The "think of the children" argument doesn't make much sense when you look at the breakdown of Switch users.
Even one pedo abusing the system would be bad PR for them.
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Why can't I interact with people on my friend list on switch?
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Even one pedo abusing the system would be bad PR for them.
Did you really suggest using your twitter name as your online id? You really think that is a good solution?
Why is it so hard for some Nintendo fans to just say "Yea, this probably shouldn't be the case". There is absolutely no defense for it.
Do you know how many times I've made new friends because I just sent them a simple "gg, nice (insert character name)" after a match on Tekken or something? Or a "gonna head off, be back on around (whatever time)" Maybe they wouldn't have been on at the time but will now get back on to play since I sent that message. Are they supposed to follow me on twitter and wait for me to tweet that instead?
So many other very practical uses for a basic system-level feature. It's literally a regression and people are somehow defending this?
Meh, this has just become an excuse for Nintendo to do lazy, half ass stuff.
Yeah. They are so paranoid that you need to pay 50 cents to make a minor account (on assumption that a child can bypass parental approval but wouldn't have a credit card). This can also be easily bypassed (by putting in their birthday as an 18 year old) but it shows how serious they take the whole thing.
You don't have to try and excuse every decision Nintendo makes. This is backwards as hell. They can't even get the basics right and they want to start charging for it as well.
Hahahahaha! I thought you were kidding before, but wait, you're actually serious? Wow! Not everyone on my PSN list is someone whose personal info I know, nor should I need to.
Could we expect better social integration between people when the payed online service launches? Or do you think that this is mainly just a deliberately decision from Nintendo to stop people from potentially getting hate messages through their network?
Nintendo will make us pay for these features, and their excuse will be "to protect the children". Since they don't have jobs to pay for the features, and would have to go through parents to get access. Lol
Either supply an updated chart or accept that demographics have likely not changed significantly since its creation. Old data is infinitely better than random forum member asspulls in showing that "think of the children" is 100% fanboy horseshit used to justify the lack of a pitifully basic feature that has existed for longer than the imaginary children you supposedly think they're protecting with its absence. The under 16 demo for the Switch is less than a tenth of the total as of that chart's creation. Using a subset of a fraction of users as a basis to cut functionality for everyone else when a simple solution to avoiding them harm (parental controls) already exists is abject corporate ballwashing.
Yep, it's just another bullshit line to try and defend Nintendo's backwards ass ways.
You know Discord is a thing right?
I wish they baked in support for that and be done with it. I don't care one single bit about yet another messaging platform I'll ignore because I'm not daily logged in 24h/24. I count the times I used messaging (other than for toxicity) on one hand - I would've always used Discord the other times if possible. Never actually used the friend list in 3DS and Wii U. Even on 360 (since 2007) and Vita at best I used it to check achievements, activity and hours played of others.
Sounds incredible but some people don't really feel the need. Messaging is good in gaming platforms for exchanging other contacts, often pseudo anonymous.
I hope this is remedied when the online service launches. However, I really love how minimal the Switch's OS is and I'd really like for that not to change. Keep it simple with key features that work well. No bloat.
While I do want voice chat even though I'd never use it (for those who want it), I'd want it to be opt in instead of opt out.
What I want is for everyone to start automuted and if you want to hear someone then unmute them instead of the other way around. I think that's a fair compromise!
Just a reminder that if you wish for them to change, don't pay for incoming online service. Don't support bad practices with your money people, it's not that hard.
BTW, can't you use the friend list to join in-game lobbies in online games on switch?
BTW, can't you use the friend list to join in-game lobbies in online games on switch?
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Good for you then, but I don't really care about these hypothetical "some people" who don't need it, and going by this thread I don't seem to be alone in this. Several times in fighting games I've played against someone and enjoyed the match a lot, so I'd immediately ask I they wanted to get a lobby going and voila! No need for discord or anything else, took less than a minute and all from the console itself. No need to share more usernames from a different service.
yeah... I tried using the nintendo app for voice chat. There wasn't an option to invite my friend to chat?
Yes, parties are probably the only thing that is missing for me.
Features and bloat aren't necessarily correlated. You can have basic features while still having a minimalistic UI. Bloat is a hallmark of bad UI design, not of having features.
The Switch featureset barely beats the GameCube. It's piss poor. The first Xbox and Xbox live pit Switch's OS to shame.
Let's not pretend wii and WiiU were much better. Miiverse was neat and gifting games should come back but that's it.
If the online featureset isn't upgraded in some way when they start charging for it people are going to be pissed. They are going to be asking kids with Splatoon to pay more money to simply play the 60$ game they already bought- it better bring something worth while without looking like a cash grab.
Let's not pretend wii and WiiU were much better. Miiverse was neat and gifting games should come back but that's it.
If the online featureset isn't upgraded in some way when they start charging for it people are going to be pissed. They are going to be asking kids with Splatoon to pay more money to simply play the 60$ game they already bought- it better bring something worth while without looking like a cash grab.
