No one really cares. If you keep going into Musk threads to talk down people being mean to him or telling people that they should not hate on him, you will be called a stan. If you don't want to be called a stan maybe stop going into threads defending a billionaire who calls other people pedos.
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Elon Musk calls British diver who helped rescue Thai kids a PEDO after receiving criticism
- Thread starter Horse Armour
- Start date
Imagine how angry this poster would be if they had been called a paedophile instead.
Don't make me quote a bunch of posts from the Flint water thread. It will be embarrassing for you.
I guess it's because there is a lot of stuff you would have to have turned a blind eye to in the past. But mounting awfulness is hard to ignore.
you are a pedo sympathiser or a tesla shill, there is zero middle ground
*full disclosure, i do / do not have shares in tesla (delete as applicable)
*full disclosure, i do / do not have shares in tesla (delete as applicable)
For someone who supposedly has so much power and influence he sounds fragile as hell.
Not that that's a particular unusual mix of personality traits.
Not that that's a particular unusual mix of personality traits.
Musk would get fucked too, because libel is particularly rough in the UK. Celebrities all over the world come to our courts because our libel laws are so harsh.
Definitely not, but it would require him to publish a public apology rectifying his accusations.
alright, I'm going to reply to this one in detail because I have always enjoyed your posts + what you've done for both communities over the many years. plus I think there is an issue that pretty much every mod + admin here has been dodging for the last few weeks/months.
for the record, I've posted in 2 Musk threads in the last week (extensively); this and the one about Flint. if you read my posts in the Flint one, you'd see clearly I'm not going out to bat for anybody. I don't care enough about Musk, or any figure, to go out and bat for them. If you go and check my post history in detail you'll, see I post exclusively in like 3 threads, all having to do with Japanese learning. I don't venture out into OT as I've done in these 2 threads unless I feel there is a good reason.
What I did do in that thread is call out everybody who felt the need to add to that thread exclusively to shit on Musk. In a thread about him tweeting to help out Flint (the topic). The only reason you should have been posting in that thread would be to discuss the TOPIC, instead, it's somehow fair game to derail the thread with poor drive-by posts that amount to "fuck Musk" and "the submarine was a lie!!" and "he abused his ex-wife!" etc etc. All those things very well may be true, but they don't have anything to do with the topic, aside for involving Musk. Which just is not enough to warrant those types of responses. Posts and behaviour like that is exactly what fucked up GAF; it was literally all or nothing, black and white. You had to be on one side, or you were the enemy. And the exact same thing is starting to happen here, and I saw that in that Flint thread, and I called it out. Of course, because I went against the grain, and the majority currently wants to shit on Musk, that got lost and I got labelled a stan, or shill. Real nice.
Now we are in this thread, where it's become very clear Musk is unhinged. And it's worse - now there's indisputable proof the dude is dirt, so it's a free for all to just shit on Musk. Why should a thread like this even be open? It's just a dog-pile, it's just festering hate and negativity. But it's A-OK because the dude is an asshole? That's so messed up, and just helps perpetuate the negativity here, reinforcing the idea that it's OK to post shit as long as you're on the right side. That fucking sucks, and so I called it out here again. And of course, like clockwork, I get called a stan.
Let me make it clear in case it isn't clear enough - I don't give a flying fuck about Elon Musk. My issue is with encouraging and enabling people to just shit on things because we all agree they are bad. We are better than that, surely? I shouldn't have to say "I think Elon Musk is a dickhead too. But can we just stop shitting on him for the sake of it?" every time I post. You don't get to just call somebody a stan or a shill because they think the opposite of you. Before the conversation has even started, you've already written the other poster off. If you want to think it, think it. But if you're going to post it...surely the mods and admin team should be curbing that kind of discourse? I shouldn't have to click report on every post and write an explanation as to why it stinks - for the record I haven't clicked report on any of people who decided to call me a stan with nothing to back it up. Coz it's not going to change anything. That posting attitude is on yourselves. Just think next time - would I say this out loud? Would I do this at work? ...most likely not.
Anyway, that's all I have to say on the matter. Don't just call people a stan or shill because they're not coming out and saying "fUCK MUSK!". Don't just assume the worst in people. I'm not looking down on anybody because I'm no better than anybody here. But fuck, people, don't fucking engage in the same negativity that totally fucked up the last community.
