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Valve’s Leaked Steam Data Suggests Wolfenstein II Really Did Sell Poorly on PC
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Nier: Automata may be a very demanding game considering it's old-gen graphics, but it stills runs like a dream on my PC compared to The Evil Within 2. This one never feels smooth and stutters even when running at locked 60 FPS and 16.6ms frame times. You simply can't brute force it like Nier: Automata. TEW2 is easily the worse PC port in recent years.
I feel like only reviewers truly loved this game. Most of the users from what i have read are disappointed.
just checked, The New Order is sitting at 81 OC and 79 MC. Wtf
So the only Bethesda games that did good this gen is Fallout 4 and Doom? (And I guess Skyrim Remastered if that counts?)
Dishonored 2, The Evil Within 2, Wolfenstein II all sold poorly, a real shame with the first two. No wonder they keep remastering Skyrim and we're thankfully getting Doom 2.
I loved Dishonored 2 and it's DLC and Evil Within 2, shame if those franchises are done.
Dishonored 2, The Evil Within 2, Wolfenstein II all sold poorly, a real shame with the first two. No wonder they keep remastering Skyrim and we're thankfully getting Doom 2.
I loved Dishonored 2 and it's DLC and Evil Within 2, shame if those franchises are done.
This, so much. Just played through on Switch and it's an amazing game. Amazing story, amazing setpieces, and amazing gameplay. And I don't know what the hell are those complains about not being able to tell if they are shooting at you. Seem to think there was a patch, and it's definitely not a problem now.
It's very sad for me that it has such a bad rep here, because I've had great fun with it.
Really...bad?! Damn, we have very different tastes then.
It's a shame that it has to be this way because those games kick the shit out of most AAA games. Prey absolutely wipes the floor with just about every major AAA release last year as does Dishonored 2. It's not even close...but I realize I'm alone in that sentiment.
Too soon for those but i'm not sure if it will outsell the Steam version.
1. June and July are packed with releases for the Switch.
2. It came out almost a year after the first announcement for the Switch version.
3. Unlike Doom, i feel like it suffered from bad pubblicity where instead of praising the fact that it was a modern current gen shooter on an handheld, some reviewer and lots of PS4/XB1/PC users yelled at the fact that this isn't the best way to play this game, or even the way you should play it (which i think it's very harsh to say)
LOL. I'm pretty sure your 3 should be that the game had pretty mixed/ poor word of mouth, not that some forum users were mean to a specific version.
I liked Wolfenstein II, but I think I prefer the New Order. Not sure I understand why they had the hub-based design and repeating levels with different goals.
Part of me figures they originally did want to announce this game over a year before they actually did, but stopped because they just weren't sure about it. It has set-pieces, holy shit it has set-pieces but I feel like the gameplay is among the weakest elements of The New Colossus, which is a pretty big factor all things considered.
Part of me figures they originally did want to announce this game over a year before they actually did, but stopped because they just weren't sure about it. It has set-pieces, holy shit it has set-pieces but I feel like the gameplay is among the weakest elements of The New Colossus, which is a pretty big factor all things considered.
Who said I hated TNC? I said it was a letdown, it was a disappointment. I played TNO on PS4 (Platinumed, even) and PC, TNC only on PC. The shooting /gameplay itself isn't what's bad. It's the atmosphere/story and the setting/setpieces that was, in my opinion, worse than TNO in any way.
In TNO (after a great intro), you build a resistance group, travel the world/universe and recover artefacts. It kinda felt like a journey. And I liked the general feeling of being the weak underdog that can defeat that overpowered enemy only by using tricks and stuff. The setpieces and atmosphere in some cases was what made it really stand out for me. Pacing wasn't perfect yes, but it isn't any better in TNC either and TNC, for me, doesn't have any great setpieces that are comparable to those of TNO. I don't even remember half of the game anymore.
It is a bummer, as pretty much anything made by Arkane kicks the crap out of other shallower AAA games. Prey did hurt itself with the name thing, input lag on consoles, and the demo being the weakest part of the campaign.
That's what i've heard on some gaming websites, podcasts, forums... Unlike Doom where there was the praise for having that kind of experience finally available on the go, this time there was a bunch of users (from all the sources i mentioned above) from other platforms saying things like "you shouldn't play this game on Switch".
Reviews for Wolf 2 on Switch were generally positive (i think it was around 77 on Metacritic)
Don't get me wrong, it's totally true that Wolf 2 on Switch is not the best way to play it, but if you own only that platform you have no other choices, and in general i think we should praise more the idea of playing current gen games on the go instead of whining about resolutions cause you wouldn't get the best res / frame rate on Switch anyway so what's the point?
