Yes, Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go, Eevee! are part of the "core" Pokémon series

Stalker · Jul 15, 2018

Nope

Let's go Pikach/Eevee are the start of a 2nd core series of pokemon games. If successful they will likely follow on with a Lets Go Gen 2 game.

The aim is to have a 2nd series of core titles with Go intergration and more simple game mechanics for a greater audience.

The big reasons they are not core titles are

No existing Bank/Dex intergration
Entirely different capture mechanic
Pokemon having CP

If it was a mainline "core title" then they wouldn't have to talk about Pokemon 2019.

Wijuci · Jul 15, 2018

Nice topic.
I still disagree though, for the exact same arguments as before.

But it ultimately doesn't matter, so I don't understand why people keep wanting everyone to admit that the marketing talk from the Pokemon Company is the truth.

It doesn't matter.

It won't change the game. You'll enjoy it if you do. The fact that it's mainline, or not won't matter.

It's still Baby's First Pokemon. And that's totally fine.

Thargas · Jul 15, 2018

Stalker said:
Nope

Let's go Pikach/Eevee are the start of a 2nd core series of pokemon games. If successful they will likely follow on with a Lets Go Gen 2 game.

The aim is to have a 2nd series of core titles with Go intergration and more simple game mechanics for a greater audience.

The big reasons they are not core titles are

No existing Bank/Dex intergration
Entirely different capture mechanic
Pokemon having CP

If it was a mainline "core title" then they wouldn't have to talk about Pokemon 2019.

^This

Mario has 2 core series, Zelda has(or had) 2 core series, and now Pokemon will also have 2 core series.
The Lets Go core series are going to be the casual games, while the original core series are going to be the more 'hardcore' games.

I really do not understand why it is so hard for people to understand this.

Ghos · Jul 15, 2018

lvl 99 Pixel said:
I'll never understand the comparison or expectations for anyone, specifically not GF, to do what Nintendos EPD do and have always done better than anyone else on their own systems.
A better comparison would be the Xenoblade games which are actually RPGs and made by a much smaller team, and looks good in some areas and really dated in others, while not maintaining 60fps docked and runs on a much lower res in handheld mode.

I don't have any experience with Monolith Soft games. I've only seen a little bit of XC2 but it looks like an incredibly creative and diverse world. Aside from the resolution and sharpening filter issues (and most definitely the character designs) it's one of the most artistically impressive JRPGs I've seen in years. But I also wouldn't expect anything like that from Game Freak. They don't have experience with worlds on that scale. My issue with them is the art direction in previous games has always been very competent. The Pokemon games many not have been the most impressive titles on each handheld but they did wonders with the styles they settled in and improved with each game, albeit slowly. LGPE at the moment is a bit of a mess in comparison. The rendering, texture, and color choices they've made don't gel well and have resulted in a garish presentation. The odd proportions and inconsistent scaling of buildings, trainers, and Pokemon multiply the issues. The higher resolution and advanced rendering techniques make the repetition of assets like rock walls and tall grass unsightly. It's an all around mess by Game Freak's standards. S/M were moving in a great direction for the eventual HD crossover and I was hoping the new games would be a substantial leap forward but LGPE ultimately isn't an improvement. They're playing it safe while also failing to live up to their history.

woopWOOP · Jul 15, 2018

Until they allude you can use Pokemon Bank in the future to transfer monsters back and forth of all generations I just consider it a separate spinoff

Ghos · Jul 15, 2018

Winny（๑•̀ㅂ•́）و said:
You'd cheat on your Pikachu with another Pikachu?! You monster!

But.. pika bros are life :(

All pikas deserves love.

Deleted member 21601 · Jul 15, 2018

Could be a huge backlash for them to market this as a core game. So far the gameplay seem shallow. I still buy it but its not a core title to me.

Deleted member 426 · Jul 15, 2018

The real backlash is going to come next year when 2019 PK is a huge departure from traditional Pokemon games but in a totally different way.

