic marketing might do it in? (Octopath got an insane marketing push, but that came from Nintendo, who published the game in the west).

I love DQ, and DQ11 is one of my most anticipated games for the remainder of the year- until now, however, I had resigned myself to it barely making its presence felt on the market when it came out, its (by all accounts supremely high) quality be damned. Now, however, I feel like there may be a chance- do you agree?
I think both are too unrelated outside of the genre, and this will have an impact on its sales: different artstyle, different platforms, different time of year and competition, different gameplay, etc.

DQXI's release is mismanaged but it's like usual with S-E. It probably won't sell as well as Octopath due to all those elements.
 

Maxina

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Oct 28, 2017
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SE treatment of DQ in the west has been fucking joke since the beginning (30 years ago or so).
I have 0 hope of them actually putting resources to try selling this game.
The only time DQ received proper marketing is DQ IX, and that's mainly because of Nintendo.
Basically for SE, the only series that deserve any sort of marketing in the west are FF and KH.
If the Switch release isn't too far off, let's say first half 2019, and Nintendo does the marketing again, it might have a chance to do well in the west. SE really screwed up not making it a priority to get the Switch version out alongside the PS4/PC releases.

Anyways it's still too early to tell, but there really are no indications that SE gives a fuck, like you said.
 

Joltik

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Oct 25, 2017
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Speaking of graphics, I found it odd that SE never bother advertising Toriyama's name as a selling point for the series in the west. Surely a it could have helped the franchise if they stated "from the artist who brought you Dragonball" or something like that.
 

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If the Switch release isn't too far off, let's say first half 2019
They aren't even working on it. No chance. Late 2019 or 2020.

It's so late that it's doa no matter what, imo. No chance to do well in Japan (lots of 3DS/PS4 DQXI already sold and second hand market) and DQ is already small in the west and I doubt a very late port would set charts on fire or be promoted.

I honestly think they should just give up on this port and make sure that DQXII gets a Switch version from day 1. Better than wasting time/money/staff on a port that won't sell much (it also would be crazy if XII was only a late release for Switch because of this).
 

Mr.Deadshot

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Oct 27, 2017
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Octopath was the first bigger release for Switch since .... Mario Tennis (lol)?

Dragon Quest XI releases almost the same day as Yakuza Kiwami and fucking Spider-Man and one week before the new Tomb Raider ...
 

Egida

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Oct 27, 2017
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Octopath Traveler is the first worthwhile Switch exclusive of the year at a time when there is very few other releases dominating discussions.

Dragon Quest XI will launch alongside Spiderman, arguably the PS4s biggest exclusive of the year (or on par with God of War at least) along with many other high profile launches in September including Spyro Trilogy and Shadow of the Tomb Raider. I'm sure DQXI will sell well but it will get swallowed up by the Spiderman hype as far as forum discussions and gaming articles go.
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LuckyLinus

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Dont think DQ scratches the same itch as Octopath. I think it has to get stellar reviews to have a chance with the western consumers, but even then I doubt it will be a huge success outside of Japan.