I'm with you 100%. Great checkerboarding and antialiasing is negligibly less crisp than native 4K when viewed from a couch but allows so many more resources for effects and the like.
I would gladly take that trade for many next gen games.
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AMD's Timothy Lottes - Native 4K at 30 fps with PS4 image quality requires 7.4 teraflops
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I'm with you 100%. Great checkerboarding and antialiasing is negligibly less crisp than native 4K when viewed from a couch but allows so many more resources for effects and the like.
I would gladly take that trade for many next gen games.
Not even close... PS4 is more like PC on mid-high without over 60fps.
Nothing changed in that respect and it probably never change.
AMD needs 20-30% more TFs to match nVidia GPUs in performace.
The primary difference between nVidia GPUs and AMD GPUs is that nVidia is using bigger "GPU cores". Nvidia calls them "Streaming Multiprocessors". AMD calls them "Compute Units". An nVidia SM has 128 ALUs, an AMD CU has 64 ALUs. Naturally, an AMD GPU has more CUs than an nVidia GPU has SMs. The benefit for AMD is the finer granularity, which is especially helpful for GPGPU. But this requires adequate software support. The benefit for nVidia is bigger and thus faster caches for each "GPU core", which is especially helpful in a PC environment where software support is not perfect most of the time.
Yeah in theory,PS4 GPU is 3x-4x weaker than let's say GTX 1080. But in reality,PS4 has the best graphics(God of War,Horizon Zero Dawn,Forza Horizon 4).
This is coming from PC player. Having a 500+ $ GPU is like having a Ferrari and drive it only in the city. You never use true power of it. 10TF vs 1.8TF GPU and graphics on PS4 are still better. Show me 1 game where graphics are better on PC?
Thats why i got bored with PC gaming. Golden age where games are made for PC first with all bells and whistles and then ported to consoles are over.
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If we keep anything from the Xbox 1x and PS4 Pro, I hope its performance options.
You gimme a option for the highest resolution possible or 60fps or close to it, Ill pick the framerate mode every damn time.
Even God of War feels a million times better in its unlocked FPS mode. Its sure as hell not a locked 60 but its way better then 30 and I find the motion clarity you get from 60fps is way better then the raw pixel IQ you get from 4k/30.
You gimme a option for the highest resolution possible or 60fps or close to it, Ill pick the framerate mode every damn time.
Even God of War feels a million times better in its unlocked FPS mode. Its sure as hell not a locked 60 but its way better then 30 and I find the motion clarity you get from 60fps is way better then the raw pixel IQ you get from 4k/30.
This thread :(
When people believe there is no game better graphically on PC than the best on PS4 Pro lol
I guess people needs to play more PC games on max.
When people believe there is no game better graphically on PC than the best on PS4 Pro lol
I guess people needs to play more PC games on max.
PC games on max are not even in the same ballpark as PlayStation exclusives
By the money? Of course. When you believe there is no pc with those specs (the powerful jaguar cpu /s) that could run Horizon, UC, GTS, lol.
Why are people rattling off a bunch of PS4 exclusives as 'proof' that the PS4 is better graphically? You do realise that has nothing to do with how much power the platform has and everything to do with priority? What drives consoles? AAA SP experiences with lots of eye candy. What drives PC? MP and online games.
What was the last PC exclusive with a focus on eye candy? Crysis. Over 10 years ago. If a dev wanted to make the best looking AAA SP game on PC, they could, and blow anything the PS4 has out the window. You want to know why they don't? Because the ROI isn't worth it.
What was the last PC exclusive with a focus on eye candy? Crysis. Over 10 years ago. If a dev wanted to make the best looking AAA SP game on PC, they could, and blow anything the PS4 has out the window. You want to know why they don't? Because the ROI isn't worth it.
How does that work with Xbox One X then? It has 6 teraflops and many multiplatform games have been hitting native 4K.
Stuff like gtav at 4k60 with all the bells and whistles is more impactful to me tbh. Or overwatch at 120fps. Ps4 exclusives look amazing, but nothing compares to similar fidelity graphics running at high res and extremely high framerates.
