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kiriku

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, I've seen this happen in certain discussions here and especially at the old place, usually in feminism related topics (from men not having the best views of women) where it is obvious they replace the word 'woman' with 'female'. I mean, yeah, you can probably explain away why it could be used technically, but in reality it just sounds bizarre.
 

Menx64

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Oct 30, 2017
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I do use female and male from time to time, but mostly when writing online. Female gamers/male gamers. I have never heard anything using female when talking, but good to know.
 

Aiii

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As someone with a useless English degree, reading through many of the replies in this thread is giving me a nervous tick.
It kind of reminds of hearing anti-trans people discuss how unnatural it is to use they as a pronoun. Which as you well know, is ridiculous since they is already a pronoun when referring to people whose gender you don't know (like when writing e-mails to someone you never met but with a unisex name). Though I would assume in this case it is less malicious.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I made a thread about "female" wrestles in the old country and was tagged as the Grand Nagus. I'm not a feminist but I tried to understand the problem and learn from what people we're trying to say.
 

LiK

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I'm not gonna accept that excuse when they're already showing rather fluent English ability. Also, adjectives and nouns are pretty much in all languages, so the difference is pretty obvious. I barely know Spanish, but I understand that the adjective "mojado" means wet and isn't offensive. But if I use it as a noun to for a Latin American person, then it is offensive.

Honestly, there are many many people who post here who have English as a secondary language and they would make mistakes. Just because they're fluent doesn't mean they understand all the ins and outs of the English langauge. We have people who are Americans who don't even understand basic English grammar sometimes.
 

Alienous

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think I use 'male' and 'female' in the same contexts. And I haven't been paying attention for it, but I can't recall any instances of hearing that distinction, and I feel like the awkwardness of it would stick out to me.

Male colleague, female colleague. I work with a lot of men, I work with a lot of women. I work with a lot of females? I suppose something like that could've flown under the awkwardness radar?

Maybe I'll notice it from now on.
 
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Wow.

Just wow.

I thought this was a joke thread.

Military background often lends me to say in a descriptive term when it comes to work, though.
The first sentence of the OP specifically mentions that this is about referring to men as men and women as female. Does your military background also lend you to responding to threads without reading the OP at all?
 

Shahed

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Oct 27, 2017
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People do this? As in refer to women as 'females'? That sounds bizarre, and I don't know anyone that does it and I've not really noticed it. Admittedly I may have missed it, but I'm usually quite obersvant and pick up on other people language.

I could understand female being as an adjective, or differentiator. Like a 'male colleague' and a 'female colleague'. But a straight up noun? That makes no sense. 'Men and females' sounds like the stupidest thing ever.
 

DoubleTake

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seriously though, who the fuck says "females" in casual conversation unless it's some sort of scientific topic dealing with sexes including and/or beyond humans?

As for "bitches", yea, I get that. Even I used to use the term while playing cards with my buddies left right and center a couple of years back. Context and relationship matters when using contentious terms like that.

You need to speak to more people. I've met a bunch of people who use Female to describe any woman theyve interacted with. "That female was so ___" "Females are ___". The difference between Bitches and Females is that people realize one is a contentious term, while many do not realize that female is just nearly as dehumanizing.
 

mael

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It kind of reminds of hearing anti-trans people discuss how unnatural it is to use they as a pronoun. Which as you well know, is ridiculous since they is already a pronoun when referring to people whose gender you don't know (like when writing e-mails to someone you never met but with a unisex name). Though I would assume in this case it is less malicious.
"they" is also used for plural regardless of gender so I have idea why using it for ungendered people would be weird as well.
Like it's some kind of foreign word no one ever heard of.
 