Also, yes yes to everybody that @'d me, I shouldn't have said the fucky words so many times. I'm Australian, I still don't think it's uncivil.
I am a huge fan of a lot of his work and products. But that the guy is an asshole in many ways I have no doubt about. This is a bit worse than I expected him to say publicly but not by much.
What a disgusting thing to assume about a person he has no knowledge of besides that short interview. It would be bad enough if he thought it or simply said it at his home in front of his friends or something, but going out on Twitter and publicly accuse a person who worked to save some kids' lives a fucking pedophile? Musk's involvement in all this has been embarassing from the get go, trying to score a quick win on the backs of kids and families living a tragedy, but him doubling down on the bullshit is the worst. I fully expect him to accuse the kids next who must have gone in there only for his tech to be made fun of.
Are Musk fans always so sensitive? Good grief, go outside and enjoy the cool air, man.
There's no shame in being a Stan as long as you are civil :)
I mean the dude risked his life along with the other rescuers, one of his divers colleagues actually died, and suddenly a billionaire uninvited come in looking for good PR by making use of the tragedy, making it all about him instead of the children or the amazing people that actually go down there and risking their life to save others.
"Shove it up the arse" is very polite, all things considering.
"Shove it up the arse" is very polite, all things considering.
Yeah that would hurt more.
Probably is already hiring some PI to dig up dirt on the diver though.
So what you're saying is the place is too negative because people make threads on negative news and to reinforce your message of positively you tell people to go fuck themselves.
Dude, seriously.
You're tone policing while telling anyone you disagree with to do one. And then claiming not to be uncivil?
I don't know where to start.
I think there's some nuance and reasonable points in that big post but I don't have time to reply in detail right now, so I'll just address this one point that stood out.
He accused one of the divers of being a pedophile in a public tweet. Why shouldn't the thread be open, why shouldn't people be talking about it, why SHOULDN'T he be shat on? Like, I'm failing to see why people shouldn't be allowed to call out someone for saying something completely reprehensible. There are threads taking dumps on racists, bad politicians, actors, Trump, etc all the time. Of course it's A-OK when someone does something terrible and people choose to react to it. What is your stake in it? Why does it bother you that people are being mean and dog-piling on someone who clearly deserves it and has shown no sign of contrition? That's a really weird take. Like, at best if you don't care, you wouldn't even be in this thread. Why would you care? Why does it "suck" that people are "ganging up" on a billionaire dipshit who shoots his mouth off on Twitter and says disgusting things? Fuck him!
It's a thread, because it's news.
The CEO billionaire of a 50 billion dollar publicly listed company slandering a diver who helped rescue 13 people from certain death as a pedophile is newsworthy and threadworthy.
Why does it matter if it results in many people posting that he's a terrible person after he does a terrible thing?
If he didn't want people talking about him calling a rescue diver a pedophile, he probably shouldn't have called him a pedophile.
The CEO billionaire of a 50 billion dollar publicly listed company slandering a diver who helped rescue 13 people from certain death as a pedophile is newsworthy and threadworthy.
Why does it matter if it results in many people posting that he's a terrible person after he does a terrible thing?
If he didn't want people talking about him calling a rescue diver a pedophile, he probably shouldn't have called him a pedophile.
Regarding his idea for a mini-sub, I believe he was genuinely interested in finding solutions and not approaching it from the perspective of doing a PR stunt, but he needs to realise he doesn't have to have a hand in everything, especially when an actual rescue operation was happening simultaneously that needed more attention relatively.
And then the pedo accusation was him just going nuts when backed up against a wall. Just apologize and move on, geez.
And then the pedo accusation was him just going nuts when backed up against a wall. Just apologize and move on, geez.
I don't think that's what I said, at least it wasn't the point I was trying to get across.
Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have told them to go fuck themselves, that's not helping anything. Sorry about that. At the same time, I shouldn't get labelled something I'm not just cause I said something was unfunny/implied it was excessive.
Yeah, you're 100% right. I think I was still on edge because of the Flint thread; which was before the baseless Pedo accusation BS he came out with today. My bad dude.
