People do understand that. We're not missing the implications that he's scared of false accusations. But the takeaway from the #MeToo movement shouldn't be that women are out to punish men for things that they haven't done, but that women were forced to go through twitter to show the world what they've been going through. The takeaway should be the massive levels of abuse that women have been facing over the years with absolutely no way to get any justice for it, or do anything about it. And in the context of this movement, where consent is regularly ignored and people take things too far, talking about the thrill of the chase does come off a little weird.
False accusations do happen, and its absolutely terrible that someone would lie about something like that, but women aren't these monsters that are constantly looking for ways to hurt you. They're so incredibly rare compared to the level of sexual assault going on in the world, and we just want for sexual assault to stop happening, and for people who do commit something that awful to actually be able to face punishment for it. The #MeToo movement was not created as a way to slander people unjustly, and the vast majority of people who have been accused have not had anything really happen to them.
Thread from former game dev and goobergator weighs in. Wish more of these fucking creeps would quit.
About what I expected. I'm sure he will clarify later to deaf ears.
This thread turned into a shit show. I still don't understand other than the use of the word rapist how different Cavill's comments about how people's actions can be perceived differently when compared to feminist favourite Justin Trudeau who unlike Cavill was accused of groping:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...hind-groping-claim-canada-2000-music-festival
I get what he says, see no issues. Maybe not communicated 100% as it should be but I get it. The outrage in this thread is absurd.
Do you have something to say or are you going to hide behind this passive aggressive bullshit of a post?These posts are disgusting. But then, I guess I should've expected it.
Straight white men need to shut up for once in their damn lives tbh.Women talking about sexual harassment and "nice guy" behavior has got to feel as infuriating as when black people try to talk about systemic and institutional racism. It's fucking maddening.
This thread makes me want to bash my head into mush.
It's not that hard to grasp what the women in this thread are saying, but the "whataboutism" police never fail to show up, flashing their badges and regaling is with false equivalences and assertions that they "totes get" what the women are saying, but what about this minute chance that the accusations are false, and how the rich celebrity will have their life ruined by it. Because, you know, women are so shady and untrustworthy. :/
Amazing. The lack of self awareness and ability to empathize with women is astonishing. Women and minorities continue to never get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to these things. We're not a monolith. Why does that constantly need to be reiterated in every thread about sexual assault, rape, racism, etc?
lol most of the responses here literally prove his point. Yeah he maybe could have worded it better, I understand the hyperbole, but maybe not use rape as the example.
lol most of the responses here literally prove his point. Yeah he maybe could have worded it better, I understand the hyperbole, but maybe not use rape as the example.
lol most of the responses here literally prove his point. Yeah he maybe could have worded it better, I understand the hyperbole, but maybe not use rape as the example.
Do you have something to say or are you going to hide behind this passive aggressive bullshit of a post?
It's a hard life being told "no means no". Truly the weight of the world on their shouldersacting as a profession must attract this kind of narcissist by the boatload. It's like Sean Penn with his stupid little poem. hmm yes MeToo, exploited women yadda yadda how does this affect me and my dating life as a rich and famous actor?
I don't. The odds of a false accusation happening to jail Mr. Cavill are extremely small, given that false rape accusations are only 2% of all reports.I get what he's saying. All it would take is one crazy person and your life is ruined. And even if you're ultimately proven innocent, the internet mob will have already gotten you by that point anyway.
I do think the social progress we've made recently is worth it, but surely people can understand this POV? Unless you have a lot of faith in the average stranger being a decent person lol.
I get what he's saying. All it would take is one crazy person and your life is ruined. And even if you're ultimately proven innocent, the internet mob will have already gotten you by that point anyway.
I do think the social progress we've made recently is worth it, but surely people can understand this POV? Unless you have a lot of faith in the average stranger being a decent person lol.
