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zoukka

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That makes sense, though I wonder if a bright shade of green would work too? I recalled DPPt doing that (though it was still tealish but it was a lot closer to green).

It all depends on the colour palette and values as a whole. There's practically no limitations on what colour a particular object is as long as everything else supports it. Variation in the tones gives you tools to create different time of days and seasons for the same material, you can look at different areas for example in Zelda games and notice the grass can be teal, bright warm green or even brown depending on what atmosphere they wanted to create.

That teal grass is quite extreme in comparison to everything else in the pokemon picture which creates the nice contrast and redability, but I can see why some people would prefer a more limited palette (like let's say Link to the Past, which had way less contrast in the green fields). Similar bright teal grass can be found in Minish Cap also, but there the overall colour balance is better in my opinion.

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Dr. Collins

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I can only play Let's Go with one hand with a single stick, and no Pro controller or dual joy con. Don't really see how it's a core game
 

btkadams

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I can only play Let's Go with one hand with a single stick, and no Pro controller or dual joy con. Don't really see how it's a core game
Is there a "core" Pokémon game that has ever used more than 1 stick? Also, haven't there been 1-handed control schemes (L=A) in these games dating back to at least the GBA days?

You can definitely use both joycons, since this game supports handheld mode.
 

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If a devs communication strategy causes the fan community to become confused, then that strategy wasn't on point at all.
Maybe because you all are way over thinking it. Breath of the Wild isn't a spin-off because it plays different, Metroid Prime isn't a spin-off because it plays different. It's been made perfectly clear what this game is and everybody but the most hardcore of fans knows it's main game. If you're still in denial about this, that's not on the marketing, that's on you.
 

zoukka

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Maybe because you all are way over thinking it. Breath of the Wild isn't a spin-off because it plays different, Metroid Prime isn't a spin-off because it plays different. It's been made perfectly clear what this game is and everybody but the most hardcore of fans knows it's main game. If you're still in denial about this, that's not on the marketing, that's on you.

True it's not hard to evaluate the titles now, but when the first trailer hit I was among the confused. Now it's clear this is a full fledged pokemon RPG title and a remake of gen1.

What makes it special is the Go connectivity which possibly separates Let's Go from the 2019 title in design and maybe even the online ecosystem.
 

WrenchNinja

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Can I use the other 656 Pokémon? No? Sure doesn't sound core.

I applaud Game Freak for finally experimenting with the core series and trying something new, as they are known to be very safe and predictable.
Finally experimenting? Have you even played any games in this series? Remaking a game a second time and using mechanics from another game is trying something new? Gen 7 getting rid of gym leaders and remixing old Pokémon was safe and predictable? Gen 5 cutting access to past Pokémon till post game was safe and predictable? Gen 3 cutting forward compatability with Gen 1 and 2 was safe and predictable? Giving Pokémon a fourth temporary evolution was safe and predictable? It's really weak how desperate some of you are in trying to convince everyone in taking this game seriously.
 
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zoukka

In your comparison image, this is where the issue I have is.

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In Minish Cap it's still that kind of blueish color (although that's to represent lighting in a forest whereas this image is outdoors which is another issue I have).

So essentially with HGSS there isn't a suitable enough cohesiveness for my liking because it really doesn't make much sense for the trees to be a dark primaryish green and the grass is a blueish shade. Like as seen in Minish Cap, it can be a darker shade of blueish green and still separate itself from the grass.
 

zoukka

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Yeah I prefer Minish Cap out of all the examples, the pokemon devs decided to go for extreme clarity and it does look a little crazy at times.
 

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True it's not hard to evaluate the titles now, but when the first trailer hit I was among the confused. Now it's clear this is a full fledged pokemon RPG title and a remake of gen1.

What makes it special is the Go connectivity which possibly separates Let's Go from the 2019 title in design and maybe even the online ecosystem.
Honestly I don't expect features like Co-op, or the Go connectivity to be one-offs.
 

Ilonis

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Oct 27, 2017
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The upcoming 2019 "Core" Pokemon game is going to turn out to be "Pokemon Let's Go Rattata" and you'll all just have to accept it.
 

Gorki247

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I just don't get the negative reaction by some "fans" to these games. So what if it's aimed towards a younger audience; you'll still get your "grown-up" game next year, and more kids get to play a Pokémon game. Can you not see the irony in this whole argument?
 

WrenchNinja

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I just don't get the negative reaction by some "fans" to these games. So what if it's aimed towards a younger audience; you'll still get your "grown-up" game next year, and more kids get to play a Pokémon game. Can you not see the irony in this whole argument?
Kids have always been playing Pokemon. In what universe were the main games not for kids already? Is this bizarro world?
 

Rei

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A core game or not doesn't matter to me, i'm buying it and playing it, even pre-ordered the bundle of the game with the Pokeball.
 

TriggerShy

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Can I use the other 656 Pokémon? No? Sure doesn't sound core.