SugarNoodles

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Nov 3, 2017
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I'm sorry, but these types of arguments are a crock of shit. Saying that any random person has carte blanche to change vocabulary, discussion, and dictionary usage based on the feeling of a single person, or a small subset of people. I'm all for advocating for meaningful change or against derogatory language, but this nebulous middle ground requires discussion. It can't just be handwaved away that people who disagree are 'mansplaining'.
It can be discussed by women. You don't need to have any say over whether it's okay to refer to women as "females"

That's what's going on here. You're so used to having a say and being represented in literally everything that you can't even fathom the idea that just maybe your opinion doesn't matter here.
 

flkRaven

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Yes. And OP literally says that

Of course OP isn't talking about analytical or informational contexts

The OP says dick all and the title says 'Don't refer to women as females'. Honestly, this threads become so heated and controversial because they aren't well reasoned or explained, and honestly, I think OPs in these situations need to share some of the responsibility. If you make a thread that says 'Don't say this commonly said word' and your entire OP is 1 sentence with minimal explanation and a condescending 'thanks' at the end, I don't know what you can expect as an outcome.
 
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Honestly, there are many many people who post here who have English as a secondary language and they would make mistakes. Just because they're fluent doesn't mean they understand all the ins and outs of the English langauge. We have people who are Americans who don't even understand basic English grammar sometimes.
Adjectives and nouns are basics. I'm not buying people can write the way they do on this thread in English and don't understand that "she is a female doctor" is using it as an adjectice and "That female is nice" is using it as a noun.
 

collige

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Oct 31, 2017
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For context: here's a sampling of tweets posted with the word "females" over the last few minutes:
"Females that chys guys in a relationship are equivalent to that scummy pieces left in the drain after washing the dishes"
"Females be weird omm"
"Females who care about their follwer ratio are actually the worst"
"I need answers... Why do I stunt on these females? Do I not want the pussy anymore?"
"I got soooo many dirty looks saturday at Tiki from other females , yikes this is why I have more male friends"
"I don't trust no females except my mom and my sisters"
"Every female is some level of crazy. You just gotta pick your favorite type"
"A lot of females do be trying to be seen to much istg mfckers a go to sixflags or some with a whole skin tight dress and some heels on "
"Two Things I'll Never Do Is Put my Hands on a Female Nor Expose Them"

etc etc
 

thebeeks

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fuck all this "I just don't understand" nonsense. It isn't hard. It's such a weak excuse too. Referring to men as men and women as female has the clear connotation that you're not referring to women as people. Doesn't matter if that's not how you mean it. Learn some intraspection for once.

Well at least someone in here gets it.

Folks, OP just wanted you to know you sound like a skeez when using the word as a noun, but hey if y'all want to double down go nuts I guess.
 
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Yeah, I've seen this happen in certain discussions here and especially at the old place, usually in feminism related topics (from men not having the best views of women) where it is obvious they replace the word 'woman' with 'female'. I mean, yeah, you can probably explain away why it could be used technically, but in reality it just sounds bizarre.
Everyone knows by now the sort of dude who goes around referring to "females" all the time. Acting surprised about this, or seeking out a woman in their life who disagrees, is just some contrarian game they are playing.

They probably didn't even use the term like this much themselves, they just resent feminists telling anyone anything they should do differently, so they are compelled to come in and argue it. You can see this in some replies.
 

StuBurns

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The first sentence of the OP specifically mentions that this is about referring to men as men and women as female. Does your military background also lend you to responding to threads without reading the OP at all?
No, it does not. It says 'never more than when', as in the instance as a subset of the issue.

If it was exclusively in references to when the two opposing terms are used in-conjunction, that would make more sense.
 
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For everybody that just doesn't "get it", from now on start calling white people "white people" and start calling black people "the blacks". Because you apparently don't understand the importance of making sure you label all people as people.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If you wouldn't say "look at that male standing over there" then don't use the word "female" in that context either. It's not fucking hard. So many men clearly having a hard time using the word "women" shows how fucking low they value women. It's always "girls" or something clever or "females". Nah man, a grown woman is a woman. Deal with it and learn to not express yourself like a fucking child. Sheesh.
 
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Era members never cease to surprise with how out of touch they are socially.

