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My house is haunted
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This post is funny considering it was 10 pages ago. Y'all got trolled.
Nope. There's sadly a lot of people who genuinely believe in ghosts and say those who dont are closed minded.
I can't imagine living a life where this forum only has 50ppp. What's it like? Do you feel like a really fast reader?
Not my fault I got you.
I am too good at getting folk.
Maybe you'll regret it and then become a ghost.
Wait. You don't believe in ghosts.
Just call me Mr. Troll Hunter.
Alice Here we go. To be fair these weren't all directed at me, but all were much more aggressive and way more rude than anything that was said to you.
Post after post of aggression, passive aggressiveness and insults. You called me a bigot and said I had serious issues and needed help because I think believing in ghosts is silly. You've asserted that me and other posters are "NewAthiests", that we're Richard Dawkins fanboys, that we're shitty people, simply because we think believing in ghosts is absurd. You've been extremly rude to almost everyone you've interacted with, instigating all incidents of back and forth insults. Multiple times people have asked you honest questions and not only have you totally ignored them, but you instead just respond with attitude snark.
I'll also do you a favour of recapping all the questions you refuse to answer to give you one last attempt at an actual honest discussion.
Edit: Omg you're still doing it lol
Post after post of aggression, passive aggressiveness and insults. You called me a bigot and said I had serious issues and needed help because I think believing in ghosts is silly. You've asserted that me and other posters are "NewAthiests", that we're Richard Dawkins fanboys, that we're shitty people, simply because we think believing in ghosts is absurd. You've been extremly rude to almost everyone you've interacted with, instigating all incidents of back and forth insults. Multiple times people have asked you honest questions and not only have you totally ignored them, but you instead just respond with attitude snark.
I'll also do you a favour of recapping all the questions you refuse to answer to give you one last attempt at an actual honest discussion.
- You say people can't disprove ghosts, therefore believing in ghosts is reasonable and a belief that should be treated with respect. Is believing in my magical, invisible cancer curing dragon reasonable and should it be treated with the same respect? If not, why?
- Why is it that believing in ghosts is acceptable, but it's not acceptable that ghosts could affect our view of reality?
- How do you know what a ghost is? How do you know that they are spirits and not physical? They would need to be physical on some level to interact with our physical world, no?
- How can you say "no one is saying ghosts are real" given the title of this thread?
- How do you know there's no such thing as happy or friendly ghosts?
- Why is it that believing in ghosts is acceptable, but it's not acceptable that ghosts could affect our view of reality?
- How do you know what a ghost is? How do you know that they are spirits and not physical? They would need to be physical on some level to interact with our physical world, no?
- How can you say "no one is saying ghosts are real" given the title of this thread?
- How do you know there's no such thing as happy or friendly ghosts?
Edit: Omg you're still doing it lol
What the fuck? Just because I'm dead doesn't mean I want to indulge in your weird fantasies. Would you ask that of any other stranger who was alive? No? Then why you comin' at me?
"ERA is liberal" my ass.
You can argue against the ridicule of people who do believe in ghosts, without believing in ghosts yourself. I have no idea why you've such incredible difficulties actually understanding that.
I've, for this entire time, spoken against people mistreating others over their esoteric beliefs, as that's been happening this entire fucking thread long.
I'm not surprised, OP.
You know, study of the paranormal is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just thirty years ago, they thought that a haunting like yours was caused by poltergeists from the cemetery beneath your house. But nowadays we know that it is because a witch committed suicide in it and cursed it.
You know, study of the paranormal is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just thirty years ago, they thought that a haunting like yours was caused by poltergeists from the cemetery beneath your house. But nowadays we know that it is because a witch committed suicide in it and cursed it.
Don't worry. No one has been mistreated. Except for those dang spooky ghosts who want to find peace for their mistreatment in life.
I remember one time the topic of ghosts/poltergeists came up in a conversation I was having with a medical student a few years back.
She really believed in ghosts and spirits and all that magical stuff. When I told her how much I disagreed she gave me that look of "o so you're one of those huh". And yes, the accusation of being closed minded came up.
Keep in mind, this is an otherwise very logical person. But when it comes to the topic of spirituality... that's outside of science's jurisdiction lol
What's with all of these weird posts? Why is my phone so cold?
