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The controversial ArenaNet firings of Guild Wars 2 writers (READ OP)
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I'm pretty sure they're just saying actual women would know what's sexist or not more than than men considering their gender is so frequently the target of it.
It's like going to a thread where a black person is a target of racism and telling other black people in the thread whats actually racism or not, their opinion holds more weight compared to yours for this topic.
Sure.
And the best way to express that is a low effort "look at this man talking to this woman" post via avatar quotes.
Solid discussion all around.
You can, but your perspective is not the same since you aren't regularly harassed because of your gender. While this looks like a clear cut case of a worker being mean on Twitter, it actually isn't.
You're judging the thread by one poster, and the poster in question likes to troll or make gatcha posts like that.
Maybe you'll notice that said man told me that men weren't in this thread telling women what was and wasn't sexist, then proceeded to tell me what was and wasn't sexist. You're surprised people pointed out that lovely bit of irony? He literally proved my point.
Never heard of this person before but man she was lucky she didn't get fired for that total biscuit tweet alone.
So tasteless.
So tasteless.
Just catching up on all of this. It seems like there are two, separate, important issues here that are entangled together and sorta muddying eachother.
- The inital reply she got to her 1st tweet was so civil and genuinely reads like wanting to have a nice discussion. Her reply to it (at least without the context of the hate-campaigns she's apparently been a target of) is so uncalled for. Twitter is not a 1person coversation. You put stuff up, you'll get replies. Sometimes it won't be an echo-chamber. Not sure it warrants full-on firing though.
- There's a history of GG types targeting this person and her job? If that's the case, for her employer to fire her without touching on this in a statement at all is fucking tone-deaf at best, and complicit with redpill-gaming at worst.
I just wanted to pop back in and comment on one funny thing, Deroir's original (and only) statement on the controversy where he ends it with the hilariously performative hashtag "IAmAFeminist."
Nothing says "male feminist ally" like standing by silently while a massive harassment wave engulfs the female gaming community. He can't condemn the harassment lest he be mistaken for supporting Price, so he stays silent. His pride is more important than their safety.
Nothing says "male feminist ally" like standing by silently while a massive harassment wave engulfs the female gaming community. He can't condemn the harassment lest he be mistaken for supporting Price, so he stays silent. His pride is more important than their safety.
User Banned (Permanent): Attempted thread derail, misrepresenting prior ban, account still in the junior phase, length permanent by own request.
So i copped a temp ban for expressing my disgust at news outlets pushing JP's fictional victim angle ("Journalistic Villafication"), is calling out bullshit in the gaming media really a ban able offense the mod team wants to stand behind at resetera?
Regardless of gender you can not treat customers in the service industry that way and expect to keep your job. Anet is one of the most inclusive developers i have ever supported and the community is one of the best you will find in any online game, yet because the victim angle drives page clicks and causes common sense and logic fly the fuck out the window, here we are...
I'm done with this subject, feel free to make my ban permanent if believing JP got fired for no other reason then her unprofessional conduct is too harsh a reality.
Regardless of gender you can not treat customers in the service industry that way and expect to keep your job. Anet is one of the most inclusive developers i have ever supported and the community is one of the best you will find in any online game, yet because the victim angle drives page clicks and causes common sense and logic fly the fuck out the window, here we are...
I'm done with this subject, feel free to make my ban permanent if believing JP got fired for no other reason then her unprofessional conduct is too harsh a reality.
Yeah the guy Price launched a harassment campaign against should speak up about her harassment. That is funny, especially since we haven't seen her say a damn thing about that.
Hilariously performative would be a good slogan for this site tbh.
I know this topic has been beaten to death, and I apologize for the long post, but I want to lead with some truths and then follow with my opinions.
Jessica Price is the victim of harassment at the hands of regressive gamers (Gamergate, whatever you want to call them), and this began long before this incident, due to her outspoken brand of feminism and positions on social justice. Truth.
Gamergate harassers amplified the controversy far beyond the level of the Guild Wars 2 community itself. Truth.
As a F2P/B2P MMO, Guild Wars 2's profitability is heavily tied to community engagement and continued community goodwill. The in-game gem shop is how the game sustains itself. Truth.