You have a way better chance of getting into a car accident then someone filing a false rape report against you. I'm willing to bet money that you aren't paralyzed by fear of car accidents every time you have to drive to work. Why should anyone operate under the assumption that women are running around filing false rape reports when they are courting women when the odds do not favor that at all?I get what he's saying. All it would take is one crazy person and your life is ruined. And even if you're ultimately proven innocent, the internet mob will have already gotten you by that point anyway.
I do think the social progress we've made recently is worth it, but surely people can understand this POV? Unless you have a lot of faith in the average stranger being a decent person lol.
It's not a fear informed by rationality. It's the same thing as people that drive cars but won't ever step into a plane. Giving them statistics won't change their mind, because that assumes that their belief is only fueled by a wrong dataset that can be corrected.You have a way better chance of getting into a car accident then someone filing a false rape report against you. I'm willing to bet money that you aren't paralyzed by fear of car accidents every time you have to drive to work. Why should anyone operate under the assumption that women are running around filing false rape reports when they are courting women when the odds do not favor that at all?
I completely agree with Cavill here. Dating or even pursuing a woman these days is so risky, especially if you're rich and famous. Even if you don't do anything wrong, just being accused of anything can ruin your career and reputation.
Again, I think Cavill is right. In today's world, a man is better off waiting for the woman to make the first move. It significantly reduces the risk of things being taken the wrong way or misunderstood.
People still aren't getting it.
It's not even just that he's saying that he's afraid of being called a rapist. He's saying that he's afraid if he tries it now that he'll be called a rapist. He's trying to say that false rape accusations are much more of a concern now than they were back in the day when he could wear women down until they agree to go on a date with him. He provides no evidence of this but we can clearly see he means the #metoo movement. Empowering women to stand up and tell their stories terrifies people who want to act in a way that isn't acceptable anymore.
There has been no explosion of false rape accusations. You look at people who have come forward and told their stories. Spacey, Weinstein, the Us gymnastics coach, The Ohio State wrestling coach. Literally hundreds of accounts of sexual assault that are real and you focus on and emphasize the importance of the incredibly few false cases, making them seem like a much more common occurrence despite the reality being completely different.
In his own words Cavill wants to be allowed to continue pursuing a woman after she says no with no societal consequence. The consequence would be that people would call him a creep but he wants to dismiss those concerns by pretending to be worried that she'd call him a rapist instead. It's a view that has no rational basis. His kind of dating, where you bother a woman over and over until you've worn her down to the point that she finally agrees to a date is on the way out. And good riddance! Look at that from the woman's point of view. Does that sound romantic to you? The dashing man who didn't take no for an answer and kept bothering her? We rightly ridicule "pick up artists" for doing this. Why should Cavill be spared our scorn for lamenting not being able to do the same while at the same time swiping at an important movement and calling women liars?
This isnt about being perceived as "rude" and you shouldnt be coming away from this topic with that understanding.It doesn't take a whole lot these days to get the ball rolling about harassment, rape or abuse allegations. Whether they're justified or not the fact is that everything is under a microscope now and the smallest mistake could blow up to career ending situations. Of course he's not afraid of "getting jailed." He's just afraid of fucking up.
You don't have to be a rapist or an abuser to make mistakes, come off as rude by making the wrong impression or overstepping a boundary you thought was safe doing so. That can happen. There aren't just "rapists" and "good guys." There are plenty of guys with good intentions that fuck up. Same with woman. But if Henry Cavill does it, it's on Twitter, it's on Jezebel, it's on Facebook, its on TV, it's in the tabloids. And before you know it you are shunned from the industry. That's a perfectly understandable fear.
no it's not. he's being unreasonable if he thinks women are some how out to make him look like a creep or worse. A few stories circulating in the blogs shouldn't justify that kind of fear. That's insane.It doesn't take a whole lot these days to get the ball rolling about harassment, rape or abuse allegations. Whether they're justified or not the fact is that everything is under a microscope now and the smallest mistake could blow up to career ending situations. Of course he's not afraid of "getting jailed." He's just afraid of fucking up.