Yeah and please please please set up some web cams and stream it so we can ghost watch for you.
That would be an epic community event to take part in.
That would be an epic community event to take part in.
Hey man I just wanted to fulfill my dream of learning whats it like to get touched by a ghost, nothing weird about it.
It's funny, because you completely lack any sort of perspective to what "your side" is doing to the people with the "Stupid beliefs", yet you reel back at every instance where I imply that your behaviour towards these people is, yes, indeed, pretty fucking messed up.
No one deserves to be insulted over esoteric beliefs, and if you think you should be immune to your beliefs being called stupid, you should extend the courtesy to others as well.
As for your questions:
1. I never said believing in ghosts is reasonable. I said believing in ghosts is NOT a reason for ridicule since it cannot be proven either way.
2. What does it matter that, or if ghosts affect our "view of reality"? That's got nothing to do with your "right" to insult people who believe in ghosts.
3. Ghosts have been very clearly defined by folklore, that's, obviously, the only model we have to go by. Just like "God" or whatever religious figures.
4. Belieiving something is "haunted" because of únexplainable events doesn't mean the user genuinely thinks it actually is a ghost, just that, at this minute, it's unexplainable. Several people have tried to talk to you about that point, you've ignored them all.
5. I never said that there are no happy/friendly ghosts. Strawman.
Maybe actually read the thread instead of being your usual condescending self. Page 1 alone is full of ridicule against the OP.
My brother and I used to live in the same apartment building. We lived directly across the courtyard from each other. I decided one day to put a wireless keyboard and mouse dongle onto the back of his computer, program a universal tv remote to his tv, and put a walkie talkie in his vent. Lasted about a week but whenever I saw him on his computer I'd turn the TV to static or just off and on at night, I'd sit outside his apartment door with the mouse and keyboard to make Shift spam noises, also whisper gibberish into the walkie talkie. It all came to an end when we had some folks over at my place to play some board games, and a friend grabbed a remote to turn on the TV, but since we were directly across, the remote he used turned on my brother's TV and he saw. The jig was up. Well, I got a few laughs, he got a free wireless keyboard and mouse, and now the walkie talkie is in my mom's house.
What perspective do I lack? What is "my side"? You're doing it again. Instead of having a conversation you're just being aggressive. How is saying "I think believing that someone experienced something where ghosts is the only possible answer, is ridiculous" messed up and worth of your flat out aggression and personal remarks?
I don't believe I actually called anyone in the thread stupid. Feel free to quote me and prove me wrong if I did.
You're also being completely disingenuous now about your own posts and the points you were trying to make. I tried giving you a fair shot but you chose to get arsey again. Hopefully one day you'll calm down a bit and realise just how completley unreasonable and over the top your contributions to this discussion have been.
The difference is, you're lumping Gravy Boat in with "his side" while YOU specifically are being completely unreasonably aggressive towards HIM.
He's conducted himself in a manner that is reasonable and patient while being called all sorts of names.
Lmao. What the actual fuck is This? Who thinks like This? Yes, I'm sure OP is gonna murder his family because he believes his house might be haunted.
He heard some weird noises and experienced some freaky shit. He must be schizoid or something it's the only solution!
Only those of us who have evolved the neocortex enough to have the sensory perception to see ghosts can see them. Don't feel bad for those who cant. Its not their fault that they haven"t the neopallium capable of the spatial reasoning required to see the ethereal.
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Every little thing that disagrees with you is aggressive. Cut out the goddamn victim act. You take things I say to other people personally, you exaggerate things I say to you, it's like that's the only thing you have to fall back on and it's very, very tiring. Especially when it's someone trying to justify the ridicule of people who believe in spiritual, completely harmless superstition.
But it's cute that you end a post that's so much about how mean I am to you, with a personal attack, it speaks volumes about your real agenda.
What names did I call him? I called out the behaviour and reasoning of ridiculing people for esoteric beliefs. I never once actually insulted him, as a person. Literally Every. Single. Thing. I said was about the behaviour towards others and the justification of condescension. Anyone can read up on that.
Been eating a lot of insults myself, though, and I haven't been complaining about those.