Now my opinion, such as it is:
Deroir's initial criticism, while polite, very well could have fallen under man-splaining. I certainly see how it could have been taken that way. As a POC, I deal with this kind of stuff myself in the workplace and I can understand how frustrating that is. However. When you are "on the clock", so to speak, you can't call someone an asshat. It is totally unprofessional.
Once Price made the first insulting comment to Deroir, IMO she entered "official written warning" territory. If the guy was just a random Twitter user, maybe, but he's a fan content creator for GW2 with a couple of thousand people he engages with. When she followed up with the poorly-substantiated accusation of sexism (to someone who, on Twitch the day before, profusely expressed his admiration for her work!) she moved beyond warnings. This, to me, was the last straw:
Again, Guild Wars 2 is a game that lives and dies by the playerbase's goodwill. That isn't a blank check for sexist harassment by the playerbase but when Price took polite (if awkward) criticism from a community content creator and responded with this tweet, which basically says "fuck the players", then she had to be fired.
Additionally, Jessica Price (and Fries in defense of her!) fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the Twitter platform. Twitter is an open discussion platform. What's more, the phrase in her Twitter bio, "ArenaNet Narrative team", puts her on the clock. See, you don't get to have it both ways. What Price wanted to do was include that phrase, and commit endless "argument from authority" fallacies. If you want to have a private Twitter account as a dev, post under a pseudonym. Or post under your real name, but don't identify your employer in any way.
Furthermore, Price's comments after her firing show no self-awareness at all. That's so disappointing.
Gamergate is a hate movement. It hurts to hand them a "win", absolutely. But ultimately the argument here on Resetera is how we as an online progressive-leaning community handle people who are politically aligned with us but make very public mistakes. In a much smaller way this Jessica Price controversy reminds me of the recent "MAGA hat drink incident" or even the Al Franken incident. Price's transgression was not nearly as gross but nonetheless she made a mistake, and she paid the price. In general I think the Guild Wars 2 community seems to agree with her termination. Fries, the actual community seems divided. Personally I think he could have been retained, but with a written warning and a public apology, but it makes sense that ArenaNet wanted to distance themself from both former employees.
This is a long video but it makes great points and I generally agree with what he's saying.
This comment has been called out a million times. It's one of the most wrong-headed things I have ever read here on ERA. You don't understand how criticism works. Should ever film critic be a professional filmmaker? Every restaurant critic be a professional chef? I mean, you are making commentary on professional criticism but you aren't a professional critic yourself!
Jessica Price is the victim of harassment at the hands of regressive gamers (Gamergate, whatever you want to call them), and this began long before this incident, due to her outspoken brand of feminism and positions on social justice. Truth.
Gamergate harassers amplified the controversy far beyond the level of the Guild Wars 2 community itself. Truth.
As a F2P/B2P MMO, Guild Wars 2's profitability is heavily tied to community engagement and continued community goodwill. The in-game gem shop is how the game sustains itself. Truth.
Now my opinion, such as it is:
Deroir's initial criticism, while polite, very well could have fallen under man-splaining. I certainly see how it could have been taken that way. As a POC, I deal with this kind of stuff myself in the workplace and I can understand how frustrating that is. However. When you are "on the clock", so to speak, you can't call someone an asshat. It is totally unprofessional.
Once Price made the first insulting comment to Deroir, IMO she entered "official written warning" territory. If the guy was just a random Twitter user, maybe, but he's a fan content creator for GW2 with a couple of thousand people he engages with. When she followed up with the poorly-substantiated accusation of sexism (to someone who, on Twitch the day before, profusely expressed his admiration for her work!) she moved beyond warnings. This, to me, was the last straw:
Again, Guild Wars 2 is a game that lives and dies by the playerbase's goodwill. That isn't a blank check for sexist harassment by the playerbase but when Price took polite (if awkward) criticism from a community content creator and responded with this tweet, which basically says "fuck the players", then she had to be fired.
Additionally, Jessica Price (and Fries in defense of her!) fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the Twitter platform. Twitter is an open discussion platform. What's more, the phrase in her Twitter bio, "ArenaNet Narrative team", puts her on the clock. See, you don't get to have it both ways. What Price wanted to do was include that phrase, and commit endless "argument from authority" fallacies. If you want to have a private Twitter account as a dev, post under a pseudonym. Or post under your real name, but don't identify your employer in any way.
Furthermore, Price's comments after her firing show no self-awareness at all. That's so disappointing.
