This is for biggest ethnicity per county.
In the overall state, Hispanics outnumber white people as of 2015.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html
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Initiative to break California into 3 states qualifies to go on November ballot [Update: Blocked]
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This is for biggest ethnicity per county.
In the overall state, Hispanics outnumber white people as of 2015.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html
This map is pointless and deceiving. Area size does not equal support and never has. The red counties are so big but no one lives in those areas.
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Because it will hurt vastly more individuals than it would help (literally the 1%). and while that 1% holds considerable wealth, fortunately they don't hold the votes or the congressional seats.
I mean, comparing it to the proposed new California boundaries, it makes sense if the goal is more Republican electoral votes. The split is in such a way that the number of red districts will barely outnumber the blues in the South and maybe Cali. Seems pretty delicate though.
Need to tax these SV libertarians enough that they can't be destructive with their hateful fantasies.
Yeah, creating three new states seems like it should require more than a simple yes or no vote. It seems like something that should at least go through Congress at a certain point.
At most, you could have a "sense of the State" referendum that you could then forward onto Congress if most of the people voted for it, but the sheer logistical and administrative nightmare this would create would seem to require a lot more hoops to jump through, than a simple popular vote.
Of course, since we've all been transported to the bizarro universe, Trump could sign a proclamation creating the state of Jefferson for the northern counties and get his Supreme Court to approve it by misusing Lincoln's precedent.
But why?
It is a empty referendum and democracy would benefit from a more proportional representation in the senate. This would be net +2 senators for Democrats. Why are we Democrats always so afraid of reform in states we control?
It is a empty referendum and democracy would benefit from a more proportional representation in the senate. This would be net +2 senators for Democrats. Why are we Democrats always so afraid of reform in states we control?
Nah, even for the future SC, that would be completely beyond the pale.
Because it would actually be +2 Republican based on demographics?
I'm not even American and could tell you that.
The way you get Trump supporters to go against this is to remind them that this would mean they'd have to replace all of their flags with ones with more than 50 stars.
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I'm basically at a "never say never" mindset at this point. At any rate, Roberts would probably torpedo it.
But it does serve as a reason why California succession would be a boondoggle. Even if the State somehow voted to secede, the red counties could then actually use the West Virginia precedent to remain "loyal" to the Union and form Blanco California, or whatever they'd call it.
California can't secede without the consent of Congress (and on the same token, California can't be kicked out of the Union without the consent of the state government).
the map is gerrymandered to 2 Republican States and one sole Democrat State.
Because we actually want to live in a functioning state. This kind of absurd breakup would cause tremendous damage to all kinds of systems essential to the systems, both political and physical, that our state relies upon. I don't even want to imagine a situation where the sources of the Sacramento river, the delta in the Bay Area, and the LA region that depends on water transferred from that river via canals were all located in different states.
This entire idea was nonsensical to begin with. California functions as well as it does because of its unity. Pulling that apart to chase some national electoral bullshit is simply a bad bargain.
Maybe you are right, I see the districts align one way but those districts themselves being gerrymandered does not mean that it is representative of actual popular votes for senators. The other point still stands that the addition of four senators is, mathematically, more democratic in a naturally undemocratic legislative body.
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hahaha mash up all the populated cities from SF to LA as much as they can and leave conservative Orange County out of it to create the 2nd Republican State hahahaha
what a jip
What? No, it isn't. Splitting up California is stupid but going by the proposed map, California and North California would both be solidly Democratic.
The West Virginia precedent exists, so the legality of California seceding would be moot if the counties who didn't want to secede held a vote to stay loyal, considered the seats of state reps who elected to go with secession vacant and refilled them, and then sent new senators and reps to Congress. Congress could then choose to seat the replacement reps and vote to recognize the new State, and in so doing implicitly recognize that the remainder of the state is a separate entity. The President could then approve the bill and make the proclamation.
The politics of it would require a majority Republican House & Senate, as well as a Republican president whenever this occurred, but it's not outside the realm of possibility, since this has already happened before.
I think you underestimate how conservative people are outside the Big Sur
Good. I hate hearing about this just about every year. I mean the only people that are really trying to divide the state are those with intentions of malice.
The entirety of the Bay Area would be located in North California as well as Sacramento. I mean hell you have people in the far north of California that want to split off from the state but hate this proposal because they would still be governed by San Francisco and Sacramento under these maps.