You don't have to be a rapist or an abuser to make mistakes, come off as rude by making the wrong impression or overstepping a boundary you thought was safe doing so. That can happen. There aren't just "rapists" and "good guys." There are plenty of guys with good intentions that fuck up. Same with woman. But if Henry Cavill does it, it's on Twitter, it's on Jezebel, it's on Facebook, its on TV, it's in the tabloids. And before you know it you are shunned from the industry. That's a perfectly understandable fear.
no it's not. he's being unreasonable if he thinks women are some how out to make him look like a creep or worse. A few stories circulating in the blogs shouldn't justify that kind of fear. That's insane.
that's not reasonable either. it assumes that women are out here conspiring to sell every story of a date gone wrong to the blogs and frame it in a way that make people like him look like creeps or worse. Where is the evidence to suggest that this could be the case? I can't point to anything the makes this fear and this precautions of his seem reasonable. If he's reading a few stories of this happening and shitting his pants you cant sell that to me as reasonable or valid. There nothing damning you or him can point to and fairly conclude that these precautions are necessary. He's fucking overreacting.But that's not what he's afraid about? He's afraid about messing up in any way and it blowing up. We are waaaaaaaay past "a few stories circulating in the blogs" at this point, when allegations, stories or rumors pop up, the pop up everywhere. The fact that he doesn't trust himself is questionable but the fear of escalation I find not.
If messing up is not taking no for an answer or sexual harassment of course he should be afraid
I don't. The odds of a false accusation happening to jail Mr. Cavill are extremely small, given that false rape accusations are only 2% of all reports.
You have a way better chance of getting into a car accident then someone filing a false rape report against you. I'm willing to bet money that you aren't paralyzed by fear of car accidents every time you have to drive to work. Why should anyone operate under the assumption that women are running around filing false rape reports when they are courting women when the odds do not favor that at all?
You have a way better chance of getting into a car accident then someone filing a false rape report against you. I'm willing to bet money that you aren't paralyzed by fear of car accidents every time you have to drive to work. Why should anyone operate under the assumption that women are running around filing false rape reports when they are courting women when the odds do not favor that at all?
I'm not sure its entirely irrational for someone in the public eye like Henry Cavill? And jail isn't the only negative impact it could have, obviously. Any accusation would damage his reputation and affect his livelihood. Is it likely? No. But I get the fear.I don't. The odds of a false accusation happening to jail Mr. Cavill are extremely small, given that false rape accusations are only 2% of all reports.
...why do this? I never said anything of the sort. At all.All it takes is one crazy person who expects him to stop when she says no. Women be crazy, right?
Some of the comments in this thread just scream of men wanting it to be their turn to be the victim. I'm completely dumbfounded at how some of you think.
I completely agree with Cavill here. Dating or even pursuing a woman these days is so risky, especially if you're rich and famous. Even if you don't do anything wrong, just being accused of anything can ruin your career and reputation.
I get what he's saying. All it would take is one crazy person and your life is ruined. And even if you're ultimately proven innocent, the internet mob will have already gotten you by that point anyway.
Of course I know this. I explicitly mentioned in my original post that the social progress we've made when it comes to sexual assault (etc.) in the last year or so is a good thing. I'm not trying to minimize that or imply that the fears Cavill has are at all comparable. I just understand the fear, irrational as it may be to some.Who do you think is exceptionally more vulnerable and has more to lose with that in mind?
Please. That's looking at it through the worst lens possible. The rational explanation for why the paranoia is higher now is because of just how easy it would be for a crazy/evil person to take advantage of the movement if they wanted to. That's it.Besides that, where was this paranoia before? It's not like a false rape accusation how-to was written up for women when #MeToo ically, when you deconstruct this argument in such a way as you have, you open it up to these critiques which only reaffirm that his complaint can be boiled down to "I'm scared now that women are trying to take away my male privilege security blankey that ensured I wouldn't suffer any consequences for what could be unwanted behavior at best and terrible misogynistic behavior at worst."