Ah, you know I completely forgot about Mafia 3. I haven't played it, but I'm aware of some of its themes. Wolfenstein 2 actually also heavily features the KKK in the context of them being useful idiots towards letting the nazis push fascism and Nazism easier in the Nazi occupied US. I think how the devs incorporated that is pertinent to today because it's very obvious the modern day neo-nazis exploit racial animus in America to get people to accept what are very clearly dangerous ideas that benefit very few.
As much as I stan for Wolf 2 I will say I had some really stupidly game breaking bugs that really bummed me out. Like one that literally kept me from completing the game and I had to roll back like 2-3 hours of progress to catch back up to.
None of that though has any bearing on the actual content which I have been totally there for since day one. I will say though I think the DLC offerings were a little soft for sure especially since they seemed to heavily reuse currently existing assets and abilities from the main game. But the main game itself is such a cathartic power fantasy about taking hatchets to Nazis that I couldn't help to be enthralled the entire way. Machine games I thought did a pretty good job with character work too. BJ had some really good moments, Grace's monologue on race and america was just absolute fire and Super Spesh was played for comedy I think in the right spots where there is so much grim shit happening in between those brief moments of levity.
i thought it had sold less. its not THAT bad. its not a very good game either way so it got the sales it deserved if you ask me.
on the other hand, good for prey. i hope it gets to that 1 million soon. deserves it.
on the other hand, good for prey. i hope it gets to that 1 million soon. deserves it.
Oh, the game is not technically perfect, it has its fair share of bugs (To be honest, every idTech 5/6 game that I've played has had quite a few bugs in my experience) and performance issues on PC, but it's an amazing ride with some of the best shooting I ever enjoyed. I do think it needs a mouse or gyro aiming to be properly enjoyed though, without them dual-wield is useless. Can't speak for the DLC, but I sure want more. I'll play the other time-line of the campaign that's for sure.
I do wonder if white male fragility/alt-right/Gamergate had to do with the bad word of mouth around the game.
Yeah, filled with either complaints about technical issues early in the games life or complaints about "SJWs ruining gaming" or "Politics" and similar dog whistles.
550k
Really poorly
I mean, ok. Adding in console numbers, I wonder if Bethesda is really upset about, probably, 1 million x $60 in sales.
Really poorly
I mean, ok. Adding in console numbers, I wonder if Bethesda is really upset about, probably, 1 million x $60 in sales.
Yeah, it's selling as much as the first game. The article is comparing sales numbers of both games as if they were released at the same time and have received the same amount of discounts which is stupid.
Wouldn't mind if the sales were bad and they went back to the original's style for the sequel instead. Of course the more likely result is they'd deviate even further or just not make more. But it sold good anyway so eh, lol. Hopefully the next one is better regardless, I really couldn't get into it even though I liked the first game well enough.
The real crime is how little Evil Within 2 sold. I had lots of fun with the game. It deserved better.
Im not sure it was 1 million at 60 bucks, but if it was that's close to the ceiling for what it could have been. That would represent something like 30-35 mln in revenue which would not have broken even on an AAA production. Factoring in months of discounted sales it probably has broken even but "small profit after six months on the market" isn't a good thing from the publisher perspective.
Alone? Come on now. Dishonored 2 was GOTY 2016 only tied with Blood and Wine, and Prey was undisputed GOTY 2017.
Evil Within 2 is a very solid 8/10 action horror too and deserves at least three times the sales it has. I find its super low sales utterly bizzare. I was sold since they showed the first amazing trailer (plus I loved the first game obvs).
Wolfestein 2 is the only recent Bethesda game I am not a huge fan of, but it was still decent. Just some bad gameplay decisions and by the numbers level design let it down.
Where the first was a flawed but fun to be had 7/10, the sequel really just stayed in the territory of a 6/10 given the poor level design and just mediocre feedback with the guns. The story was clearly where the focus was met, it was strange at times as I wasn't in love with it but it did the job of me caring what happens to the likes of B.J. and Anya. More focus needs to be putting on making the gameplay as fun moment to moment as Doom was IMO.
Given that the sequel was already announced hopefully they focus on giving the level design the same attention they gave the hokey at times inconsistent tone of the story. Also bring boss battles back, the fight with Deathhead and the London Monitor were way more exciting than that awkward fight at the end of the New Colossus.
Given that the sequel was already announced hopefully they focus on giving the level design the same attention they gave the hokey at times inconsistent tone of the story. Also bring boss battles back, the fight with Deathhead and the London Monitor were way more exciting than that awkward fight at the end of the New Colossus.
How can you think Evil Within 2 has bad combat when you like God of War 2018 a game whose lock on gives up once an enemy moves three feet away from you?
Not to mention the slugfest that is Witcher 3
Discounts have been minimal so it's likely more than 30 million, but that's just guessing. Anyway, maybe I'm not hyperoblic enough, but "really poorly" doesn't sound like "turned a small profit." I mean, where does "really poorly" fall on the spectrum of massive losses to huge profits? If "really poorly" means "small profit", what term do we use for "lost a lot of money?"