Finally experimenting? Have you even played any games in this series? Remaking a game a second time and using mechanics from another game is trying something new? Gen 7 getting rid of gym leaders and remixing old Pokémon was safe and predictable? Gen 5 cutting access to past Pokémon till post game was safe and predictable? Gen 3 cutting forward compatability with Gen 1 and 2 was safe and predictable? Giving Pokémon a fourth temporary evolution was safe and predictable? It's really weak how desperate some of you are in trying to convince everyone in taking this game seriously.

I'd say ditching random encounters for on field pokémon and adding a co-op mode is trying something new. Although I am also confused about "finally experimenting" since the battle system seems to be the same. I mean, if some want Game Freak to do more to change up the series beyond what you mentioned, then that's fine, but there's only so much that can be done without changing how the game plays.
 
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I just don't get the negative reaction by some "fans" to these games. So what if it's aimed towards a younger audience; you'll still get your "grown-up" game next year, and more kids get to play a Pokémon game. Can you not see the irony in this whole argument?

Dunno why you put fans in quotes, but that aside...

So what? Just because a game of dubious quality is announced for next year (of which we've seen nothing and have only been given highly vague details) doesn't make these games free of criticism. Is it such a big deal that some people are unhappy about the trajectory of the series they hold dear? Just watch the Indigo League on Netflix again or something if it upsets you.
 

Bman94

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Oct 28, 2017
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Regardless of its specifications it's going to sell boatloads of copies regardless if long time fans buy it or not.
 

Gold Arsene

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I wonder how these arguments would be going if they didn't announce the 2019 title.

The quickest go to defense for everyone always seems to be some variant of "wait till 2019."

Because obviously they means we can't dislike some options for this game and also guaranties we'll like everything from that one.
 

KtSlime

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Kids have always been playing Pokemon. In what universe were the main games not for kids already? Is this bizarro world?
Right? Kids also don't care about having a game that is pure and only has gen 1 pokemon. Most of my students prefer more modern pokemon like lukario, mega rayquaza, greninja, garchomp, etc. I think MewTwo is really the only gen 1 (aside from Pikachu) that gets any love.
 

Enrico25

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Can I use the other 656 Pokémon? No? Sure doesn't sound core.


Finally experimenting? Have you even played any games in this series? Remaking a game a second time and using mechanics from another game is trying something new? Gen 7 getting rid of gym leaders and remixing old Pokémon was safe and predictable? Gen 5 cutting access to past Pokémon till post game was safe and predictable? Gen 3 cutting forward compatability with Gen 1 and 2 was safe and predictable? Giving Pokémon a fourth temporary evolution was safe and predictable? It's really weak how desperate some of you are in trying to convince everyone in taking this game seriously.
Then BW arent core games either.
 

Namaste

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love the graphics of the DS games. I hope the real core title can capture that aesthetic. As for Let's Go I won't be buying it out of principle. I don't like Go on mobile and I surely don't want to support this style of game on console.
 

Arkanim94

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I wonder how these arguments would be going if they didn't announce the 2019 title.

The quickest go to defense for everyone always seems to be some variant of "wait till 2019."

Because obviously they means we can't dislike some options for this game and also guaranties we'll like everything from that one.
if we didn't know about the 2019 titles... Oh boy, the drama would be immense.
 

Ushojax

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Let's Go is both a core game and a sub-series at once.

Clearly it's not in the same bracket as the established main series because so many features have been removed but it will presumably support Pokémon Bank and that's enough for it me to consider it a core game.
 

KtSlime

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Let's Go is both a core game and a sub-series at once.

Clearly it's not in the same bracket as the established main series because so many features have been removed but it will presumably support Pokémon Bank and that's enough for it me to consider it a core game.

Got some bad news for you... The current position on PokeBank compatibility is "no comment".
 

Gorki247

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Dunno why you put fans in quotes, but that aside...

So what? Just because a game of dubious quality is announced for next year (of which we've seen nothing and have only been given highly vague details) doesn't make these games free of criticism. Is it such a big deal that some people are unhappy about the trajectory of the series they hold dear? Just watch the Indigo League on Netflix again or something if it upsets you.
It is clear this game is aimed at a new younger audience and the more casual GO players. If it gets more players to buy a Switch or introduce them to the Pokémon games, why does that bother people so much? Until we learn more about the 2019 game, we don't know the trajectory of the so-called main series. You should judge this game on what it is, not on what you think it means for the other game.

If successful, they'll have two main lines going forward. Why is that a bad thing? It's works for other game series.
 
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It is clear this game is aimed at a new younger audience and the more casual GO players. If it gets more players to buy a Switch or introduce them to the Pokémon games, why does that bother people so much? Until we learn more about the 2019 game, we don't know the trajectory of the so-called main series. You should judge this game on what it is, not on what you think it means for the other game.

If successful, they'll have two main lines going forward. Why is that a bad thing? It's works for other game series.

We do know the trajectory of the main games going off of Gens 6 and 7. Both were compromised by being undercooked, unambitious, increasingly simplified, lacking in content and banking more and more on nostalgia to hide their flaws. I still liked the games since they did enough new things to offset the decline in quality, but I don't have confidence in GF to reverse those trends. Now they're splitting resources between the mainline and Let's Go games, which will only exacerbate things. That's why "just wait for 2019!" rings hollow for me.

