Why do you assume that trans actors have no experience or skills?
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Scarlett Johansson leaves Rub & Tug following transgender casting backlash
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I don't. Like I said, I only know Daniela Vega and she's amazing. Can you tell why there are no trans actors then?
Odds that you don't get this character?No. That's really horrible shit. But I really liked this.
100%.
And coincidentally, trans actors will always remain unqualified for some odd unknown reason because meritocracy is totally real and there is absolutely no bias is casting whatsoever.
There are - they just don't get cast because, surprise, Hollywood is transphobic as fuck and thinks this shit is okay.
Look all I'm saying if you want the story of soul being told you probably shouldn't bitch about C Thomas Howell y'all.
Laverne Cox? Kate DIllon? Jaime Clayton? And plenty more, not like you would give a shit to inform yourself.
Wanting representation and to not reinforce wrong stereotypes that trans people are "in gender disguise" is stupid?
Chip-chip-chip-chip-cheep-cheep.
I get it 100%. It's antiracism, antiblackface joke. What's not to get in it? It's a great character and Downey is amazing.
Indeed, there is. And no one is denying that. There's just the question about skills needed for this particular movie. Are there any trans actors as good as Scarlett for the role of a real-life ass-kicking mobster boss? If so, were they tested out? If now, why? If there are no such trans actors... uhm, then there shouldn't be any problems casting Scarlett. Now, do we know who were tested for the role? Was Scarlett the best one of the lot?
Oh boy I didn't know every successful actor was successful since bitth and/or was always shit in their first role.
There's this thing called AUDITIONING....
There's this thing called AUDITIONING....
There was no casting call; it was a project with Scarjo gauranteed the role because she has a working relationship with the producer or director. So there was no system in place of "let the best person get the role."
Why would you say that? Why all that aggression?
Missed my post about Daniela Vega? Do you know who she is?
I haven't seen them in any movie that I know. Are they any good? Scarlett level good?
Nope, scarlett would have played a man, in the same way swank played a man
This man ^
The idea is simple people : You don't choose a skinny dude to play Captain America because the end goal is insanely strong dude.
You choose a man to play a man and a woman to play a woman.
Preferable a trans man to play a trans man, but the LEAST you can do is hire a cis man to play the role of a trans man.
Swank was praised because we didn't knew that 20 years later we STILL would not have a trans OR cis man playing a lead trans man in movies.
As if she's some acclaimed actress ddd. Sis' main role is a super hero.
Maybe someone who doesn't understand but isn't a bigoted asshole will, though.
Canceling it after all of this would also create a controversy. I imagine it will get made. Maybe they'll scale back the budget or something, but I feel they kind of have to make it now.
Lost in translation was phenomenal. Her voice acting in Her was also amazing.
Just make scarjo the wife. Look at the picture Platy posted. Wife looks a lot like scarjo
I think she'd be advised to stay away. Her being in the movie in any way would remind people of the controversy every time she'd be on the screen. She'll probably get some sort of producer credit to show she's an ally and supports the movie or something.
I'm really sorry. I'd like to try and do better, hope you guys can give me a chance to.
I was replying to litebrite in the recent locked thread if you guys want to continue the discussion feel free.
but when we are talking about historically marginalized/oppressed it does not hold water. Scarjo is not challenging people perspective by playing a man, she is continuing the harmful Hollywood messages that transmen are not men but women, transwomen are not women but men. Contributing to public perceptions trans people are playing dress up and tricking people, which causes trans-phobia and other gender biases that can lead discrimination and unfortunately death.
my initial post about the recent news
In that context everybody can understands this to challenge perceptions.
but when we are talking about historically marginalized/oppressed it does not hold water. Scarjo is not challenging people perspective by playing a man, she is continuing the harmful Hollywood messages that transmen are not men but women, transwomen are not women but men. Contributing to public perceptions trans people are playing dress up and tricking people, which causes trans-phobia and other gender biases that can lead discrimination and unfortunately death.
my initial post about the recent news
No, according to Hollywood, they aren't. I mean, you could try showing me all the big non-trans roles played by Trans people? That's the thing: The whole "They are ACTORS!!!!"-argument is toxic as fuck, because that argument only goes for cis-people, while Transgender people are not only getting ignored for cis roles but ALSO for transgender roles.
Oh I agree, as well as your other post about in a fair and just world everybody could play anybody regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc... but unfortunately we don't live in that world and we have systems in place that overtly favor a specific group.
Joel Silver is producing it. He has enough money that he doesn't really have a good excuse to drop it.
Clearly you ignored the many trans people that were pissed off at The Danish girl and Dallas Buyers Club not only for stealing trans roles to allow mediocre men to win awards, but for being misery porn for cis audiences to swoon over how tragic trans lives are.
Glad to see she stepped down from the role, even if her initial response was bad. I hope this project continues but with a proper actor in the lead role. And a better title.
And jeez, the posts in this thread. People just refuse to accept basic concepts.
And jeez, the posts in this thread. People just refuse to accept basic concepts.
People love arguing in theory without any real world context on how skewed the application is.
I'm pretty fucking sick of how white straight cis hollywood has to keep up with this stupid shitty oscar bait about how much suffering minority classes go through. From PoC to gay to trans people, it's like they can't just tell a story with drama that comes out happy. It's all gotta be tragedy porn.
Yeah for real - that trend in media just treats people other than straight cis white people as objects to be fawned over. That's why I want the younger voters joining the AMPAS this year to shake things up - I want people to speak about their own experiences in movies, not letting approved classes speak for us. I could go further, but I'll save that rant for my oscars watch thread.
I want to share this interview with Sebastian Leilo (director of "fantastic woman" ) about this theme
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...nsson-transgender-casting-controversy-1125245
The most interesting quotes imo
I think he had a valid point.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...nsson-transgender-casting-controversy-1125245
The most interesting quotes imo
I think he had a valid point.
Right
And when it's not 99% cis 1% trans getting trans roles we can talk about this.
A very ingenious and idealistic point
In an IDEAL WORLD, yes, there would be not problem for a cis actor to play a trans role because trans actors would be normaly cast in cis roles.
But not only that DON'T HAPPEN, but we NEVER EVEN HAD A CIS MALE ACTOR PORTRAY A LEAD TRANS MAN ROLE in a movie. All lead trans man roles in the HISTORY OF MOVIE were made by cis WOMEN.
Terrible overreacting by her, she could have easily just played the wife but instead just leave the project
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Would you guys be okay with a cis male playing the role, or is that too close to black face.
Apart from the problem of taking roles away from already underrepresented trans actors, that would always be preferable. Men playing men, women playing women. The issue is that cis women playing trans men and cis men playing trans women reinforces the idea that trans people aren't actually their gender.