On PC? I can give you more than a few.
Star Citizen, The Witcher 3, Battlefield 1, Battlefront 2, Assassin Creed Origins/Unity...
A lot of PC games on Ultra kooks better than anything on consoles... just because the console version of these games looks worst didn't make the PC version worst.
Even some olds games maxed on PC has better IQ.
As someone who has a gaming PC Comfy Couch 4K setup, and entire room dedicated to roomscale VR, and a Surface Book 2 15' and over 200 Steam games. This post is full of shit. Nothing I can play on my PC looks anywhere close to The Last of Us 2 right now. This is not 2007, games aren't pushing rigs anymore like Crysis. The only thing pushing me to upgrade right now Is for higher fidelity VR.
Kingdom Come and Star Citiizen look good, and multiplats like Division, Witcher, etc look better on PC of course, but Consoles are more than holding their own. At this point in the 360/PS3 gen I could not stand to look at non PC titles for the most part. This gen, I can buy most any game on console and not feel as if I am missing out on the experience.
Hopefully Cyberpunk 2077 will change this, but by then, new consoles may have again closed the gap.
Just no. For all of these games. If you really think these games look better than PS exclusives then you obviously have never played PS exclusives. Witcher 3 is a nice game and all, but it has last-gen shading quality all over the way.
You cant play last of us 2 right now, so I dont even know what this means. We also dont know what the hell we were watching but that is a whole other story. Anyhow that was a poor example to trounce on someone with.
User warned: continued platform wars rhetoric.
What some of you guys won't understand:
With this generation we have past a point where pure power won't do the thing anymore. Video game graphics are defined by whom has the best artists. And right now, Sony is king of the hill. Who will be next? Amazon? Apple? Google? Microsoft? Nintendo? Who knows? We will be entering a streaming future anyway. It will be all about the games in the future. And about Mark Cerny. Because he's awesome.
With this generation we have past a point where pure power won't do the thing anymore. Video game graphics are defined by whom has the best artists. And right now, Sony is king of the hill. Who will be next? Amazon? Apple? Google? Microsoft? Nintendo? Who knows? We will be entering a streaming future anyway. It will be all about the games in the future. And about Mark Cerny. Because he's awesome.
Ohhhhhhh that is a new one... somebody calling that I never played a PS exclusive lol
I do believe a lot of guys in ERA that knows me will find that crazy funny :D
We do know what we were watching, but very well.
Uncharted 4
Horizon Zero Dawn
The Order 1886
Spiderman
God of War
Detroit
etc etc..
Is there an announced PC game I can look forward to that pushes my rigs in any substantial way? No. Point stands...
Forza 7 is more advanced than drive club, now your just being ridiculous
Congratulations. I do believe a lot of guys in ERA that knows you will not find that crazy funny. So what?
It's the diminishing returns situation, and ironically it will effect PC more than console. PC games will always look better, but i can't tell you how many times i have sat down my non pc gamer friends in front of my rig and literally had to go back and forth on settings for five minutes before they finally say "ohhhhh, yeah. it does look better compared to pspro". me saying "look at how much better that draw distance is! the shadows! ambient occlusion! (explains what that is) less pop in (explains what that is too amazingly)" is kind of a demonstration of that diminishing returns situation. I used to be able to sit people down in front of crysis and minds were blown. Now?....if i have to fiddle with settings and actually explain the differences, obviously the difference is not that much anymore to the average consumer.
Edit: Note that i said a pspro, if i had a x1x it would be a whole other level of difficult to demonstrate that the pc version of a game looks better
You should probaby use UC4 or some other example. Sony hasnt been the best about prelaunch trailers. Tho nothing about tlos 2 seems out of place.
GOW is a pretty good example, not to mention HZD. and as much as people hate on it, The order 1886
Are you getting confused by comparing visual style vs resolution and effects? Also none of those ps4 games run above 30 fps. So yeah I have no idea what you are referring.
Because it's often accurate ?
