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Magic: the Gathering |OT| Core Set 2019 - In the midnight hour, she yelled "Core! Core! Core!"
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You should be mad at how bad the economy should be when everyone else is doing it 100x better. Magic has always been a trading card game why change that? Because you would rather pay more money?
because the 2ndary market has downsides that can be mitigated in a closed system. Also there's plenty of complaining about the economy and Wotc clearly still doesn't have a clue what to do w/ the 5th copy of a card you open but they think they can get away w/ it due to offering more gameplay. Their words not mine.
A $60 game that gets major content updates 4 times a year in perpetuity based on a TCG model?
lololol TCGs are TCGs. Not Overwatch.
Arena's still in closed beta, and the economy has become more consumer-friendly with each major update. Let's stop treating it like it's an officially released product with a finalized economy.
It needs to be improved, drastically in some areas, but it's silly to pretend that the scale of releases would or could work on the same model as new digital-first CCGs like Hearthstone or Eternal. Pokemon TCGO is a better comparison, but even that only allows you to trade cards that you've acquired via real money transactions.
What they need is better matchmaking and more separation of event types so that whales and F2P players aren't hopelessly intermingled.
It needs to be improved, drastically in some areas, but it's silly to pretend that the scale of releases would or could work on the same model as new digital-first CCGs like Hearthstone or Eternal. Pokemon TCGO is a better comparison, but even that only allows you to trade cards that you've acquired via real money transactions.
What they need is better matchmaking and more separation of event types so that whales and F2P players aren't hopelessly intermingled.
match making doesn't improve when you split the playerbase into a dozen different modes. Arena already has too many modes imo.
A game with an economy this bad also won't last very long when it lacks the most popular formats and charges almost the same amount for drafting as MTGO (competitive).
Trading system would made make the economy atleast more bearable considering Wizards like you said has no idea. Trading would make a $10 draft would make the pill a tad bit easier to swallow but if they continue the model they have people will just continue to play paper/MTGO.
And why they don't allow you to use your packs to cut the cost of draft entry's is beyond me. Hell, even the codes in packs thing they tested with they completely messed up.
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A TCG with a one-time fee that covers all content in perpetuity won't last at all because it won't be able to get income to pay for content updates.
I think they just need a pauper and/or singleton format and a phantom draft so free players never feel like they're being gated from playing. You can pretty much always afford a singleton or pauper deck and a phantom draft's entry fee would be so cheap you basically couldn't go finite, but the dream of a fully tuned standard deck is always there to dump resources into over time and encourage putting in a little real cash from time to time.
I got into arena almost 3 months ago and i have about 4 respectable standard decks so that's pretty fair economywise but I've had some consistently good drafts along the way. I could just as easily see a flat fee for all cards model working with some paid cosmetics like card backs and player avatars paying the bills, I think a lot of people underestimate just how much funner it is to play when you have the freedom to brew and test with the full breadth of a game's cards instead of curating 1 or 2 netdecked lists because that's all you can afford. I'm just not sure that's a great idea for magic, specifically, which has always fumbled a bit when trying to enter the digital space while keeping rule and value parity with its paper half.
I got into arena almost 3 months ago and i have about 4 respectable standard decks so that's pretty fair economywise but I've had some consistently good drafts along the way. I could just as easily see a flat fee for all cards model working with some paid cosmetics like card backs and player avatars paying the bills, I think a lot of people underestimate just how much funner it is to play when you have the freedom to brew and test with the full breadth of a game's cards instead of curating 1 or 2 netdecked lists because that's all you can afford. I'm just not sure that's a great idea for magic, specifically, which has always fumbled a bit when trying to enter the digital space while keeping rule and value parity with its paper half.
I don't think you're comprehending the ramifications of a trade based economy, and I also think you're completely ignoring that its still passable as a free experience. It's obviously not as good as Hearthstone economy wise, but its not this hilarious trainwreck you're making it out to be. A trade based economy would mean *no dusting or wildcards or an equivalent whatsoever*. You're asking for artificial scarcity above and beyond the artificial scarcity that they already have in Arena and that is completely baffling.
I'm fine with no trading, but the current implementation sucks. I don't understand why they just don't rip the HS model off wholesale instead of putting in a system that is worse in every meaningful way.
Like, what are the problems with the HS model they're trying to solve? HS makes the developers tons of money, and players get to play with exactly the cards they want. It seems like Blizzard basically solved the digital CCG model.
I kind of want to put a standard deck together to mess around with on lunch break, but in Arena it's such a pain in the ass to put a deck together that I'm just going to do it in MODO.
Like, what are the problems with the HS model they're trying to solve? HS makes the developers tons of money, and players get to play with exactly the cards they want. It seems like Blizzard basically solved the digital CCG model.
I kind of want to put a standard deck together to mess around with on lunch break, but in Arena it's such a pain in the ass to put a deck together that I'm just going to do it in MODO.
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I think they have a target of it taking something like $100 on average to get a tier deck on Arena, and I don't think that will change. So prepare to fork over that much money or maybe more if you get unlucky with your pulls.
