Honestly the only people that should find this homophonic is homophobic people because they think being gay is a negative
I feel they could have done better and diss only Putin and Trump, and that's valid too.
The idea that any comment, cartoon, or analogy involving Trump's ridiculous admiration for Putin is "homophobic" because it features two men is utterly ridiculous and an example of the Far Right's bullshit in action.
Yeah but some in the left just eat that shit right up and cannabalize each other.
Would the punchline be any different if it depicted Trump as a baby and Putin as his father instead?It is homophobic because it uses homosexuality and the assumed male on male submission of it as the joke, as the tool of humiliation. And I am not talking about this video, but about the many many jokes out there, like the blowjob thing.
Yeah. Oral sex doesn't really denote dom or sub... unless you don't really know much about BDSM. Like any sex act it can be either, depends on what you make it. Also 69 is a thing.
I mean I guess there's the whole thing where a man giving another man oral would be considered submissive, but that implication as a whole feels a bit like a stereotype.
I was not implying anything about their orientation at all. I do apologize if it seemed that way. Again, as I've stated prior, my point is that queer people don't have to feel this is homophobic as that is valid, but queer people seeing this as inappropriate and homophobic is also valid. Implying that the latter is a far-right action is not something I agree with, and that is why I was asking if they felt that was the case."That's borderline queersplaining."
That's clearly implying Kirblar is a straight man queersplainning to a queer person. It makes no sense to use that term if you don't think Kirblar isn't straight.
Queersplaining, via UrbanDictionary. ;)I was not implying anything about their orientation at all. I do apologize if it seemed that way. Again, as I've stated prior, my point is that queer people don't have to feel this is homophobic as that is valid, but queer people seeing this as inappropriate and homophobic is also valid.
Someone not of the LGBTQIA++ community caught in the act of explaining queer challenges faced by the queer community, or queer culture to queer people. May be used in a serious or funny context.
It's not the butt of the joke. The kissing part is like the kissing stuff in Arrested Development S4. It's deliberately gross, unsexy and unromantic. The point is to analogize Trump to a lovestruck teenager and how gross that relationship is to the rest of us seeing it play out on Monday.It is homophobic because it uses homosexuality and the assumed male on male submission of it as the joke, as the tool of humiliation. And I am not talking about this video, but about the many many jokes out there, like the blowjob thing.
Do you think our sexuality should be used as part of a humiliation "joke"? Do you think that it wouldn't be sexist to have cartoons of Trump fucking Theresa May because of what happened during Trump's visit?
Liberals need to self crit tbh.
Yep. Lots of ways to make fun of political leaders without slighting anyone else. Here are some comics.
These don't put anyone but Trump and Putin down.
Do you think that it wouldn't be sexist to have cartoons of Trump fucking Theresa May because of what happened during Trump's visit?
Liberals need to self crit tbh.
I kinda feel like if you can't see this for what it is within 0.68 seconds then you are likely the type of voter to get easily swayed every news cycle. Like, no ability to view events within context.
And that's why this tactic is so effective. Cause now who's focused on Trump regarding this conversation? It's all about people (republicans) that via their policies and inaction have made clear they absolutely detest gay folk but want to carry the banner for political correctness when it suits their agenda? Pffffftttttt.
This cartoon is obviously anti-Trump and not anti-Gay. To not concede that to me is ridiculous.
I'm kind of sick of the assertion that political cartoons showing any form of same-sex relations inherently represent homosexuality or gay people in a derogatory manner. Or that it's somehow commentary about gay people in general.
I'm kind of sick of the assertion that political cartoons showing any form of same-sex relations inherently represent homosexuality or gay people in a derogatory manner. Or that it's somehow commentary about gay people in general.
I apologize if I'm sounding incentive, but the amount of energy required to get offended by these types of things regularly must be exhausting. It is very obvious that this isn't an attack on homosexuals or the LGBT community. They are not the butt of anyone's joke. This is a joke regarding Trump's relationship and apparent infatuation with Putin. Nothing more. If Putin was female, it would work exactly the same. If anything, it's just a bonus that Putin is a homophobe and it might end up bugging him even more.
It's offensive because the two men represented have, as far as we know (and we know a lot), represented themselves as exclusively heterosexual.
Portraying them as homosexual as a put down is portraying homosexuality as a negative. It's the whole joke. There are plenty of ways to portray Trump as slavishly devoted to Putin without going there. Implying that homosexuality is the only way to send that message is akin to the white girls who felt they HAD to don blackface to properly do a Crazy Eyes costume. It's not only wrong, it's offensive, narrowminded and so damn typical. I mean, you're BARELY a rung above fart joke. But "lol" I guess.
It's offensive because the two men represented have, as far as we know (and we know a lot), represented themselves as exclusively heterosexual.
Portraying them as homosexual as a put down is portraying homosexuality as a negative. It's the whole joke. There are plenty of ways to portray Trump as slavishly devoted to Putin without going there. Implying that homosexuality is the only way to send that message is akin to the white girls who felt they HAD to don blackface to properly do a Crazy Eyes costume. It's not only wrong, it's offensive, narrowminded and so damn typical. I mean, you're BARELY a rung above fart joke. But "lol" I guess.