Exactly. Also much much for "protecting the children" when they rip them off with $60 games (some even that price years later) and also expect them to pay for poor attempt at online too.
My mistake. We'll just use it when someone says Nintendo's for kids.
If there isn't a huge update when the subscription becomes available that adds messaging and all that there is gonna be a problem.
Because Nintendo sometimes is so backwards it warps around the other way as if they were a damn moebius strip.
The Switch OS was so barebones at launch that people were 100% sure we'd get tons of QoL improvements and features with a massive revision at E3. At E3 2017. One year ago. We've basically had no major updates for 1 and a half years. I'm thinking they won't change a thing about it until a possible hardware revision at this point.
Fact is I can't understand why, Nintendo seems to be stretching themselves so thin right now: they were supposed to unify their handheld and home console efforts and they've been releasing plenty of ports to have more time for other endeavours, yet here we are.
The Switch OS was so barebones at launch that people were 100% sure we'd get tons of QoL improvements and features with a massive revision at E3. At E3 2017. One year ago. We've basically had no major updates for 1 and a half years. I'm thinking they won't change a thing about it until a possible hardware revision at this point.
Fact is I can't understand why, Nintendo seems to be stretching themselves so thin right now: they were supposed to unify their handheld and home console efforts and they've been releasing plenty of ports to have more time for other endeavours, yet here we are.
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Well I never said Splatoon 2 wasn't worth full price, it definitely is. I just think it's weird that kids under the age of 12, without credit cards, without any warning unless they read gaming forums, are going to lose most of the game's features suddenly. There was no giant warning on the box.
I understood the free online when it was as crap as it is now, but if they charge for it they really need to add some modern features (cough features Xbox Live had in 2004)
It honestly just sounds like you don't play that often with people online and I don't fault you for that. But it should be incredibly obvious to you that people expect basic streamlined functionality.
I can turn on my Xbox, see who's online, Press X and three different gamertags and have a 4-person party chat in a matter of seconds. "Hey, jump on this game with me, need a squad." I press one more button, every person gets an invite to the game which loads up with a single button press from them; we're then all thrown into the same in-game lobby, still in voice-chat. That's basic shit in 2018.
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I like using only one device to my gaming chat and believe me its my gaming system.
I would say most people use the chat and party functiona when available on other consoles. Y'all can use whatever you want but there is a convenience to using the built in stuff. Also, sometimes you don't have the players Discord, or phone number. Maybe they don't have those, etc.
The Switch is such a great system in many ways but there are plenty of baffling design choices and feature exclusions. Even some of their games are like that. For example, Splatoon 2. Fantastic game in general but heavily flawed in the online component.
Nintendo really needs to work on this. I won't frame it as "Nintendo hasn't caught up to 2018" because, well, everyone says that. The problem is more that Nintendo is continually too limiting in their services, and are seemingly not taking critical feedback in areas that they've repeatedly failed in.
I remember how I found Mario Kart Wii's online to be acceptable (in 2008) because it was such a success in terms of performance and Nintendo didn't have much of a track record at that time. But even then, the game lacked communication features. One could say that it's because Nintendo has always been overly protective of their player base but here we are a decade later and the same issue persists across their games (and the entire Switch platform itself) because they just won't respond to the demand for more robust online features.
The black mark will only look even worse if the paid service launches and doesn't fix the issues.
Nintendo really needs to work on this. I won't frame it as "Nintendo hasn't caught up to 2018" because, well, everyone says that. The problem is more that Nintendo is continually too limiting in their services, and are seemingly not taking critical feedback in areas that they've repeatedly failed in.
I remember how I found Mario Kart Wii's online to be acceptable (in 2008) because it was such a success in terms of performance and Nintendo didn't have much of a track record at that time. But even then, the game lacked communication features. One could say that it's because Nintendo has always been overly protective of their player base but here we are a decade later and the same issue persists across their games (and the entire Switch platform itself) because they just won't respond to the demand for more robust online features.
The black mark will only look even worse if the paid service launches and doesn't fix the issues.
It they think somebody is gonna get harassed just put a block and report feature in it, also allow you to set up parental controls that dont allow chat for kids, so simple
This is the most mindbogglingly missing feature on the Switch, when you can chat on Wii and WiiU
This is the most mindbogglingly missing feature on the Switch, when you can chat on Wii and WiiU
Of course I have other means to contact my friends but I'm not sure why I would need to. For example the other night one of my friends was on Lumines, another was on playing Mario Kart and a third was playing Hollow Knight, all I wanted to do was jump in a quick party and find out if they wanted to group up and play some Fortnite.
Instead I had to message two of them on WhatsApp and the other via discord, this is ridiculous when you think we are all playing on the same console.
Now for another even worse example, I've met a few decent players playing Street Fighter Anniversary we send friend invites to each other and then what??? I have no way on the system to communicate with that user to set up further matches etc.