The President of the United States bragged about being able to sexually assault women.I completely agree with Cavill here. Dating or even pursuing a woman these days is so risky, especially if you're rich and famous. Even if you don't do anything wrong, just being accused of anything can ruin your career and reputation.
So let's look at it another way: is he terrified of saying the wrong thing and being seen as an asshole or a nightmare when a person takes that story to TMZ or the tabloids or spreads rumors through the Hollywood grapevine?Please. That's looking at it through the worst lens possible. The rational explanation for why the paranoia is higher now is because of just how easy it would be for a crazy/evil person to take advantage of the movement if they wanted to. That's it.
We don't know either way if false reports are more common or less common with individuals of Cavils status but neither does Cavil. He doesn't posses any additional dataset that you and I don't know of that can make his precautions seem valid and reasonable. Is he reacting to various #metoo headlines and going with that? A previous poster mentioned that he's probably more so looking at stories Where some famous dude did some goofy shit and got embarrassed by the blogs. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that's the case. Rich men and athletes already take precautions for those kinds of things. They make their partner sign NDAs which I think is fair. Kanye West iirc made Amber Rose sign an NDA when they broke up. An idiot such as Chris Brown makes his groupies sign NDAs. NBA players are notorious for having women sign NDAs even just to party with them. If Cavil wants to take precautions and not be embarrassed by a date gone wrong story popping up in the blogs with his name in it shouldn't he try to take from his peers and make his partners sign an NDA? To me it seems anything more than that is completely unreasonableThis isn't how statistics work. Whatever source you have for global average rate of false reports has no bearing on an individual, especially a clearly atypical individual.
Are false accusations more common against notably rich men who have a ton of their wealth potential tied up in their public perception than against the typical man? I don't know, but neither do you. Whatever 2% you're working with includes (tens? hundreds? of) thousands of people who couldn't, say, credibly threaten to call TMZ to peddle a fabricated story.
The 2% isn't "the likelihood of a report against any given person being false," it's the likelihood of any given report in the universe being false. The number doesn't tell you anything about the nature of those false reports, or what class of person they might disproportionately accrue to.
so more unjustified fear mongering then? You're getting paranoid about a total hypothetical "what if?" situation.Of course I know this. I explicitly mentioned in my original post that the social progress we've made when it comes to sexual assault (etc.) in the last year or so is a good thing. I'm not trying to minimize that or imply that the fears Cavill has are at all comparable. I just understand the fear, irrational as it may be to some.
Please. That's looking at it through the worst lens possible. The rational explanation for why the paranoia is higher now is because of just how easy it would be for a crazy/evil person to take advantage of the movement if they wanted to. That's it.
There are some things you can't control in life. I don't really fear a car or plane crash because if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. That's the difference. This is something you can control. As unlikely as you believe it is, the chance that someone could make false accusations is entirely possible, and Cavill has changed the way he looks at approaching women as a result.And Arbuckle isn't the only one that lost a career over association to a crime or crimes they didn't commit. So where's the fear of that?
I don't know why people keep acting as if I'm equating these two things. Nothing I've said has remotely implied that.Know what's worse than being falsely accused of rape? BEING RAPED.
Because you know what we've seen a lot of in this thread? Men talking in great detail about the horrors of your career as an actor being ruined by one false accusation (which is untrue, but whatever). You know what hasn't been talked about for the most part? The severe trauma that rape survivors endure because it scars you for the rest of your life.There are some things you can't control in life. I don't really fear a car or plane crash because if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. That's the difference. This is something you can control. As unlikely as you believe it is, the chance that someone could make false accusations is entirely possible, and Cavill has changed the way he looks at approaching women as a result.
I don't know why people keep acting as if I'm equating these two things. Nothing I've said has remotely implied that.
There isn't much point continuing this.
I absolutely can, and have done so.And make no mistake, you can't say you understand his fear and also claim to have empathy for women.
acting as a profession must attract this kind of narcissist by the boatload. It's like Sean Penn with his stupid little poem. hmm yes MeToo, exploited women yadda yadda how does this affect me and my dating life as a rich and famous actor?