In 99% titles, equivalent equivalent hardware on PC perform the same as equivalent hardware on console ?
As for the last part, yeah, God of War, Uncharted 4 or Horizon looks great. But you can see the compromises done here and you can find multiplat titles on PC looking better than that.
Someday, you'll see that IQ makes wonders to how your game look and that these these compromises ruined how your games looked.
If pushing your rig is subpar IQ, ghosting, low res shadows and texture filtering and low resolution all over the place, yes your point stands.
Just something like Battlefield V looks like a game that actually pushes visual far higher than all the games you mentionned, especially at 4k.
It's certainly nice to have both worlds available to you though. Having a PS4, PS4 Pro, and PC covers a lot of bases.
I own both and totally disagree.
Wipeout runs native 4K/60 on Pro, yet you don't see people saying why can't God of War do the same.
Almost all of your arguments in this thread don't make a lot of sense.
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Maybe for you. For most of people it looks almost the same. Definitely not 500$ 7-8TF better.
That's why i got bored with PC gaming in general. I dont want to pay 500-600$ for gpu only to look slighly better and have to pixel search the differences.
It's of no use to compare first party games because that doesn't tell you much. Nobody knows how GTS would look like on an Xbox One or how Forza would look on a PS4.
Yeah, I'm sure of it. For now it's slightly better. When it'll be on your platform of choice, it'll be amazing and mindblowing.
I mean, we had the same stuff going on one generation ago:
"There's not not many benefits from 720p to 1080p"
"PS3 exclusives such as The Last of Us or Uncharted 3 or God of War 3 looks better than anything else"
"No time for pixel counting".
Then 1080p became like the second coming. Another exemple would be downsampling and other stuff like this which never mattered before and with PS4 Pro or XB1X we got messages such as "omg downsampling isna game changer"
"Boost mode sony/microsoft pls"
"Downsampling os wise pls"
Uncharted 4, Horizon Zero Dawn, InFamous Second Son, God of War, The Order 1886 etc were all overall mostly graphically improved in their final retail builds comparative to their initial gameplay (not cutscene) demo's.
Using your Uncharted 4 example, whilst the odd rare texture was worse vs the gameplay demo builds, on the whole the UC4 retail build was a big improvement, with better character shading, post processing, effects, dust, lighting, improved motion blur, colours etc. See here (Digital Foundry analysis).
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It's nice to precise that for Uncharted 4. Because otherwise people would think of the "realtime gameplay 1080p/60fps" cutscene which was beyond anything in the retail game, even during cutscenes.
Right, but The Last of Us Part 2 demo that was recently shown at E3 wasn't a cutscene like the previous trailers, it was direct gameplay, hence it makes sense that based on historical precedence the final retail game will if anything look better, not worse.
I think 4x is only the role of thumb. Microsoft already said that you don't need to multiply every resource to achieve native 4k.
4k is not a fad. There's no going back at this point. 4k looks noticeably better than 1080p or 1440p. Checkerboarding is an amazing technique. I wish pc games offered it.
Yep, it's what next-gen will be all about... when they should also be pushing for Ultra Wide resolutions and something similar to FreeSync / G-Sync, but for consoles. Those are the real game changers.
Again guys, it's not about how something looks because that is subjective. It's about what is computationally expansive and of course a PC runs circles around the base consoles with the right hardware. Sony first party is a combination of talent, money thrown at a project, dedication and using hardware efficiently.
Lot of X games achieve 4k30 with very good IQ. Example - Gears, Halo 5, Forza Horizon nd all.
Horizon 4 with dynamic season nd all will have 4k30 option.
Farcry 5 as well
And those who saying there's nothing on PC which can match Horizon Zero Dawn are ignorant and don't know much about PC gaming . Crysis 3 wrecks Horizon Zero Dawn on Ultra.
Horizon 4 with dynamic season nd all will have 4k30 option.
Farcry 5 as well
And those who saying there's nothing on PC which can match Horizon Zero Dawn are ignorant and don't know much about PC gaming . Crysis 3 wrecks Horizon Zero Dawn on Ultra.