Thanks for educating the masses bbThe whole joke is to mock having feelings for another male as less worth it. It's the same shit as with the "cocksucker" jokes and all the blowjobs "jokes" that straight liberals are making lately. They have the undertone of humiliating Trump as if giving a blowjob was something humiliating perse.
Homosexuality is not the punchline. Putin and Trump's relationship is. It's basically saying that literally can't get any closer. They are about as intimate as they can be.
lol got it i'm overthinking itGot it. I was speaking in more generalities, as in, when most people think of vanilla oral sex, they think of someone giving and someone receiving. This is the general metaphor the cartoon is working off of (performing oral is submissive, and Trump was submissive to Putin. Like I said, it's lazy). Of course there's a whole spectrum of sexual experiences and this is not the rule for all relationships, but really most metaphors break down if you overanalyze them.
That analogy would land if the cartoon went out of its way to denote them with stereotypical "gay" behavior and depictions that commonly marginalize gay people, rather than it just being someone cartoonishly infatuated with someone else. That's not a comment on if it's not trite or overdone as a joke.Portraying them as homosexual as a put down is portraying homosexuality as a negative. It's the whole joke. There are plenty of ways to portray Trump as slavishly devoted to Putin without going there. Implying that homosexuality is the only way to send that message is akin to the white girls who felt they HAD to don blackface to properly do a Crazy Eyes costume. It's not only wrong, it's offensive, narrowminded and so damn typical.
It's offensive because the two men represented have, as far as we know (and we know a lot), represented themselves as exclusively heterosexual.
Portraying them as homosexual as a put down is portraying homosexuality as a negative. It's the whole joke. There are plenty of ways to portray Trump as slavishly devoted to Putin without going there. Implying that homosexuality is the only way to send that message is akin to the white girls who felt they HAD to don blackface to properly do a Crazy Eyes costume. It's not only wrong, it's offensive, narrowminded and so damn typical. I mean, you're BARELY a rung above fart joke. But "lol" I guess.
I don't think anyone here is mistaking this thread for what it is. The particulars of the cartoon can still warrant a discussion while realizing that it was posted by a Trump supporter who intends to sow discord.
My problem is that the cartoon depicts them as mutually infatuated with each other. Which, if you pay attention to the dynamic between Trump and Putin, isn't accurate at all.That analogy would land if the cartoon went out of its way to denote them with stereotypical "gay" behavior and depictions that commonly marginalize gay people, rather than it just being someone cartoonishly infatuated with someone else. That's not a comment on if it's not trite or overdone as a joke.
My problem is that the cartoon depicts them as mutually infatuated with each other. Which, if you pay attention to the dynamic between Trump and Putin, isn't accurate at all.That analogy would land if the cartoon went out of its way to denote them with stereotypical "gay" behavior and depictions that commonly marginalize gay people, rather than it just being someone cartoonishly infatuated with someone else. That's not a comment on if it's not trite or overdone as a joke.
My problem is that the cartoon depicts them as mutually infatuated with each other. Which, if you pay attention to the dynamic between Trump and Putin, isn't accurate at all.That analogy would land if the cartoon went out of its way to denote them with stereotypical "gay" behavior and depictions that commonly marginalize gay people, rather than it just being someone cartoonishly infatuated with someone else. That's not a comment on if it's not trite or overdone as a joke.
That triple post, though. Y'all scared me when I saw my notifications.My problem is that the cartoon depicts them as mutually infatuated with each other. Which, if you pay attention to the dynamic between Trump and Putin, isn't accurate at all.
Except that it's a trusted source for news and has been responsible for breaking some of the most important stories in American history.
Me neither. They're making fun that President Trump is in love with President Putin not that's he's to be made fun of because he likes men. I fail to see the problem other than this being a textbook example of political correctness going too far and I HATE that term how it's being hijacked by the alt right but this right here is just that.
You do make a valid point. While of course queer people feeling this is inappropriate or unacceptable is absolutely valid, those that have no stake in this, that don't care about queerphobia, or queer-haters, could also use this as a platform against criticism of these 2 political leaders. That is not good, and leaders should absolutely be questioned, criticized, and yes, made fun of and ridiculed as well. At the same time, we cannot and must not let that fear be used as a way to step on the valid points of any marginalized and/or minority group, such as queer people who might validly feel this is not appropriate.Not really homophobic, and the majority of people getting bent out of shape about it are trolls and right wing scumbags.
I don't know how many times I have to say it, but here goes.I don't think anyone here is mistaking this thread for what it is. The particulars of the cartoon can still warrant a discussion while realizing that it was posted by a Trump supporter who intends to sow discord.
Me neither. They're making fun that President Trump is in love with President Putin not that's he's to be made fun of because he likes men. I fail to see the problem other than this being a textbook example of political correctness going too far and I HATE that term how it's being hijacked by the alt right but this right here is just that.