Gamergate is a hate movement. It hurts to hand them a "win", absolutely. But ultimately the argument here on Resetera is how we as an online progressive-leaning community handle people who are politically aligned with us but make very public mistakes. In a much smaller way this Jessica Price controversy reminds me of the recent "MAGA hat drink incident" or even the Al Franken incident. Price's transgression was not nearly as gross but nonetheless she made a mistake, and she paid the price. In general I think the Guild Wars 2 community seems to agree with her termination. Fries, the actual community seems divided. Personally I think he could have been retained, but with a written warning and a public apology, but it makes sense that ArenaNet wanted to distance themself from both former employees.
This is a long video but it makes great points and I generally agree with what he's saying.
This comment has been called out a million times. It's one of the most wrong-headed things I have ever read here on ERA. You don't understand how criticism works. Should ever film critic be a professional filmmaker? Every restaurant critic be a professional chef? I mean, you are making commentary on professional criticism but you aren't a professional critic yourself!
i get what you mean, but this narrative people can post can 100% be warped and twisted by Gamergate. "i mean what does anita have knowledge in narrative storytelling"
it still funny that the progressive still see gamergate as fat smelly virgins. always see the villians as a threat.
I never realized that Deroir's tweets were written 18 hours before her answers. This was nothing that just popped up at the top of her mentions that she had a knee-jerk reaction to immediately. This was something that had been there for 18 hours, and yes she was tweeting and retweeting lots of stuff a couple of hours after his comments.
He said on stream that he was sure she had just ignored it, which would have been fine to him. But she decided to go through her mentions and pick this one out and retweet as the sexist comment of the day. But then I also realized, thanks to the Twitter advanced search, that I can't find anything hateful or mean aimed at her on Twitter the days before this. Even when she during these days tweeted a bunch of stuff that would be veeeery easy for the hate mob to harass her for (because they are insane and awful beings).
So okay, Deroir's tweets are the "worst" she had gotten that week and I can see that with her outlook she took them as something he never intended. But people have been saying that she must be tired of all the mansplaining and awful tweets she's getting allt he time due to the hate mob and his tweet was just one of many and so on. No, you can search for yourself, there is almost nothing negative at all to be found directed at her Twitter handle days before this situation happened. Just lots and lots of praise and support about her Twitter thread that Deroir also responded to and posts about how hard it is to be a female dev or just a dev in general, for example.
Stuff like this (that I agree with):
(click the tweet to see the nice answers)
I don't doubt that there is a hate mob after her, I have seen the threads around the time ArenaNet hired her and the horrific harassment she gets now. But they were not on Twitter for days before this at least. Not even her TB tweet that I assume should have angered the gators has any hateful answers before it was flooded by haters after 4th of july (and now it's a cesspool of course, gah these people make my blood boil).
He said on stream that he was sure she had just ignored it, which would have been fine to him. But she decided to go through her mentions and pick this one out and retweet as the sexist comment of the day. But then I also realized, thanks to the Twitter advanced search, that I can't find anything hateful or mean aimed at her on Twitter the days before this. Even when she during these days tweeted a bunch of stuff that would be veeeery easy for the hate mob to harass her for (because they are insane and awful beings).
So okay, Deroir's tweets are the "worst" she had gotten that week and I can see that with her outlook she took them as something he never intended. But people have been saying that she must be tired of all the mansplaining and awful tweets she's getting allt he time due to the hate mob and his tweet was just one of many and so on. No, you can search for yourself, there is almost nothing negative at all to be found directed at her Twitter handle days before this situation happened. Just lots and lots of praise and support about her Twitter thread that Deroir also responded to and posts about how hard it is to be a female dev or just a dev in general, for example.
Stuff like this (that I agree with):
(click the tweet to see the nice answers)
I don't doubt that there is a hate mob after her, I have seen the threads around the time ArenaNet hired her and the horrific harassment she gets now. But they were not on Twitter for days before this at least. Not even her TB tweet that I assume should have angered the gators has any hateful answers before it was flooded by haters after 4th of july (and now it's a cesspool of course, gah these people make my blood boil).