Don't know how you can read the first few pages and come to that conclusion but ok
You said I was messed up, needed serious help, a shitty person and a Dawkins fanboy. What realm are you from where those aren't insults? Maybe time to take a break from the thread because you're getting really worked up.
Please quote the incredibly harassment and insults directed at those who believe in ghosts from this thread.
So are you admitting then, that you believe that it's completely fine to mistreat people who believe in esoteric things for the sole reason of believing in esoteric things? Because that was *always* the condition those assertions hinged on. You even quoted them. I read through ALL of them again.
Maybe you should take a break.
Equally reasonable, alternative theory: Little Billy's parents were cruel and never gave him any toys. Insisting that work and study were the only important things in life, they forbid all forms of entertainment and creativity. Sometimes he would watch the neighbor children play with theirs, but they would never let him join in. Feeling bitter and resentful, he was unable to move on when death finally came for him, so his ghostly spirit lingered, searching for a meaning he was unable to find in life. But then one day, a family appeared, bringing joy and laughter and more toys than he could've ever imagined. Finally little Billy could play all he wanted while he watched over this unassuming family, and for the first time he could ever remember, he was happy.
That baby monitor... it's not one of those ones where you can talk back to the baby right? There was that news story where some Russian hacker started talking to a baby through a smart baby monitor. That could explain the voice.
Where did I say it was fine to mistreat people? Do you really think me saying "The idea that you had an experience where the only possible explination was ghosts, is silly" is mistreating people? How?
My girlfriend believes in this stuff, she certainly doesn't feel mistreated. Who are you defending exactly because people who DO believe in this stuff aren't bothered by my opinion on it. People have disagreed with me and I've disagreed with them but everyone else that I've engaged with has been civil, as have I to them.
Let's work with direct quotes since being honest and not misconstruing/purposefully misunderstanding things in order to be a victim is seriously hard:
"I'm glad you can justify your bigotry to yourself. Again, no one deserves to be ridiculed for believing in the supernatural. And if you push this sort of shit on them? YOU are the one who's fucking up. - In English, you're fucking up if you believe people deserve to be insulted for beliving in esoterics. "Fucking up" - not "Fucked up""
"I believe you have genuine issues that someone should seriously look at, because you believe it's alright to treat people like shit over things no one has ever proven and even scientists wouldn't dare ever say "this doesn't exist". - This is a very conditional statement. If you don't believe that people should be mistreated over these beliefs, it doesn't even affect you."
There's only two ways for this, either you accept these conditional statements as what you believe, and you do actually have a case of me insulting you, or you say that's not how you feel, and thus the conditional statements that hurt you don't even affect you.
If you don't think it's okay to insult, ridicule and whatever else the people who believe in esoterics, what the fuck are we even arguing about?
"I'm glad you can justify your bigotry to yourself. Again, no one deserves to be ridiculed for believing in the supernatural. And if you push this sort of shit on them? YOU are the one who's fucking up. - In English, you're fucking up if you believe people deserve to be insulted for beliving in esoterics. "Fucking up" - not "Fucked up""
"I believe you have genuine issues that someone should seriously look at, because you believe it's alright to treat people like shit over things no one has ever proven and even scientists wouldn't dare ever say "this doesn't exist". - This is a very conditional statement. If you don't believe that people should be mistreated over these beliefs, it doesn't even affect you."
There's only two ways for this, either you accept these conditional statements as what you believe, and you do actually have a case of me insulting you, or you say that's not how you feel, and thus the conditional statements that hurt you don't even affect you.
If you don't think it's okay to insult, ridicule and whatever else the people who believe in esoterics, what the fuck are we even arguing about?
Yes? Look up hypnogagia. The occurrences that OP cites seem like prime situations for experiencing it.
Young son, difficult to get to sleep = parents probably tired and/or sleep deprived.
Just sitting is boring so OP sits with the lights off at his desk; being bored and sitting in the dark seem like pretty good conditions to fall asleep. A hypnic jerk could feel pretty much like a shove.
Same with watching a movie, especially if it was also later in the day/evening. That OP and his wife each experienced this is much more believable than the restless spirit of a dead person hanging around and messing with them.
Even if these type of sensations were not documented, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that you find a ghost more believable than muscle twitches.