A easier remake of RBY with less content than the 14 year old FireRed/LeafGreen?

Don't forget the amazing new features like giving Pikachu a bowlcut and sticking bows on Eevee!
 

AppleKid

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Not sure why this classification matters. The only people using terms like "core title" are those plugged into gaming news. Those people will be able to parse through misinformation pretty easily to determine if the game is for them, meaning a misclassification should not hinder sales one way or the other.

Everyone will have their own opinion on where this sits in the series. Due to the similarities to Go in wild pokemon encounters and their appearance in the overworld, I personally consider this game a spin-off that plays like the core series (shrug)
 

shan780

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Nov 2, 2017
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i don't see why it's such a big deal honestly
i think people are just looking for a way to differentiate it from the "real" pokemon games that have all the pokemon and basic features like wild battles. TPC seems to want to make this distinction too, seeing as they have announced the next pokemon game before the upcoming one is even out

edit: by the way, if anyone else is feeling a bit alienated by the let's go games like me, i recommend checking out digimon cybersleuth on PS4/vita
 

btkadams

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Oct 25, 2017
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Complaints about missing pokémon aside, how could this not be a core title? You battle trainers, get gym badges, travel around the Kanto map, level up a party, and catch pokémon. This is effectively releasing Yellow on the eshop, except with a fresh coat of paint and with wild encounters modified to be like in Go. Most traditional wild pokémon battles require about as much time and effort as a Go encounter. The real question will be how difficult trainer/legendary battles are, but I wonder that with every Pokémon release lol.

It's 100% fair to hate the Go capture mechanic and lack of pokémon beyond 151, but this is still Yellow with a twist. If it isn't a core title, then Red/Blue/Yellow aren't core titles either.
 

LJKO

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Nov 16, 2017
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Let's take a moment and forget about the name of Let's Go, the no wild battle, no Safari Zone, and the Go throwing mechanic. Let me ask is this series still Generation 1 where you choose your starter (In this game depending which version you got Pikachu or Eevee), you catch Pokemon in the wild to complete Pokedex, you level up your Pokemon to face Trainers/Team Rocket/8 Gyms/Elite 4/Legendary, you train Pokemon threw IV/EV which are Candies in this game for online battle (People thinking no hold item or Nature shown need to chill the F out, it'll come in time when Gamefreak ready to show us Status screen); if so I rest my case on this being a mainline/core game. Before someone say it's a spinoff because it's easy and handholding need to come back to reality and ask themself when was Pokemon ever not easy or handholding?
 

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I think when a lot of people say "core" game, they mean it's a game you have to buy if you want to stay up to date in the competitive community. For example even the remakes and 3rd versions would add things like new move tutors, new megas, new UBs etc. This game has 1/7th the amount of Pokemon and has weird bs like CP, so of course it will have no effect on the competitive community. You can feel free to 100% ignore it with no consequence, even if you're a pokemaniac.

The only other reason to care if it was core or not would be if, as a core game, it meant future games in the series would follow in its footsteps. But we already know the real new Pokemon game comes out in 2019 so there is no issue here either.

It doesn't matter if it's a spinoff or not because if you don't want it, it's inconsequential. Everyone can be happy. Just don't buy it the Fall is stacked and you're getting Smash in a month anyway.
 

Cybersai

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The last straw that will break the camels back is if they remove the puzzles in the caves, or Silph Co. or in Celadon underground, etc.

Do we know if all the rock puzzles you move with strength are still there? What about those dizzy turn panels in Silph co? Or the warps in Cinnibar Islands burned mansion?
 

Sebastopa

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Consendering there criticism recent Pokémon games have been having for post game content. The already confirmed cut online features. And the fact that there so devoted to marketing to nostalgia as hard as humanly possible that they've removed content that would have bee in a more traditional remake(the other Pokémon Gen's including the direct evolutions like Umbreon or Crobat.)

I'd say feeling that this game will lack content shouldn't be that hazardous a bet.

Only point I consider valid for justifying the notion of lack of content is the fact that only the original 151 (+1?) will be present as that certainly limits the available choices for battles and the likes, it's also likely that only Gen 1 moves will be available as for to make the game simpler and appeal to nostalgia. The rest is pure baseless speculation based on GF's inconsistency with Post-Game support, ranging from terrible (X/Y) to stellar (B2/W2) so I certainly wouldn't hold my entire bet on lack of meaningful content after finishing the game, also we're yet to see any tweaks in the story that could lead to an expanded adventure, that's why I feel this discussion feels like premature, just Asspulls everywhere aside from the Gen 1 lock. People also seem to not give Co-op gameplay the attention it deserves in order to continue dropping salt to these games not appealing to them, I consider that feature a huge addition to introduce people close to me to the games.

I don't like Gen 1 pandering, but I adore the way this game looks and plays and consider the removal of wild battles and REs a plus. So lack of other gens won't impact my enjoyment of this.