No one is saying "never use female ever" but there is a clear difference in saying

"Females be like" as opposed to, "women be like" female what? Dogs? Cats? It's a bit dehumanizing and many women would rather you don't address them that way.
 

flkRaven

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It can be discussed by women. You don't need to have any say over whether it's okay to refer to women as "females"

That's what's going on here. You're so used to having a say and being represented in literally everything that you can't even fathom the idea that just maybe your opinion doesn't matter here.

Well then we will continue living in a world where the people that think it's offensive continue to be offended by it, while the other side that thinks that's dumb continues saying it because they don't give a fuck. lose-lose.
 

LiK

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Honestly, who has ever said "female" IRL when referring to a woman? I can barely think of a reason unless you're a cop like others have mentioned.
 

Musubi

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Seconded. It sounds like they're referring to women as like animals or something. It's a good way to know where that poster using 'females' is coming from and the type of social circle they have though (online or otherwise)

Nail on the head. That's exactly why it is gross.
 

Massicot

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It's not really "men and female in literally the same sentence", it's more "men and female in the same context".

'Those men over there vs those females over there'. 'The man at the counter gave me directions vs the female at the counter gave me directions'. Unless you really talk in the manner of "the male at the counter..."
 
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Right, and I'm all for that, but 'too clinical' is great distance from 'dehumanising as fuck'. I am a human, and as so I am also an animal, a mammal more specifically. For people to be offended by terms because they acknowledge humans as animals is just beyond stupid to me. You're already winning, we're already by orders of magnitude the winning species, do we have to pretend we're not even in the same biological domain? It's absurd.

As for 'African American', as an English person, no one says African European or whatever, so everyone says black here, but 'blacks', even though correct, I would go out of my way to avoid saying for some reason. I don't know why, nor would I use whites.
I feel like we're not on too different of pages then.

I wont tell OP how to feel as a woman, and like most things on the internet, maybe there was a bit of hyperbole in the post?

I hope she doesn't curl up into a ball every time she's called "a female", but it probably does irk her because its so clinical, and she made this thread simply to vent, idk.

I feel like people are getting WAY too hung up on the level to which they feel it effects OP, without stopping to think, "yea, it probably is annoying, and something we can hopefully curb in the future."

OT: Your point about "the blacks" is a whole different topic, and yes, you are correct for avoiding saying it, because it's dehumanizing without even having the benefit of being clinical. Contextually its a term like 'colored' and 'negro' that harkens back to a way darker (heh) place in Black history, and it also sounds very othering. But enough on that.
 

Huey

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Good lord, that first page.

With you, OP - haven't actually seen it being used that way and glad I haven't - it would look completely odd with high ick factor.
 

PhazonBlonde

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I don't see what the big deal is.
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Are you fishing for an avatar quote?
 

LosDaddie

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The OP says dick all and the title says 'Don't refer to women as females'. Honestly, this threads become so heated and controversial because they aren't well reasoned or explained, and honestly, I think OPs in these situations need to share some of the responsibility. If you make a thread that says 'Don't say this commonly said word' and your entire OP is 1 sentence with minimal explanation and a condescending 'thanks' at the end, I don't know what you can expect as an outcome.
I said that on this very page. I agree OP did a bad job, I'm trying to give you additional information. However, I'd argue OP did talk about context when they said people who say "man" then in the same breath says "female". Pretty clearly points out the context we're talking about
 

TwoCoins

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What a ridiculous thing to get worked up about. I don't even think it's a divisive word with most females in general. It's not even meant to be an offensive word? Maybe in context? But anything can sound offensive in that kind of context. if anything i'm sure most females/ladies/women will be offended that you are trying to speak for them and not for yourself. If it bothers you then correct someone who does and move on. But don't make a blanket statement like it's unanimous.
 
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NaDannMaGoGo

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The reason people do this is because subconsciously some men have this weird hang-up about referring to their adult female counterparts as "women." They can't call us "girls" (although many of them do anyway) because a "girl" is usually a young person, so they fall back on "females," which is weird as hell.

Yeh, I wouldn't be surprised if that plays a major role.
 
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