OP
OP
Here's the update I promised with a couple stories from our other house. I'm fine with people not believing me. I'm not out for attention..hell I barely even post, let alone start new threads. It's been fun finally getting this all out though. Whether you believe me or not, everything is true and some of the experiences are absolutely impossible to explain away. The strange this is that it's happened in both of our houses. If it is haunted..is it..me?
We purchased a small home which we converted into a vacation rental about a year ago. It's in a great area of Phoenix, near a big resort, hiking trails, the spring training venues, and lots of cool new restaurants. The building is about 30 years old. I did minor renovation to it when I first got it but overall spent most of the time buying décor and making sure it was fully stocked for the vacation renters. I didn't notice too much out of the ordinary at the time but in hindsight things tended to not be where I left them last. Odds are I just forgot where I put them or left them in odd places…
During the peak season (winter and spring) most tenants are there for only 5 days. It's great because you don't have to deal with long term renters who tend to complain about everything but at the same time I rarely hear from them so if there's anything wonky about the place it's news to me..Until early this summer when I got a renter for a month and a half straight.
Right off the bat they complained about hearing odd noises at night and she felt like someone was continually watching her. Her husband worked and she was a stay at home wife. She was bit cooky honestly…Here's some of the random phone calls I got from her..
Her: Why are you watching me?
Me: Uhh what
Her: There's a camera on the wall and the red light is on..why are you watching me?
Me: Uhh what
(after this back and forth for a few minutes it dawns on me that she's talking about the alarm motion detector sensor which has a small red led anytime it detects motion)
On another call, Sunday at around 11pm…
Her: There's a high pitch noise coming from the desk
Me: Is there a laptop or other electronic device on the desk
Her: No..We can't pinpoint it but it's definitely coming from around the desk
Me: Are you sure there's nothing electronic? Try shutting off the power to the house and see if you still hear it. If you do, it's likely not electronic. Then try shutting off the water incase there's pipes behind the wall
Her: Done, and it's still there. Did I ever tell you I think your home is haunted. Either way, I need you to come out here tonight and help us with this, we can't sleep (even though they couldn't hear the sound from the bedroom)
Me: Uhh what
Her: Ill tell you about it later but this could be that. Here, talk to my husband
(after about 10 minutes on the phone with him I hear "OHHHHHHH" in the background. It ended up being the husband's watch which was running low on battery and apparently it made a high pitch noise to let you know.)
I'd gotten 3 other phone calls with her asking if I took her things. Literally "Hi, did you take my electric toothbrush" and my usual "Uhhh what" response. The lady was incredibly nice but a pain in the ass and called me about EVERYTHING. Eventually she moved out and her last text to me was..
"Hey _my name_, We're done! Thanks again, loved your place. Oh, and your ghost said goodbye! Lol" followed by "If I had to guess I'm fairly certain he's Indian, probably has something to do with the land around the mtns".
After she moved out I went to check on the place right after the cleaners came. The front door to the has a keycode lock which I can control from an app and I change the codes after every tenant. The back door uses a regular key. The app lets me see when the door has been opened among other things. Place looked good as new. The next morning we were heading to San Diego for a short family vacation and I wanted to drop off some supplies for the next tenants. When we got there I went to the front door and…DAMN. The security latch (as shown) was engaged.
I never engage it because I also never carry the key and it locks me out but mistakes can be made and I probably did it without thinking. The unit isn't terribly large so we went to the side yard (my wife and kid) and looked through the window. I ALWAYS open all of the shutters louvers I want to let as much light in as possible through the wall of windows, especially for new guests. Sure enough, the security latch was engaged clear as day. I called the house keeper asking if she had come by the night before and she told me no (I trust her, she's a close friend). I walked around the front of the place back to the sideyard, defeated, and my wife is looking at me like "uhhhhh" then tells me to look at the front door.
The security latch was now completely open. The time between me trying the door, her verifying it was completely latched to her seeing it now unlatched was maybe 20-30 seconds. I walked back around to the front with my wife and son in tow, opened the door and went in side. My wife and I IMMEDIATELY notice that the outer shutters on both windows banking the fireplace/TV are suddenly closed. These are the same shutters we just looked in less than 30 seconds before. And it wasn't one shutter or a single louver..it was 4 separate ones which we looked in just a few minutes before.