Brawly Likes to Brawl · Jul 15, 2018

Their communucation over this game has been so confusing. I already don't want to buy it, but the sheer lack of confidence and consistency puts me off even more.

Serebii · Jul 15, 2018

Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
Their communucation over this game has been so confusing. I already don't want to buy it, but the sheer lack of confidence and consistency puts me off even more.

How has it been confusing? It has been on point. The fan community is the one that made it ridiculously confusing due to their preconceived notions of what defines a Pokémon game

Deleted member 6730 · Jul 15, 2018

I expect a petition to strike it from canon any day now.

Deleted member 2791 · Jul 15, 2018

i don't understand how can someone "disagree" with the OP when all he did was stating facts
you can't disagree with the facts, it's the truth, there's no other option than accepting it or making a headcanon of sorts in your head i suppose

MayorSquirtle · Jul 15, 2018

I really don't understand why so many people are hung up on how to label it. It's gonna be the same game whether people call it a core title or a spinoff.

H-I-M · Jul 15, 2018

and the next game will be very different from it

My biggest issue and concern with all of this is that the Let's Go franchise might not just be a side project, but instead will set the foundation for the next X games.

Basically that we will have a Let's Go New Gen and a Let's Go Old Gen thing from now on, but that even the 'hard-core true fans core core core' games will use a lot of elements from Let's Go (same engine, same mechanics, same over simplification), with just a new story and new pokemons instead of being a remake.

Brawly Likes to Brawl · Jul 15, 2018

Serebii said:
How has it been confusing? It has been on point. The fan community is the one that made it ridiculously confusing due to their preconceived notions of what defines a Pokémon game

I remember the day it was announced where it took them days to explain things like whether or not there was online MP, or how many Pokemon were actually available. There was so much misinformation that didn't really have to happen the closed they held didn't explain much.

They also said that fans that are put off by the changes should wait for 2019 because it's a "core" game yet months after they decided to apply the "core" phrase to LGPE anyways. Why are they using the same term if they want people to know that LGPE is simply a side departure that doesn't effect the main series?

When the Tales series had to do damage control over Tales of the Tempest being very poorly made, they came up the concept of "Mothership" and "Escort" Tales titles and stuck with it. They kept it simple and the fanbase understood.

Deleted member 2809 · Jul 15, 2018

Hate said:
"Please buy this game, it's core I swear!"

Yep.

They removed and simplified way too much shit from these for me to consider them main.

Mistle · Jul 15, 2018

Sure, let it be core game, what difference does the title make.

It's less embarrassing for Gamefreak if they called it a spinoff though.

Ghos · Jul 15, 2018

gonna post these again. hg/ss were their most visually successful titles. the apex of their old hybrid-3D style.

i need them to strike gold again dammit.

Deleted member 8001 · Jul 15, 2018

How do you think the core RPG players will react to the Let's Go games? I know Pokémon Go was immensely popular but it had quite a mixed reaction amongst more 'hardcore' players - how do you appease those players and is it more a case that they should wait to 2019 for the game they're after?

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Masuda: So the first thing I can say is that... I've been the director on the main series Pokémon RPGs - most of them, up until now - and there are a lot of kind of core tenets or rules of the series that I've never broke up until now, for example the whole idea of the flow of going into a battle against wild Pokémon, reducing their health and then catching them. That was one of the things that we just never wanted to change but, with these games specifically, I wanted to create a new experience for kids and with this time I decided to shift that towards more of a kind of casual, lighter experience. So that's one of the things I wanted to do.

I'd say they are third pillar.

Tygre · Jul 15, 2018

Great OP!

Unfortunately, people will continue to confuse "I don't like these games being Core games" with "These games aren't Core games".

The Let's Go titles are Pocket Monsters titles, and that's that.

boybrushdRED · Jul 15, 2018

If it becomes the feature game for their VGC events, then that's the time that I will believe that its a core game.

Arkanim94 · Jul 15, 2018

boybrushdRED said:
If it becomes the feature game for their VGC events, then that's the time that I will believe that its a core game.

wasn't confirmed that it won't be?

