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Replicant

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Oct 25, 2017
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For those people saying he's right? Why? You can't copyright a dance move, nor can you prove who created it. Secondly, fortnite also pay royalties to every other shooter/battle royal game out there as well?

Choreography copyright is a new thing. And rarely is it upheld because it's nearly impossible to prove its original.
 

kiguel182

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Oct 31, 2017
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Given how much money they are making I think he has a point.

I don't think they need to put the songs in (since that has a whole lot of licensing nightmares behind) but at least give them a share of the emotes themselves.
 
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Shizuka

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Oct 25, 2017
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Weird that some people want to justify that precedent with "but Fortnite makes a lot of money".
 
Nov 11, 2017
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They could at the least give recognition to the artist they still the shit from; they stay stealing shit from black culture with no fucks given
 

Smokey

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Oct 25, 2017
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something from pop culture takes/rips a piece from the black community/culture for profit?

i'm shocked, truly shocked!
 

Arthoneceron

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not going to lie, if that actually found some legal basis (because that's actually how the copyright industry works), that would be an excellent way to remove the dances from the game.
 

Plum

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May 31, 2018
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You can copyright choreography or dance routines. The backpack kid still flossing was a dance routine in a katy perry performance. He's not just doing a random movement.

Choreography and dance routines are very likely different to specific dance moves (what Fortnite uses) in the eyes of the law. If I'm wrong and they're not different then there must have been a massive series of fuckups for both Epic/Tencent's lawyers and the copyright holders themselves to not notice that including them in this massive phenomenon of a game was a bad idea/a reason to sue.
 

jon bones

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thank god bodily motions are not copyrighted.

He's not wrong, but who's to say one 'invented' a certain move? Body movements can't really be copyrighted, can they now?

Lol it sets a dangerous precedent if we try to copyright gestures/body movements.

Weird that some people want to justify that precedent with "but Fortnite makes a lot of money".

https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ52.pdf

if only this was about a pokemon-like game, so many anime avatars would be defending creators
 

Aprikurt

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Oct 29, 2017
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You can copyright choreography or dance routines. The backpack kid still flossing was a dance routine in a katy perry performance. He's not just doing a random movement.
Choreography. The shoot dance is part of a music vieo
Okay then, they change one move slightly. Have him pop his left wrist instead of his right. Boom. Done.
 

Cheat Code

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Oct 30, 2017
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Nah copyrighting bodily movements is stupid.

There should also be no copyright on words spoken in a certain order, or sounds made in a certain order.

I will guarantee if a movie, or show, or game even hinted at using the word "Fortnite" in it's title, Epic would be all over it like a fly to shit. Fuck me they'd still probably go at it if it was the dictionary term "fortnight". Yet these motherfuckers will rip dances and outright steal character designs.
 

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nah, there's nothing right or just with having rich people being able to copyright body movements.
But they got rich from creating the things, unless Chance is a trustfund baby and I didn't know. How about this donate 25% from the sale of them to a program that gets PoC and women into STEM and programming. They don't have to, but would be nice
 

Plum

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May 31, 2018
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https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ52.pdf

if only this was about a pokemon-like game, so many anime avatars would be defending creators

Maybe read your evidence before posting:

Categories of Dance and Movement Not Protected By Copyright

Commonplace Movements or Gestures

Individual movements or dance steps by themselves are not copyrightable, such as the basic waltz step, the hustle step, the grapevine, or the second position in classical ballet. The U.S. Copyright Office cannot register short dance routines consisting of only a few movements or steps with minor linear or spatial variations, even if a routine is novel or distinctive. Examples of commonplace movements or gestures that do not qualify for registration as choreographic works or pantomimes include • A set of movements whereby a group of people spell out letters with their arms • Yoga positions • A celebratory end zone dance move or athletic victory gesture.

Social Dances


For copyright purposes, choreographic works are a subset of dance and are not synonymous with dance. The drafters of the copyright law also made clear that choreographic works do not include social dance steps and simple routines. Registrable choreographic works are typically intended to be executed by skilled performers before an audience. By contrast, uncopyrightable social dances are generally intended to be performed by members of the public for the enjoyment of the dancers themselves. Social dances, simple routines, and other uncopyrightable movements cannot be registered as separate and distinct works of authorship, even if they contain a substantial amount of creative expression.
 

Shizuka

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Oct 25, 2017
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https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ52.pdf

if only this was about a pokemon-like game, so many anime avatars would be defending creators

As you've quoted me, I'll reply: if you defend this, defend on a basis that makes sense, like the law or cultural appropriation. Don't defend this because "Fortnite makes a lot of money", because who's to say, like this case, a musician couldn't ask the same from a small, struggling developer? Would people agree with said musician, or would they defend the developer?
 
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Give me a fucking break. You make sales off of everything fucking else you make. What, now you want sales over the people MOVE!?

These people deluded.
 

Sedated

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Apr 13, 2018
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Copyrighting dance moves like really? How do you prove the creator in the first place? There's a fine line between creating and popularising something.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why are people talking about copyright? That's not the point, it'd be a good faith gesture to go "we're using your shit, here's a bit of a kick-back on it" even if they don't legally need to.
 

TheCanisDirus

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Nov 13, 2017
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I may out myself as a problematic un-woke bigot who probably prays to Jesus and hates puppies (spoiler alert: I don't) but the employees who pour their hearts and soul into a product are more deserving of profit sharing than the "creative" types who are paid millions to gyrate on the idiot box.

Now if you can actually find me the poor kid in the ghetto who people like Chance usually steal their moves from, my options may change.
Preach!
 

Navid

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Oct 26, 2017
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That whole tweet is such a muddy argument, a lot of dance routines incorporate and originate from parts and moves of other dances and then there is the argument of who actually popularised it...
 

Doskoi Panda

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Oct 27, 2017
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Reply fishing on Era has gotten out of hand. You could have actually engaged that poster or their point but instead you quoted them with token text response solely to highlight the part of the post you disagreed with for everyone else. If you were gonna be that lazy, you might as well have just typed 'yuh-ikes' and been done with it like everyone does these days
 

Ploid 6.0

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone wanna chip in and copyright the carlton dance?
With hou mich it's used everywhere, I wish he got more from making that popular. Carlton dance is life.

As I post this the song Carlton danced to where he moves his hips at the sound, then acts like he's riding a horse when the voices say "jump on it, jump on it" just played on a radio advertisement
 
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Jaypah

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Oct 27, 2017
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It would be nice but it'll never happen. Strip the culture bare and toss them niggas a middle finger. Same shit, different day.
 

hephaestus

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Oct 28, 2017
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So Epic should pay royalties to the creator? So the dance choreographer than? I wonder how people will react when they find out that their favorite artist didn't actually create their dance moves.
 

SCB360

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Oct 30, 2017
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why did he have to include the term "Black Creatives" as well, not just Creatives? But yea, i don't agree, they're just body gestures, a Homage, just enjoy them for what they are
 

Dom6

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Oct 26, 2017
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What about dances from World of Warcraft, Destiny, etc. Just because Fortnite is big now and has dance moves and is known means it's time to copyright? It's a larger discussion but I don't think any sort of money or license should be involved unless they also include the music with the dance.
 

Wulfric

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's a cool idea, but doesn't really work. Those emotes are gonna cost a lot more if they need to license the tracks for only a few years.