Here's a picture of the windows we looked in..the ones on the left.
This is the second time the security latch thing has happened. The first time I just thought I was crazy and didn't try pushing the door open enough (I did). It unlocked itself a few minutes after I first tried.
Also, the place is FREEZING. Thermometer showed 67 degrees…
This is Phoenix, in the middle of summer, it's never 67 degrees. I'm pretty sure the AC could probably pump it down that cold but not without some serious effort but the temp set on the thermostat was 80, exactly how I left it. The AC was also not on even though the place was freezing. It must have shut off right before we got inside because it doesn't take long for a house to heat up in the AZ sun.
Wife and I didn't say much about it but we both knew. We were in a rush to get on the road to San Diego so did what we had to do, locked up, and left.
Fast forward 4 days, on our way back we stopped at the condo again. I wanted to see if there was a problem with the AC because 67 is going to cost me a small fortune in electricity. We got in normally and the AC was exactly where it was supposed to be but this time we noticed one thing which had changed…
There's a small board which has plastic letters you can change out to display a message. Normally it has the wifi login/password and a funny little message about Phoenix heat. It sits on the desk (same one which the one lady thought was haunted because it made the high pitch noise), and 12 letters had 'fallen' off the sign onto the desk. These letters don't just fall off. Because of the incident before we left for SD, I won't lie and say my head went straight towards ghosts. I called our house keeper once again and she hadn't been there. I could verify it through the app that no one had entered the house and the back door had the security lock engaged (as it always does). I wish I would have taken a picture of that. I looked to see if there was any kind of message but I couldn't see anything unless it was cryptic. I put the letters back and we left. In hindsight, I wish I would have looked at the letters removed vs the letters which were left to see if they spelled anything.
picture of the desk..The letter board sits on it, leaning against the wall.
here's the exact letterboard...
I texted cooky tenant asking her if she had stories to share and I just received a text from the current tenant asking to chat..It's probably about something minor but I'm kinda excited to find out now.
We purchased a small home which we converted into a vacation rental about a year ago. It's in a great area of Phoenix, near a big resort, hiking trails, the spring training venues, and lots of cool new restaurants. The building is about 30 years old. I did minor renovation to it when I first got it but overall spent most of the time buying décor and making sure it was fully stocked for the vacation renters. I didn't notice too much out of the ordinary at the time but in hindsight things tended to not be where I left them last. Odds are I just forgot where I put them or left them in odd places…
During the peak season (winter and spring) most tenants are there for only 5 days. It's great because you don't have to deal with long term renters who tend to complain about everything but at the same time I rarely hear from them so if there's anything wonky about the place it's news to me..Until early this summer when I got a renter for a month and a half straight.
Right off the bat they complained about hearing odd noises at night and she felt like someone was continually watching her. Her husband worked and she was a stay at home wife. She was bit cooky honestly…Here's some of the random phone calls I got from her..
Her: Why are you watching me?
Me: Uhh what
Her: There's a camera on the wall and the red light is on..why are you watching me?
Me: Uhh what
(after this back and forth for a few minutes it dawns on me that she's talking about the alarm motion detector sensor which has a small red led anytime it detects motion)
On another call, Sunday at around 11pm…
Her: There's a high pitch noise coming from the desk
Me: Is there a laptop or other electronic device on the desk
Her: No..We can't pinpoint it but it's definitely coming from around the desk
Me: Are you sure there's nothing electronic? Try shutting off the power to the house and see if you still hear it. If you do, it's likely not electronic. Then try shutting off the water incase there's pipes behind the wall
Her: Done, and it's still there. Did I ever tell you I think your home is haunted. Either way, I need you to come out here tonight and help us with this, we can't sleep (even though they couldn't hear the sound from the bedroom)
Me: Uhh what
Her: Ill tell you about it later but this could be that. Here, talk to my husband
(after about 10 minutes on the phone with him I hear "OHHHHHHH" in the background. It ended up being the husband's watch which was running low on battery and apparently it made a high pitch noise to let you know.)
I'd gotten 3 other phone calls with her asking if I took her things. Literally "Hi, did you take my electric toothbrush" and my usual "Uhhh what" response. The lady was incredibly nice but a pain in the ass and called me about EVERYTHING. Eventually she moved out and her last text to me was..