Nope, unless employers feel like paying for it, working for a place and having a twitter doesn't put you on the clock. And developers don't owe you a courteous reply, funny how the "twitter is open discussion" gets conflated with "twitter required to give me the replies i want to hear from people I @"
As said probably a 1000 times allrdy It's a bit different if you sport your company and position in your profile and talk about work related things and in Price's case directly after an official AMA as well.
people getting fired over social media isn't some shocking new thing, but she should of at least been given a mark, and have a big long talk to HR, the guy is what should be scaring folks, 13 years at the company and fired within 24 hours after tweets that wasn't as "problematic" as price.
anet fired a straight white male after working for them for 13 years for defending a co-worker should scare you more then anything involving JP.
anet fired a straight white male after working for them for 13 years for defending a co-worker should scare you more then anything involving JP.
People keep ignoring this cause it doesn't fit with their agenda. If she was filmed on the street in work uniform yelling at someone on the street you would be damn sure she'd be fired too. Social media is not a private talk its a public statement. ANET may be assholes but they are fully within their rights to remove someone they feel is damaging their brand publicly. Also as Hero2Zero is right its pretty damning how people who get so worked up couldn't give less of an rats ass about the senior worker getting fired for siding with her.
I don't have ArenaNet's social media policy in front of me, but a standard social media policy in the modern workplace holds individuals responsible for their social media interactions. Especially when they identify themselves as being an employee or associated with an organization. At that point you are a direct representative to the public.
As Price herself notes in a prior tweet, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.
When your social media presence costs your employer money, there are going to be consequences. Many other posters, and I'll join them in this, note that if we made social media postings to a public forum attacking a prominent customer with personal insults and allegations of prejudice, we would be terminated on the spot.
Firing her immediately seems like a bit of an overraction, but her responses were shitty.
The dude was only suggesting improvements, and she went straight hostile against him.
It was totally unnecessary, especially when her original tweet was this:
I'm an indie game dev, and players suggest improvements all the damn time, some impractical, or just dumb ideas.
But that's just the nature of the beast. It's not "mansplaining", It's just how players tend to engage. They think they know how to instantly fix a game.
Especially in live service games, people are demanding improvements all the damn time (Destiny 2?)
As a developer, you're in the position of power to say whatever you want.
She could have said anything or even better say NOTHING.
The dude was only suggesting improvements, and she went straight hostile against him.
It was totally unnecessary, especially when her original tweet was this:
She was the one who was looking for discussion in the first place.
I'm an indie game dev, and players suggest improvements all the damn time, some impractical, or just dumb ideas.
But that's just the nature of the beast. It's not "mansplaining", It's just how players tend to engage. They think they know how to instantly fix a game.
Especially in live service games, people are demanding improvements all the damn time (Destiny 2?)
As a developer, you're in the position of power to say whatever you want.
She could have said anything or even better say NOTHING.
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This thread is a pretty sickening read, from the lack of grasp on reality by a lot of posters to the mods biased bannings/lack of bannings on certain members and blanket protection of the gaming press for their downright shoddy reporting on this matter. In no sane world should have this have been anything more than a cut and dry termination after severely inappropriate comments by Price made towards a fan(and arguably the entire fanbase) who at most if you view it in a certain subtext was slightly condescending in his approach but clearly not malicious, with Fries being fired for fully endorsing her toxic behavior. The true victim here is Dorier who was excited to engage with someone he respected and only got shat on from her pedestal in return, then was made into the villain by posters here who will refuse to put any blame on Price for here objectively toxic behavior, preferring to read malicious subtext into his posts, blame him for her firing and accuse him of being a misogynist GGer.
I've seen a poster literally bark at people's posts that they disagreed with in this thread and not be banned. Surreal.
I've seen a poster literally bark at people's posts that they disagreed with in this thread and not be banned. Surreal.
I don't think the story isn't cut and dry due to the context surrounding the firing. There was apparently no guideline or social media policy at her workplace. Price was someone who had been the target of hateful harassment and attacks in the past. Probably most significantly, the firing of Price in correlation to the community uproar against her has led to empowered hateful groups targeting other women in the games industry.
I'm personally very glad that game journalists are covering this story so intently.
Also, the "bark" post was calling someone out for dog whistling. I don't think people are calling Derior a misogynist GGer here either.
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tbh I'm mildly surprised that game journalists can keep this story rolling, it must be bringing in ad clicks if they keep getting editor approval to keep shifting content about it, which is interesting in of itself for those platforms that this kind of drama brings in clicks.