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Yeah, They just announced another Wolfenstein game, The Evil Within 2 is the bigger story here, they didn't even announce DLC for it.
The game went on 50% discount on steam by Christmas and was heavily discounted in retail stores earlier than that. Prior to discounts it moved about 180k units on steam, I was watching the numbers go up slowly on steam spy daily for the first few weeks.
The "well the game is bad so glad it flopped" group here is annoying on multiple levels. Smh.
And this is also a bad take. No, it wasn't only critics who liked the game. Even on this forum which definitely has a large group of dissenters, it managed number 17 in the GOTYs for one of the best years in gaming (and that's a handful of spots too low at least imo)
And this is also a bad take. No, it wasn't only critics who liked the game. Even on this forum which definitely has a large group of dissenters, it managed number 17 in the GOTYs for one of the best years in gaming (and that's a handful of spots too low at least imo)
They announced a stand alone expansion pack which was coop focused. Prey got an expansion with multiplayer.
You don't have to read between the lines too heavily here - these sales were highly unsatisfactory.
Sure, ok, fine. I'm just trying to imagine the Bethesda meeting where Wolfenstein II sells, hypothetically, only 100k. If 1 million combined sales (my poorly guesstimated combined sales across all platforms) is "really poorly", is 100k like total god damn insanity? Are Bethesda executives losing their minds and tearing each other to pieces? I'm trying to push my mindset into the dramatic, reactionary, knee-jerk world where "really poorly" is "a small profit" and anything else is the difference between orgasmic ecstasy and homicidal life destroying madness.
Maybe it's just me but "really poorly" would indicate something like "significant loss". Not just Bethesda execs not being able to put downpayments on new mansions.
I dunno, you know.
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I bought it on PC originally but the damn thing kept crashing on me so I refunded it and bought it for the PS4
The Evil Within 2... poor baby. The first game's reception really killed any chance it had.
Wolfenstein TNC is a bad game all things considered but I'd be surprised if word of mouth is what caused the sales to be so low. Probably the release date is what done it.
Wolfenstein TNC is a bad game all things considered but I'd be surprised if word of mouth is what caused the sales to be so low. Probably the release date is what done it.
It's not a new trend. These kinds of games have had a history of average to below average sales. The System Shocks and Thiefs of the world are like art that is only appreciated years later. 20 years from now people will still be talking about Prey, not so much a lot of the games that outsold it.
This made me giggle. (Seriously though - agreed, that game is great)
On topic - oof, but I can see why. This game had kinda bad word of mouth for a well-acclaimed AAA game. I hope the end of the trilogy learns some lessons in gameplay, and doesn't pull as many thematic punches as Wolfenstein II ultimately did.
Yeah but they're at least making new content for those games, they seem to be so burned by The Evil Withiin 2 that they wont even make DLC for it, so i thinks its weird to single out Wolfenstein.
Well this is probably the last Hurrah for Prey, because it's sales were allegedly skewed heavily towards the pc (meaning sold notably below wolf 2 despite having more sales on PC specifically). Wolf 3 is probably happening (with multi) and TEW3 is probably happening too.
TEW 2 bombed like prey did, but fills a role in Bethesda's portfolio. Without Prey they still have the more successful immersive sim in Dishonoured, and the more successful scifi shooters in Wolf/Doom. TEW is their only horror property though.
TEW2's numbers are so disheartening. It's one of the best horror games released in recent memory.
Almost everyone was praising it for the nazi killing but gameplay being described in a review as lacking what doom had with the glory kills dropping health was a deal breaker for me
It's not. I wanted to like both TEW1/2, they both absolutely failed at what they were trying to emulate, or at least 1 did. TEW2 didn't seem like it was trying to be RE4, which is the best I could say about the first.
Whatever it was trying to do, it failed. No atmosphere thanks to the bland areas and more open design, combat felt worse than the first game and required you to stealth on the hard difficulty I played on, dreadful writing and storytelling just like the first game. The problem with near forced stealth on hard is that it makes the game absolutely easy as hell, there's no challenge in it and the AI is overtly easy to cheese.
I didn't play either of these games for horror, I'm not really affected by anything horror related. Even taking that into consideration, I refuse to believe that there are people that are affected by the horror in these games. The horror sequences are poorly paced, and the monsters they throw at you are the opposite of scary.
I wanted a modern day RE4 seeing at they are games with a very similar gameplay style and Mikami was involved in both. I wouldn't have cared if the games focused more on horror than RE4 if at the very least the gameplay was comparable in quality to that of RE4.
Anyway, the whole point of this comment is: TEW1 is much better than TEW2, both are mediocre/bad.
And with Fallout 76 being online only i bet Bethesda thinks pure SP games just aren't enough anymore. TEW3 is totally going to have co-op like RE5.