"Hey _my name_, We're done! Thanks again, loved your place. Oh, and your ghost said goodbye! Lol" followed by "If I had to guess I'm fairly certain he's Indian, probably has something to do with the land around the mtns".
After she moved out I went to check on the place right after the cleaners came. The front door to the has a keycode lock which I can control from an app and I change the codes after every tenant. The back door uses a regular key. The app lets me see when the door has been opened among other things. Place looked good as new. The next morning we were heading to San Diego for a short family vacation and I wanted to drop off some supplies for the next tenants. When we got there I went to the front door and…DAMN. The security latch (as shown) was engaged.
I never engage it because I also never carry the key and it locks me out but mistakes can be made and I probably did it without thinking. The unit isn't terribly large so we went to the side yard (my wife and kid) and looked through the window. I ALWAYS open all of the shutters louvers I want to let as much light in as possible through the wall of windows, especially for new guests. Sure enough, the security latch was engaged clear as day. I called the house keeper asking if she had come by the night before and she told me no (I trust her, she's a close friend). I walked around the front of the place back to the sideyard, defeated, and my wife is looking at me like "uhhhhh" then tells me to look at the front door.
The security latch was now completely open. The time between me trying the door, her verifying it was completely latched to her seeing it now unlatched was maybe 20-30 seconds. I walked back around to the front with my wife and son in tow, opened the door and went in side. My wife and I IMMEDIATELY notice that the outer shutters on both windows banking the fireplace/TV are suddenly closed. These are the same shutters we just looked in less than 30 seconds before. And it wasn't one shutter or a single louver..it was 4 separate ones which we looked in just a few minutes before.
Here's a picture of the windows we looked in..the ones on the left.
This is the second time the security latch thing has happened. The first time I just thought I was crazy and didn't try pushing the door open enough (I did). It unlocked itself a few minutes after I first tried.
Also, the place is FREEZING. Thermometer showed 67 degrees…
This is Phoenix, in the middle of summer, it's never 67 degrees. I'm pretty sure the AC could probably pump it down that cold but not without some serious effort but the temp set on the thermostat was 80, exactly how I left it. The AC was also not on even though the place was freezing. It must have shut off right before we got inside because it doesn't take long for a house to heat up in the AZ sun.
Wife and I didn't say much about it but we both knew. We were in a rush to get on the road to San Diego so did what we had to do, locked up, and left.
Fast forward 4 days, on our way back we stopped at the condo again. I wanted to see if there was a problem with the AC because 67 is going to cost me a small fortune in electricity. We got in normally and the AC was exactly where it was supposed to be but this time we noticed one thing which had changed…
There's a small board which has plastic letters you can change out to display a message. Normally it has the wifi login/password and a funny little message about Phoenix heat. It sits on the desk (same one which the one lady thought was haunted because it made the high pitch noise), and 12 letters had 'fallen' off the sign onto the desk. These letters don't just fall off. Because of the incident before we left for SD, I won't lie and say my head went straight towards ghosts. I called our house keeper once again and she hadn't been there. I could verify it through the app that no one had entered the house and the back door had the security lock engaged (as it always does). I wish I would have taken a picture of that. I looked to see if there was any kind of message but I couldn't see anything unless it was cryptic. I put the letters back and we left. In hindsight, I wish I would have looked at the letters removed vs the letters which were left to see if they spelled anything.
picture of the desk..The letter board sits on it, leaning against the wall.
here's the exact letterboard...
I texted cooky tenant asking her if she had stories to share and I just received a text from the current tenant asking to chat..It's probably about something minor but I'm kinda excited to find out now.
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Besides all the other possible explanations, I think it really cannot be overstated how easy it is for your mind to play tricks on you.
A thing that has happened to me a few times when I've been half asleep and trying to wake up, I've suddenly heard this strange high beep sound as if it came from somewhere right next to me. It sounds extremely real and if I wasn't such a skeptic, I'd probably be extremely confused and might try to explain it with something supernatural, but still I've come to the conclusion that it's rather likely my mind is just playing tricks on me.