Really though, the issue is how do you make a social media policy that precludes "well the employee said things on Twitter that lost the company business" being a fire-able offence. I don't think any company in the world would want to have a formal policy of you get an official first chance for every social media screwup, and Price's reply was definitely a screw-up in the sense that it risked losing GW2 a lot of business if it snowballed into major Guild Wars 2 ignores the fans drama. One can only speculate about Guild Wars 2 player numbers and store purchases over the last week, and whether they've gone up and down.
Every company is going to reserve the right to fire someone based on them losing customers via their social media posting, there's no long term solution to this really. And I don't really expect union pressure to actually work in the game industry of all places, game industry sweatshop and crunch is something nobody has fixed in the entire time it has been running sadly.
Really though, the issue is how do you make a social media policy that precludes "well the employee said things on Twitter that lost the company business" being a fire-able offence. I don't think any company in the world would want to have a formal policy of you get an official first chance for every social media screwup, and Price's reply was definitely a screw-up in the sense that it risked losing GW2 a lot of business if it snowballed into major Guild Wars 2 ignores the fans drama. One can only speculate about Guild Wars 2 player numbers and store purchases over the last week, and whether they've gone up and down.
Every company is going to reserve the right to fire someone based on them losing customers via their social media posting, there's no long term solution to this really. And I don't really expect union pressure to actually work in the game industry of all places, game industry sweatshop and crunch is something nobody has fixed in the entire time it has been running sadly.
That never made any sense to me... So BDS was responding to the dog whistling (code for bigoted language that only fellow bigots can hear)? Or were the barks just from imaginary "dogs" and not supposed to be from BDS?
What doesn't make sense, the idea of a non-bigot noticing a dog whistle, or the post itself?
If so, yeah, it's the latter.
In retrospect the biggest mistake I made in this thread is assuming people know who Racism Watchdog is.
Well, that dog has a new follower now!
Noticing it is one thing, but if it's for the dogs (the bigots in the analogy), then barking would be a response from the bigots, no? Maybe I'm thinking too much about this one. It just didn't make sense to me (or most others, it seems).
Sure, but who hears and responds to the dog whistles? The "dogs," who would supposedly "bark," no? Anyway, I'll get off this derail now.
racism watchdog only works because they're a dog and they only bark at racist things, so when they're barking you know why
i got barked at in this thread for no other reason than someone disagreed with me and it made no sense and added nothing to the discussion
i got barked at in this thread for no other reason than someone disagreed with me and it made no sense and added nothing to the discussion
Did, you, uh, read that before linking?
I'm just talking about what "barking" might represent in the analogy if the ones hearing the coded language (the dog whistle) are dogs... who bark.
Barking is reacting to the coded phrases. Those who can hear them bark. Read the United States section of the wikipedia article again.
Yeah I have actually changed my stance over the course of this thread, from where I started out thinking she was rightly fired, to now being of the opinion she shouldn't have been fired if she apologised for her conduct
I'm sure she has had to deal with a ton of harassment before this incident simply because a) she is a women and b) GG assholes are scum, but I don't think you can hand wave away anything that someone does because they have unfairly had to deal with a lot of shit
No matter how people try and spin what the streamer said, she shouldn't have acted in the way she did. Even if she read his comments as being condescending, you don't shit on someone and then highlight them as an example of being a shitty person when you're talking about a customer while discussing your work and advertising your place of work on your profile
Her employer should have asked her to Tweet an apology, and if she did, they should have fully backed her against any attacks from GG assholes. Had she decided to double down then she 100% should have been sacked
However her employer have let themselves down by not giving her the chance to make amends, and as she was clearly a talented dev and good at her job it's sadly a situation with no winners
That said, I can't understand why people are so reluctant to place any blame on Price for being an asshole. It's possible to say the employer fucked up and she shouldn't have been sacked without somehow demonising the streamer or hand-waving away her unprofessional and rude behaviour
Saying "as a women in games you get a ton of awful shit so if you snap at some poor bastard that's totally ok" is exactly the kind of thing that fuels these GG assholes, who already think women get special treatment and wield undue influence
It's a little amazing we're still seeing posts saying her firing was legal, when virtually no one is arguing the opposite. People are not saying they couldn't fire her. They're saying they shouldn't have. Very distinct difference here. And really people need to stop saying no one cares that fries was fired. and how telling that is. That is just false and misleading.