SpaceX is doing very well and Tesla managed to hit that 5k a week target despite a lot of adversity. Engineering is hard but his companies make successes.
Probably best to keep all the staff of his companies separate from the chief dude on Twitter as that blurs the conversation.
I can emphasise with thinking a dude is a bad person when your only interaction with them has been to tell you to stick something you and your team worked hard on up your own arse. That is irrelevant, of course, to the return insult that was way too nasty to justify. He should apologise.
I am interested to know if SpaceX's capsule could have actually been of use, and I am hoping that attempt does happen. Getting SpaceX as a company capable of tackling odd life-or-death engineering problems quickly is a good idea given they are attempting to build a rocket that can get a human to Mars.
I think when you become that successful and wealthy, when you make decisions every day that affect hundreds of millions of dollars, you become very intolerant of back-biting 'nobodies' on the internet. I've personally observed this mentality. Musk probably sees himself as someone with vast credibility when he speaks, and then gets very frustrated when the haters roll in, exceedingly few of which Musk views as having legitimate standing and credibility to speak against him.
What a reprehensible asshole. Musk shows up there with a useless tin can while slandering someone who actually contributed something. Fucking pathetic.
Dude should have just shrugged and moved on if nobody wanted to use his sub.
Bad form for Elon stooping low to throw insults over the internet
Bad form for Elon stooping low to throw insults over the internet
For the record I think the Flint thread was pretty bad. I did not participate in it at all, and during the Thailand rescue, I saw no reason to shit on Musk for trying to help. It was only after the rescue was successful and he started being passive aggressive about people who said the submarine wasn't a good fit for the rescue mission, that I felt he was showing his bad side again. Before that he was also pretty bad on Twitter when accused of using the art on a mug he liked to promote the Tesla drawing app.
I think that he's a rich opportunist who has access to a lot of engineering solutions. If for whatever personal reason good or bad, he feels driven to help in situations where his technology can make any difference to people who are in need of help, that is a net benefit for the world. But at the same time he's also not a nice person, behaves like an arrogant prick on social media, and isn't really deserving to be a role model for anyone. I can understand the frustration that anything he tries to help on now turns into a toxic topic because of his nature. But it's hard for me to empathize with him. I do think that the discourse can be better and sometimes there's no need to say anything at all if the only thing to be said is negative and bad in a situation that doesn't really call for it. But yeah, here he called someone a pedo with no justification at all and that's really bad.
This is some artful juxtaposition here:
How to clown someone in neutral news-style 101.
If he wanted to invest in innovative rescue equipment, he could have been doing that for years already.
But that isn't what he cared about, he cared about his reputation first and foremost. Otherwise he could have just assisted actual experts in the field by cutting a cheque, supporting the ongoing operation with finance for travel/equipment etc. He wanted to get attention for being at the centre of the rescue effort, and I am glad that an actual expert who was putting his life on the line as part of the rescue effort is calling him on his bullshit.
I believe Musk has genuine good intentions to do good in everything he does. Just like the time he donated money to the GOP, he did it to help all of us so anytime the GOP act evil, he can call them up to deliver his strongly worded rebuke. We don't deserve Musk.
I don't understand this, honest. If Musk truly believes that, and I suppose there's no need for an if considering his pedo insult, then he truly really lack self awareness of any kind.
My angle in the Flint thread was; he does a lot to try and help (whether for PR or not), and while that doesn't excuse him being a total dickhead, for that reason there's no need to shit on him relentlessly.
However, after calling Vern a pedo today, it's clear to me that he is unhinged. He needs to be held accountable for it, because his goodwill has helped him get away with being a twat for a long time. Now evidently too long. I don't think there is any defending him from this point out though. He would need to change A LOT to turn it around.
This comes from Gary Glitter btw, a lot of you won't know him, but he was a pedophile who moved to Thailand to do more pedophiling, there was a documentary about how young girls are being sold in Thailand etc for anyone with money...
Glitter came back when sick to use our NHS
So middle aged guy from UK lives in Thailand, must be a pedophile..... that is his link (as nuts as it is)
Glitter came back when sick to use our NHS
So middle aged guy from UK lives in Thailand, must be a pedophile..... that is his link (as nuts as it is)