Why? Because it's pretty well documented that brain isn't some super computer that doesn't do mistakes or anything funny. It messes up and does weird things every now and then. I really could swear I heard it for real, but it doesn't really require that much from my brain to create such a sensation. Not when my brain isn't in an alert or normally calm state.
Of course in my case it could theoretically also have been some electronic device, but I think it's the more unlikely possibility here since the sound wasn't like any sound that any device makes and every time it happened, I was in a similar state of mind (half asleep).
If my mind is capable of creating such a real feeling sound, why wouldn't it also be capable of making me feel like someone touched me or even pushed me? Which is more likely, your mind playing tricks on you in such a case, or some ghost being there?
A thing that has happened to me a few times when I've been half asleep and trying to wake up, I've suddenly heard this strange high beep sound as if it came from somewhere right next to me. It sounds extremely real and if I wasn't such a skeptic, I'd probably be extremely confused and might try to explain it with something supernatural, but still I've come to the conclusion that it's rather likely my mind is just playing tricks on me.
Why? Because it's pretty well documented that brain isn't some super computer that doesn't do mistakes or anything funny. It messes up and does weird things every now and then. I really could swear I heard it for real, but it doesn't really require that much from my brain to create such a sensation. Not when my brain isn't in an alert or normally calm state.
Of course in my case it could theoretically also have been some electronic device, but I think it's the more unlikely possibility here since the sound wasn't like any sound that any device makes and every time it happened, I was in a similar state of mind (half asleep).
If my mind is capable of creating such a real feeling sound, why wouldn't it also be capable of making me feel like someone touched me or even pushed me? Which is more likely, your mind playing tricks on you in such a case, or some ghost being there?
Nah I've already done enough of that shit. I'm the one who started this whole shitshow because I didn't think it was right how the OP was being treated. It's literally all over the first 5 pages or so. People calling OP insane, crazy, childish just because he made the mistake of saying he's open to the fact that ghosts exist.
If you're gonna criticize his views with well thought out points and tell him this is why you don't think his house is haunted that's fine.
What I have a problem with is all these drive by shit posts simply saying "Ghosts aren't real" "Get a grip man" and "Quit being so paranoid and immature". They're the definitionof drive by shit posting and would result in at minimum a warning in most other threads on the site. But apparently it's totally ok to do it in a thread about ghosts cause the majority doesn't share the OPs opinion.
I'll remember this when anyone starts a religious thread so I can go in there, drop a "God doesn't exist" line and be treated exactly the same way I'm sure.
Why do you keep using the word victim as if I'm some poor beaten down fellow who is weeping into his keyboard? I've never claimed to be a victim, I've just pointed out how your attitude and the way you've been speaking to people is pretty poor. I don't need to feel insulted to know that you were trying to insult me.
Well, ghosts aren't real. What did you expect people to say?
"Sorry, man, that sucks, I hate it when ghosts are in my house."
"What a bummer, I remember having this victorian era dude moving plates around at night."
Like, it's a ghost story. It's gonna come with ridicule because the actions are always proven not to be ghosts. In fact, he should be treating this as not ghosts because a lot of ghosts are C02 poisoning.
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I legit saw this on an episode of Ghost Hunters. If you have electrical wires surrounding a room (I think they called it a fear cage or something?) it can cause you to feel paranoid like someone is watching you.
Whether this is legit or not, I don't know. But if people go to your house and suddenly start feeling paranoid, maybe something like that is going on.
I legit saw this on an episode of Ghost Hunters. If you have electrical wires surrounding a room (I think they called it a fear cage or something?) it can cause you to feel paranoid like someone is watching you.
Whether this is legit or not, I don't know. But if people go to your house and suddenly start feeling paranoid, maybe something like that is going on.
Actual explanations for ghosts are almost always something mundane. Except when it's CO poisoning causing hallucinations where it's not mundane, but dangerous and lethal. Believing in a frankly absurd impossibility of some spectral spirit coming back to haunt you is reaching hard, not assuming that someone couldn't see a centipede in the dark. As for my examples, they were just some of the possible mundane things. The sensation of something crawling over you or otherwise stimulating your skin can happen if there's absolutely nothing there, just as nothing physical is needed to make you feel an itch - and you don't have a perfect control and feel of what's always happening with your muscles either, otherwise people wouldn't have nervous ticks that they are sometimes not even aware of.
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