The first part is where I stand, and I still got several people in this thread twisting my words to somehow be a defense of Price's conduct for merely saying it's possible to recognise she acted foolishly whilst also condemning the abuse she's facing in the aftermath.
Sometimes, people are gonna take whatever meaning they're looking for, whether you were trying to impart that or not. I may not 100% agree with the sentiment you're talking about (which I think is rare in this thread anyway), but I also don't think it's necessarily fair to say people should live their lives being afraid of what some hypothetical GG loser somewhere might be doing with their words. Commenters here aren't directly responsible for someone else's twisted views, and having people afraid to speak their minds (not saying that's what you're doing) is also the MO of some pretty unsavoury people as we've seen this past week with the attempts to get women devs fired for speaking about social issues on twitter.
I still feel the best course of action is not to discourage people from stating those views in the first place, but to continue disagreeing with them in a reasoned manner.
If this was her first incident maybe i would agree i mean everyone has a bad day once in a while but her whole twitter feed is full with toxic behaviour like this, it seems that's just how she is.
Apparently the ppl here who say she shouldn't have been fired no matter what she did just because this could empower these ppl somehow.
The keyword is think. Of course people care what these people do but we shouldn't worry about what they think about some bullshit claiming women get special treatment and wield undue influence. See the difference here? I hope.
In case this concern was in doubt, there is thread about people acting in ways that arenanet's actions encouraged btw.
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Who said she shouldn't have been fired no matter what? I take issue with this claim.
You're responding to a post that is merely pointing out that the controversy is being misrepresented or misunderstood.
If she spoke in exactly the same way to someone who was being an asshole to her, or who was actually being condescending, or sexist, I don't think anyone would care
Clearly she's outspoken and there is nothing wrong with that, and I'm not saying she should hold her tongue or not speak her mind, but the issue is she made a mistake, she saw something that wasn't there and went in hard on some random guy who didn't deserve it
I don't think that's the worst thing in the world, we all make mistakes and no one is perfect, and had she been offered the chance to apologise then from my perspective there would be no issue
She could have also made her exact same point in a less abrasive manner and people probably wouldn't have cared either
I wasn't implying she (or anyone) should think twice before speaking as some GG pleb might twist their words. I'm saying when we hand wave away elements of a story because they don't fit our narrative, it makes us look biased and therefore hard to take seriously. Some people seem to have a really hard time saying she did anything wrong, or they opt to frame the streamer as an insensitive women dismissing bastard when that just isn't the case, or they try and frame Twitter as not being a public platform where it's implied you need to ask permission to message someone, or his wording was full of malicious subtext
It's shallow excuse after shallow excuse all to avoid putting any wrongdoing on Price at all, and it's just so transparent that people feel like saying anything negative against Price will feed into a GG narrative and that must be stopped at all costs, even if we have to reach to make up a load of nonsense to spin the story in one way
Maybe that is how GG works, no context, only black and white, the soon as one angle loses traction, switch to another angle, but I think we're better than that. It's not hard to say she made a mistake, but also that she shouldn't have been fired.
I don't give a shit what they think, but I'd still rather not fuel their narrative or contribute anything that makes them believe they're justified in acting in the way they do
Then she didn't need to voluntarily establish a connection with her Twitter and the company. No matter what she, you, or anyone else thinks, if she cites her employer (especially for a community-centric game like GW2) on a public twitter account, she could be held responsible (which she was)as she is representing part of the developer community for the company. That company relies on the community to stay afloat, so making comments like she did towards Deroir should generally be ill-advised and frankly common sense would suggest that's probably not a great idea.
That's how it is and I'm absolutely baffled that people (including Price) don't realize that after using Twitter or any other form of social media for years.
Ha, to be fair, I hadn't heard of it. In context it makes your post make WAY more sense. It was still a little antagonistic, but I think the post you were responding to was a little hand-wavy (and pretty conspiratorial) so that mostly comes out in the wash.
Well said. We should always be better than gamergate because we are better than gamergate. We should always hold ourselves to a higher standard. Empathy towards Price and her predicament is a positive stance to take, but we can't sidestep her role in this mess or it comes across as just another disingenuous argument in the age of people recklessly slingling disingenuous arguments.