There's almost no point in even having a friends list on Switch imo.
It really does and shows sweet fa.
OT: This thread got me thinkin of Nintendo paid online. Are they gonna paywall f2p stuff like Fortnite behind it?
It really does and shows sweet fa.
OT: This thread got me thinkin of Nintendo paid online. Are they gonna paywall f2p stuff like Fortnite behind it?
I believe they treat friend list as "friends I know personally" as opposed to how many people seem to treat them ("random dudes from internet"). Naturally, you would have other ways to communicate.
This is actually how I treat friend lists on my systems and why I have few "friends". It feels weird to have a bunch of strangers on my list due to playing a few matches of Overwatch or visiting a town in Animal Crossing.
This is actually how I treat friend lists on my systems and why I have few "friends". It feels weird to have a bunch of strangers on my list due to playing a few matches of Overwatch or visiting a town in Animal Crossing.
Yeah, it's ridiculous. I've lost count the amount of times I've wanted to send a message to a friend.
The 3DS already has the solution. Accounts of children under 13 have online interactions disabled unless the parent explicitly sends a request to Nintendo allowing it. Even then, it has to be enabled on a per-game basis.
So, there is nothing holding the Switch back form doing the same. I suspect Nintendo simply doesn't see the point of having strangers on friend lists.
Well, Switch Online launches in September. Maybe we will get an update then, maybe not.
Having friends is not useless. I love seeing what my friends are playing right night. I love knowing what they have played. I love this social feature. But it should be more. I agree.
Yeah, that's me. The system was rushed. I'm very surprised that they haven't made a slow trickle of updates. That would satisfy a lot of people. If they start charging and no update comes out, then I will agree with you that when it launched they had no intention or prioritizing such features. But it would be consistent with their MO to not tell us about it. (Bad idea.)
I almost never messaged anyone on the Wii or Wii U, other than the first month I got the system. It's a silly feature. Why type on a gamepad when I can use my phone to talk to my friends? It would be good for those of you who make new friends, and I cannot think of a reason it wasn't shipped with the system.
Instead, what I want:
The only reason to have messaging now is to make up for the fact that you cannot put social info in your bio. If they did that, it's not required. But yes, they should have messaging and more social features.
I think it's silly to believe something is coming without any evidence. They did very little to update the Wii U system. But a big update did come eventually. Did it help? On the other hand, I'm unwilling to say they are being regressive, because they are usually secretive. So I could see them holding it for the Switch Online release to have more people talk about it when it all launches in a few months.
Probably a bad PR move on their part.
Yes, I desperately want an app on my phone to interact with my Switch. Send messages, see my games list, check out if my friends have played any good games recently, see their reviews. And an activity feed so I can see what all my friends have recently played without going in to each profile. On my phone. And on the web, please.
Note: reviews went live, and then disappeared. Maybe because it is supposed to launch with Switch Online and was turned on by mistake. Nintendo being secretive. So they turned it off really quickly.
Don't have blind faith that they will add even half of what we want. But until the service officially launches, don't claim nothing will change by winter. We don't know.
Having friends is not useless. I love seeing what my friends are playing right night. I love knowing what they have played. I love this social feature. But it should be more. I agree.
Yeah, that's me. The system was rushed. I'm very surprised that they haven't made a slow trickle of updates. That would satisfy a lot of people. If they start charging and no update comes out, then I will agree with you that when it launched they had no intention or prioritizing such features. But it would be consistent with their MO to not tell us about it. (Bad idea.)
I almost never messaged anyone on the Wii or Wii U, other than the first month I got the system. It's a silly feature. Why type on a gamepad when I can use my phone to talk to my friends? It would be good for those of you who make new friends, and I cannot think of a reason it wasn't shipped with the system.
Instead, what I want:
- The ability to send secreenshots and suggested games
- The ability to use Switch Online app to message those people
- A website where I can read and reply to the messages
- Those message to also be on the Switch and replyable on the Switch
The only reason to have messaging now is to make up for the fact that you cannot put social info in your bio. If they did that, it's not required. But yes, they should have messaging and more social features.
I think it's silly to believe something is coming without any evidence. They did very little to update the Wii U system. But a big update did come eventually. Did it help? On the other hand, I'm unwilling to say they are being regressive, because they are usually secretive. So I could see them holding it for the Switch Online release to have more people talk about it when it all launches in a few months.
Probably a bad PR move on their part.
Yes, I desperately want an app on my phone to interact with my Switch. Send messages, see my games list, check out if my friends have played any good games recently, see their reviews. And an activity feed so I can see what all my friends have recently played without going in to each profile. On my phone. And on the web, please.
Note: reviews went live, and then disappeared. Maybe because it is supposed to launch with Switch Online and was turned on by mistake. Nintendo being secretive. So they turned it off really quickly.
Don't have blind faith that they will add even half of what we want. But until the service officially launches, don't claim nothing will change by winter. We don't know.