Meanwhile, I have to build 5 color horse tribal.
Meanwhile, I have to build 5 color horse tribal.
They think their system will make them more money than Blizzard's system. Having multiple currencies hides how much money you're actually spending and wildcards make it harder to craft so you have to sink more money into it than if dusting was a thing.
It's not really thinking about the customer.
I'm doing OK i think despite the shit economy. I have a Mardu Vehicles, Mono-Red Agro and a Vampires deck. Surprisingly a Mardu Vehicles build (pre-Ixalan) is doing very well for me, i'm not even bothering to put Dominaria/Ixalan block cards in it outside the landbase.
I really want to make a favourable Winds deck when there isn't any wipes happening.
I really want to make a favourable Winds deck when there isn't any wipes happening.
I'd guess they are afraid of creating an MTG game with a wildly different (and more cheap) economy than what the paper and MTGO have.
So what I'm hearing is you want to be able to go infinite in draft more easily? Play WotC's biggest money-making format for free? Yeah, I can't understand why they don't want you to do that. It's a mystery: someone better call Scooby-Doo to unravel it.
I feel dirty for even saying this but my opponent used the wand to pull an essence scatter from my deck and countered my windreader sphinx.
I'm never mad at games but today is an exception.
Speaking of pulls I've had pretty good luck with pre release drafts, I've pulled Tezzeret, liliana, Crucible of Worlds, Vivien and scapeshift. I usually have horrible luck.
Dude that gets super pissed about variance is my least favorite card shop character to play against, or next to, or in the general area of. You'd really think anyone that's been playing for years would have made their peace with bad luck.
I didn't realize it *always* hits a spell at first because I just assumed it was like the top x cards like various other cards in the set.
I didn't realize it *always* hits a spell at first because I just assumed it was like the top x cards like various other cards in the set.
Variance doesn't bother me and mulligans/flooding are part of magic. Poorly balanced cards rub me the wrong way though, Wand is just dumb in limited since most instant/sorceries are removals/card draw in limited and stealing them directly and without fail guarantees you slower matches.
At least planeswalkers are mythic.
At least planeswalkers are mythic.
The Wand is incredible because my friend was down to 5 life against someone at 27 during game 3 at the pre-release and his opponent activated the wand and completely whiffed on my friends deck but the shuffle put his Resplendent Angel on top and as soon as she dropped the opponent did mental math, saw that my friend had like 14 mana up and realized that he couldn't race and conceded right there
It was fucking amazing
It was fucking amazing
To be clear I wasn't talking about you with that variance comment. Was just complaining to the air about a regular at my LGS who is generally miserable to play against/around and has been for a long time.
Finally got around to picking up the second commander anthology and have hashed out a decent amount of rounds against each other.
Breed Lethality seems to run away with the game very quickly if no one has any answers. Bit odd that they bundled infinite combos in with Ghave. I can see why atraxa is such a common commander now though, proliferate alongside the counter generators/doublers is just insane.
The Daretti deck seems a bit... lacklustre. The deck just seems to durdle off the artifacts and never really gets all that spicy. Actually getting daretti's emblem and comboing it with wurmcoil engine is cool though. Feels the most consistent, but least... fun.
The Mimeoplasm is a heap of fun, probably my favourite deck of the lot, mill everyone, play with your/their graveyards. Does everything or nothing it seems though, playing against the atraxa or kalemne deck that is going off doesn't really give you much time to build things up.
Wade into Battle/Kalemne I find an odd deck, doesn't take much hate for it to be useless for a good while and doesn't really seem like there is much room to move if you want to go down the giant route. More fun than the C17 dragon deck at least, cards play off each other nicely as opposed to each big dragon doing their own thing. Myriad is a very cool and scary mechanic and I love how many cards use it.
Probably going to keep these decks unmodified, Atraxa definitely ran away with the most games but that was definitely due to not knowing the cards.
Breed Lethality seems to run away with the game very quickly if no one has any answers. Bit odd that they bundled infinite combos in with Ghave. I can see why atraxa is such a common commander now though, proliferate alongside the counter generators/doublers is just insane.
The Daretti deck seems a bit... lacklustre. The deck just seems to durdle off the artifacts and never really gets all that spicy. Actually getting daretti's emblem and comboing it with wurmcoil engine is cool though. Feels the most consistent, but least... fun.
The Mimeoplasm is a heap of fun, probably my favourite deck of the lot, mill everyone, play with your/their graveyards. Does everything or nothing it seems though, playing against the atraxa or kalemne deck that is going off doesn't really give you much time to build things up.
Wade into Battle/Kalemne I find an odd deck, doesn't take much hate for it to be useless for a good while and doesn't really seem like there is much room to move if you want to go down the giant route. More fun than the C17 dragon deck at least, cards play off each other nicely as opposed to each big dragon doing their own thing. Myriad is a very cool and scary mechanic and I love how many cards use it.
Probably going to keep these decks unmodified, Atraxa definitely ran away with the most games but that was definitely due to not knowing the cards.