Serebii · Jul 15, 2018

Arkanim94 said:
wasn't confirmed that it won't be?

Not confirmed but not bloody likely. It lacks Battle Spot and 650+ of the Pokémon

Macca · Jul 15, 2018

Ghos said:
gonna post these again. hg/ss were their most visually successful titles. the apex of their old hybrid-3D style.

i need them to strike gold again dammit.

Ahhh so good <3

Deleted member 8001 · Jul 15, 2018

Ghos said:
gonna post these again. hg/ss were their most visually successful titles. the apex of their old hybrid-3D style.

i need them to strike gold again dammit.

They are the best of that style but the grass being that blueish color looks so hideous.

Makes me want to mod the game and fix that issue.

Aleh · Jul 15, 2018

Kokonoe said:
They are the best of that style but the grass being that blueish color looks so hideous.

Makes me want to mod the game and fix that issue.

I'm the opposite and think that shade of green looks a hell of a lot better than the one in Let's Go, it feels a lot more "fresh"

Lifejumper · Jul 15, 2018

Sorry have not been following pokemon game s for a while but...

Is the next pokemon game(2019) expected to release on 3ds too?

Aleh · Jul 15, 2018

Lifejumper said:
Sorry have not been following pokemon game s for a while but...

Is the next pokemon game(2019) expected to release on 3ds too?

The 2019 game is confirmed to be Switch exclusive

New Donker · Jul 15, 2018

Of course its a 'core' game. People are just upset they took away certain features so they want to pretend it's not.

Going forward it makes total sense to have BOTH the go series and traditional RPG style games.

Deleted member 24540 · Jul 15, 2018

I'm not buying it.

I mean, I'm literally not gonna spend any money on this. The days when I supported "lesser" or "decent" Nintendo games are over.

Deleted member 8001 · Jul 15, 2018

Aleh said:
I'm the opposite and think that shade of green looks a hell of a lot better than the one in Let's Go, it feels a lot more "fresh"

This grass looks horrible with it barely even being green with how much cyan it is. The artstyle is good, but the color is bad.

I like my grass to actually be green, and last I checked grass isn't cyan.

Aleh · Jul 15, 2018

SeanR1221 said:
Going forward it makes total sense to have BOTH the go series and traditional RPG style games.

I agree but only if the "Let's Go" games are just one per console. Their purpose is to introduce the actual games to the Go crowd, so you only really need one. If you start making more of them on the same platform those people will keep buying those instead of moving onto the... uh... "super core" ones

Kokonoe said:
This grass looks horrible with it barely even being green with how much cyan it is. The artstyle is good, but the color is bad.

I like my grass to actually be green, and last I checked grass isn't cyan.

I know it's less realistic, but games don't have to be realistic. And I think it looks better this way

KtSlime · Jul 15, 2018

Kokonoe said:
They are the best of that style but the grass being that blueish color looks so hideous.

Makes me want to mod the game and fix that issue.

Might I introduce you to blue fescue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festuca_glauca

Deleted member 8001 · Jul 15, 2018

Aleh said:
I know it's less realistic, but games don't have to be realistic. And I think it looks better this way

Okay but if you're gonna be less realistic, then at least make that a cohesive design decision.

The grass is cyan but the trees are still green. If they were gonna adopt this the trees should've been cyan as well.

KtSlime said:
Might I introduce you to blue fescue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festuca_glauca

That's not even the same thing, you know I'm referring to fields of grass not small bushes right?

qq more · Jul 15, 2018

I wasn't too crazy about HGSS's art style either, but that's more on the 2.5Dness of it all. Wasn't exactly a big fan of the 2D and 3D mixture. The sprites and textures were mostly nice though.

(also gonna 2nd about the teal grass, didn't care for it either lol, its kind of an ugly color of grass to me)

Heromanz · Jul 15, 2018

Wait why does it matter ? Like who cares if its core or not.