You clearly have no idea where all the major cities in California are lol.
hahaha mash up all the populated cities from SF to LA as much as they can and leave conservative Orange County out of it to create the 2nd Republican State hahahaha
what a jip
SF/Sacramento/SJ would be in "Northern California", LA/OC would be in "California" and San Diego/Bakersfield/Fresno would be in "Southern California". It looks like a Democratic gerrymander if anything to me.
Texas v. White would be the case that matters, not Virginia v. West Virginia, as in V v. WV the SC held that both the federal government and state government of Virginia agreed to the creation of West Virginia.
I'm not surprised that the Supreme Court blocked it, I can't see a new state being made out of territory from another state.
That's not the bug. That's the feature. "Fuck the poors. Let's elect all the Nazis we desire to fuck the poors even more." Might as well not even be called Northern California, but New Arizona.
No it wouldn't. North California would be at best very purple due to the extreme redness of the Central Valley and the rural north, which doesn't even consider itself to be California but a mythical 51st state called Jefferson.
Yup. The "plan," such as it is, has no grounding in how California actually functions. It's purely a ploy to get more Republican senators in play and for the rich techbro who proposed it to rest easy knowing his tax dollars are no longer helping filthy poors in the Central Valley.
It's perfectly possible Constitutionally, again it would just require the consent of both the state and federal government.
I promise I'm not being factitious when I ask this: Was the "state government of Virginia" the one that had voted to secede or the one that was formed by the loyalist counties? I'm genuinely curious.
Also, was there any kind of case or legal reason why Virginia wasn't reconstituted in its original form and remained two separate States after the rebellious counties were readmitted?
Thanks for the Texas v White information. I get it now.
I don't know enough about California geography to say which way it'd push the Senate, but unless all three states are blue it would cost the democrats in the electoral college.
Gerrymandering has changed.
It's no longer about states, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy elections, fought by bots and machines.
Gerrymandering--and it's consumption of Russian money--has become a well-oiled machine.
Gerrymandering has changed.
ID-tagged voters carry ID-tagged ballots, use ID-tagged voting machines. Bots inside their facebook feeds enhance and regulate their voting intentions.
Genetic control, information control, emotion control, election control…everything is monitored and kept under control.
Gerrymandering…has changed.
The age of democracy has become the age of Putin, all in the name of averting Democratic politicians from power, and he who controls the election, controls history.
Gerrymandering…has changed
It's no longer about states, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy elections, fought by bots and machines.
Gerrymandering--and it's consumption of Russian money--has become a well-oiled machine.
Gerrymandering has changed.
ID-tagged voters carry ID-tagged ballots, use ID-tagged voting machines. Bots inside their facebook feeds enhance and regulate their voting intentions.
Genetic control, information control, emotion control, election control…everything is monitored and kept under control.
Gerrymandering…has changed.
The age of democracy has become the age of Putin, all in the name of averting Democratic politicians from power, and he who controls the election, controls history.
Gerrymandering…has changed
In theory yes, but in practical terms I don't see it happening. I think that it'd be more likely for a US territory to gain statehood than for a US state to be created out of an other one.
I don't have the actual numbers to look at, but as someone pointed out above...I think it'd still be 3 blue states. The small southern/coastal one is LA and surrounding areas. That'd be Blue as fuck.
The northern one has a lot of rednecks that would be red, but it ALSO has the bay area and the Sacramento valley, which are extremely blue and extremely populated, my guess is also blue.
The large southern one I'm not sure, I suspect that it also has a lot of red, but it's also got San Diego and all of the surrounding areas, which are huge and I assume are pretty blue.
CA is mostly easy to figure out, if it's rural it's red, if it's urban or suburban it's blue, the red geography probably outnumbers the blue, but the actual population difference is massive.
Based on the map I've seen, you'd have:
- 2 Dems for "Northern California" -- Bay Area and Sacramento have all the population and are solid blue, remainder of area has roughly 2 million people dispersed in those northern counties that consider themselves part of "Jefferson"
- 2 Dems for "California"-- Solidly Blue along its length
- 2 Reps for "Southern California" -- Orange County and San Diego trend Republican. There's significant blue presence which could possibly make it 50/50 depending on the election year and demographics in those two regions. Remainder of that state would be solidly red, but less population.