Is there a cheaper, as in real money, alternative for Vraskas contempt for Black/White, Black/Blue decks to exile threats like planeswalkers? We are now building a Black/White Vampire deck and a Black/Blue control deck who both shall not rotate out and are really bothered by the price for vraskas contempt.
Blessed Light in W is the only thing I can think of, obviously significantly worse than VC put an Instant exile Creature of Planeswalker effect.
Decided to buy the rest of the missing pieces for a Titanshift deck. Scapeshift is like $13 each from Troll and Toad and Stomping Groups are only $15.50. I am impatient and i know they most likely will get reprinted in the Ravnica sets. I will sell them off again in afew months.
Crowdlands are cheap too now and will only go up in price as time goes on.
Crowdlands are cheap too now and will only go up in price as time goes on.
Wow, Arena is broken beyond belief now.
Went to a Quick Constructed queue, played 1-2. Then on the fourth game I won, but the game froze when I did lethal, literally when the opponent was at 1 life and I played Sunscorched Desert. The game started roping me so I restarted in the hopes it was a connection issue. It wasn't. Instead the game restarted, automatically put me in a match loading screen, put me against that same opponent, and drew us the exact same cards, starting hand and topdecks all.
The "re-match" was unwinnable because of perfect information, so eventually I scooped and was put back in the main screen. The crashed game session had registered as a loss (of course), and apparently this phantom game was not part of the QC at all.
Went to a Quick Constructed queue, played 1-2. Then on the fourth game I won, but the game froze when I did lethal, literally when the opponent was at 1 life and I played Sunscorched Desert. The game started roping me so I restarted in the hopes it was a connection issue. It wasn't. Instead the game restarted, automatically put me in a match loading screen, put me against that same opponent, and drew us the exact same cards, starting hand and topdecks all.
The "re-match" was unwinnable because of perfect information, so eventually I scooped and was put back in the main screen. The crashed game session had registered as a loss (of course), and apparently this phantom game was not part of the QC at all.
I talked to my friend who plays at one of the local shops around me (there's like 4 within 15 minutes which feels crazy as I live in the middle of nowhere), and it looks like they have league nights with a fairly regular group of 10-15 people, so I think I'm going to take a shot at that.
I've also heard that the preconstructed commander decks are good for trying out commander, but the prices on them seem crazy. Is there a way to find them at MSRP or do you just have to get lucky?
I've also heard that the preconstructed commander decks are good for trying out commander, but the prices on them seem crazy. Is there a way to find them at MSRP or do you just have to get lucky?
The issue Arena has that Hearthstone doesn't is the paper game. If you make Arena too cheap and too attractive you are actually losing money because people are going to play that instead of buying physical cards
More prebuilt Commander decks come out August 10th. I think the msrp is $29.99. your local card shop should have plenty
New ones are $40, it's pretty rough.
Your best chance to find one that's already out is probably a Walmart or Target.
So basically, pick the new one that looks the most interesting and run out to my local store the day it comes out?
They release the deck lists before so yeah, just see what you are most interested in. You usually don't have to get them day 1. If the lgs takes too much above msrp you can always get them online. They are a really good deal for the price and will give you a solid commander deck.
Wal-Mart, especially in low-traffic areas. I found the Vampiric Bloodlust one last month at an out-of-the-way Wal-Mart.
Check GameStop too, if there are any available near you they're on clearance.
I feel like, since I said, there's a good amount of local gaming shops that there'd be a lot of people who would go looking in the area, but I guess I can take a look later.
It looks like Arcane Wizardry is MSRP online and is supposed to be a good base for upgrades, so I might look for that.
That's the one I found at GameStop. Tons of amazing cards to start building your own Commander decks and not bad as a precon.
We have a local chain of game stores that frequently have OOP precons and special sets but are usually at market price or above.
Currently the maximum cost of a specific rare on MTGA is $6 (assuming worst pity timer). And you get 5 other rares, 12 uncommons to fill out your jank collection. And 40% of a specific mythic.
I'm pretty fine with where this is landing, especially when you consider the rate of just random cards you get on top of that. Never played Standard before, and I have a ton of decks on Arena (including jank). Plus I've done 30 drafts. All on less spent than a single T1 Standard decks.
I guess it's like 8 packs on average (100 dust) to build 2x epics on HS? Compared to 24 packs to build a complete rare playset on MTG. I like keeping all the cards, though.
I'm pretty fine with where this is landing, especially when you consider the rate of just random cards you get on top of that. Never played Standard before, and I have a ton of decks on Arena (including jank). Plus I've done 30 drafts. All on less spent than a single T1 Standard decks.
I guess it's like 8 packs on average (100 dust) to build 2x epics on HS? Compared to 24 packs to build a complete rare playset on MTG. I like keeping all the cards, though.
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Am i the only guy playing serpopard on mtg arena? Even in high gold tiers the number of times a day people try to counter a creature with it in play then concede when they realize why it fizzled is baffling to me.
I was actually psyched for those fake commanders last page. I didn't see any "build around me in this super obvious way" things and I liked that :\
The original art for Shaharazad is up for sale https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-...-of-the-c-total-2-items-/a/121829-14061.s?ic2
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