KtSlime · Jul 15, 2018

Kokonoe said:
That's not even the same thing, you know I'm referring to fields of grass not small bushes right?

Fescue is a grass, not a bush. But I suppose you only want to talk about rhizomatous grasses.

I for one like the blue grass.

Lumines · Jul 15, 2018

Got into an insane amount of arguments about this, lol.

Some people are really hot and bothered at the idea of this being a main entry.

zoukka · Jul 15, 2018

Serebii said:
How has it been confusing? It has been on point. The fan community is the one that made it ridiculously confusing due to their preconceived notions of what defines a Pokémon game

If a devs communication strategy causes the fan community to become confused, then that strategy wasn't on point at all.

Kokonoe said:
This grass looks horrible with it barely even being green with how much cyan it is. The artstyle is good, but the color is bad.

I like my grass to actually be green, and last I checked grass isn't cyan.

The reason to make the grass colder in tone is to increase the readability of the visuals on a small screen. The game is delightfully clear and fast to read.

Servbot24 · Jul 15, 2018

I've never seen so much interest in whether a game is "core" or not. What difference does it make?

It's obviously not like the other core games if that's what's being driven at, and that is what people care about.

Wise · Jul 15, 2018

I always thought this game was a Gen 7 game. And gamefreak are making it aren't they? Why wouldn't it be a mainline game?

qq more · Jul 15, 2018

I feel Let's Go, while not exactly traditional, a core game too. In fact, I think Let's Go is going to become its own core series (gimme Johto HD pls!). Much like how there's 2D Mario and 3D Mario are separate but core too.

That said, I hope a traditional Sinnoh remake will still happen, but I'm not too worried for now.

zoukka said:
The reason to make the grass colder in tone is to increase the readability of the visuals on a small screen. The game is delightfully clear and fast to read.

That makes sense, though I wonder if a bright shade of green would work too? I recalled DPPt doing that (though it was still tealish but it was a lot closer to green).

Lumines · Jul 15, 2018

DrakenAstro said:
I always thought this game was a Gen 7 game. And gamefreak are making it aren't they? Why wouldn't it be a mainline game?

Because they took away wild battles (except against Legendaries)

That's what I see cited most of the time, at least.

jediyoshi · Jul 15, 2018

DrakenAstro said:
I always thought this game was a Gen 7 game. And gamefreak are making it aren't they? Why wouldn't it be a mainline game?

Do you categorize something like Pokemon Quest differently from something like Pokemon Red?

Carassius Auratus · Jul 15, 2018

So core they won't even be featured at VGC next year lol.

goldenpp73 · Jul 15, 2018

Oddish1 said:
It's a marketing term. They refer to it as mainline or core in order for dedicated fans of the series to take it more seriously so they can sell more copies. It doesn't actually matter at all.

It really does matter, considering there are about 100 spin offs that play nothing like Pokemon, this is a real Pokemon game with changes, it's a core title.

Deleted member 8674 · Jul 15, 2018

Thargas said:
^This

Mario has 2 core series, Zelda has(or had) 2 core series, and now Pokemon will also have 2 core series.
The Lets Go core series are going to be the casual games, while the original core series are going to be the more 'hardcore' games.

I really do not understand why it is so hard for people to understand this.

Because you don't need another core series and all that bridge talk because the original core series hit you so hard with tutorials you start questioning your own intelligence.

This is a Pokémon game for Go audience and to cash on the Go popularity and that's fine by me.

Arkanim94 · Jul 15, 2018

gen 5 art style > all

you know it's true.

ffdgh · Jul 15, 2018

Arkanim94 said:
gen 5 art style > all

you know it's true.

Seasons should really come back.

Heromanz · Jul 15, 2018

Ghos said:
gonna post these again. hg/ss were their most visually successful titles. the apex of their old hybrid-3D style.

i need them to strike gold again dammit.

You want them to look like mediocre DS games?

Yes, Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go, Eevee! are part of the "core" Pokémon series

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