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Rod Rosenstein Announces 12 More Russians Indicted for hacking Democrats
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Maryland's 2016 results were very similar to its 2012 results. This is Russia playing another long game. They probably wanted to get their tentacles into more states' systems before doing widespread tampering.
Russia is right now worse than the US by pretty much any measure. To argue otherwise is to not know what's going on. That doesn't mean the US is perfect.
That's just ignorance. If you're telling me you're just as well off living in Russia as you are in the US, you're either lying or you have no idea what's actually happening in the world.
Haven't you noticed everyone is so afraid of the shit Trump is doing because it looks like he's trying to emulate in small parts the sorts of things Putin does regularly and with impunity? Jailing reporters and dissidents, killing opponents, annexing countries, treating LBGTQ and minorities in ways that make the US look like a utopia, etc, etc, etc. That is all real and happening.
The 'Who's Worse' game was, maybe, a fun one to play under the Clinton/Bush/Obama presidency, but today, it really does not matter whatsoever. We're no longer dealing with two Superpowers with their own conflicting agendas, doing their own dirt; we're dealing with two Superpowers beginning to operate in concert.
And, I think we can all agree that Russia and the USA working together is unequivocally worse for the entire world.
They're gonna classify that info and release it when we're all near our deathbeds.
Was there really no better way to get to Ecuador than Russia? I mean even if it wasnt Snowdens intention, he had to know how that looked
It's still extremely unlikely that votes were tampered with guys. The way electioneering works in the US makes any attempt to do so implausible. The more realistic possibility is registration data was fucked with but it's impossible to know on what scale.
The insidious nature of the Russian interference wasn't that they directly cheated, it's that they were able to sway people into doing their bidding on their own free will.
The insidious nature of the Russian interference wasn't that they directly cheated, it's that they were able to sway people into doing their bidding on their own free will.
Surprisingly reasonable analysis from the National Review. There's clearly a lot more coming.
For the longest time I figured Trump himself was isolated from the collusion with Russia. He was a useful idiot and the actual criminal acts were his campaign staff, Kushner, Tweedledee and Tweedledum, and the various hangers-on around him. But the degree to which WikiLeaks is involved and how frequently Trump himself brings them up in the campaign is just a sign that it is impossible that he didn't know what was going on.
Fresh reminder that they threw Reality Winner under the jail for even suggesting such a thing might be possible. If even one vote was altered, we will not hear about it before the 2020 elections are over and done with.
Multipolarity could very well lead to more world wars.
But yeah, if we were say making countries like Argentina, South Africa and Australia equal powers I could understand. But Russia is one of the worst functioning nation states in the world, imho.
Let's not pretend like huge parts of this statement are in the context of US propaganda that has, for an incredibly long time, been intensely based on justifying US intervention as a war on terrorism with zero basis in reality. Maybe you consider the attacks and wars stemming from that reasonable. I don't and I consider them war crimes. If you agree with me on that point then it is really hard to argue that Russia has (not for lack of trying, certainly) been worse than the US by any measure aside from LGBT, feminist etc progress – I am assuming we're strictly talking about foreign policy here. Now, if by "right now" you mean literally "right now" as in like... this past year? Maybe you're right? But to what end? Many of the conflicts we are seeing now stem directly from recent US intervention. Just because the US may or may not technically backed out doesn't mean they're not involved. Take the Israel/Palestine conflict for crying out loud. There are ongoing crimes against humanity getting a complete pass because the US continually both arms Israel and vetoes any motions within UN councils to hold the Israeli government accountable for anything. I would posit that that conflict alone overshadows anything Russia has done recently and pretending like the US isn't a huge (or indeed the biggest) part of the reason it is happening is incredibly disingenuous, even if it isn't officially being done by the US directly.
But whatever, I'm sure we agree on the larger point of this thread and that is that both the US and Russia should stay the fuck out of terrorizing other countries and that allowing Russia to take over the US and other western countries with extreme right-wing regimes is damaging to everyone and needs to be stopped right now. Whatever the US has been doing since the 90s certainly won't improve under either fascist regimes like the Trump administration or under Russia.
User banned (3 days): off-site sleuthing
Actually, I think it comes from you:
mod edit: don't go playing internet detectives by bringing up stuff from the old site
ad nauseum
And that's before we get into your defense of Russian-proxies like Assad, going so far as trot out the same fabricated talking-points used by Russian trolls farms to defend the use of chemical weapon strikes on civilians.
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Phew, someone brought the receipts out. Bravo.
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Something fucked this timeline up reaaaaaaal good. Even as a parody this would be too on the nose.
Yikes. That...is not a good look. Why such the strong defense of clearly horrible activities by the Russian government?
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Yeah, this chud isn't fooling anyone. It's pretty obvious Mr. West Philly prefers his tyrants of the Slavic variety. The fact that WL and Putin have no compunction with beating on minorities is just a little collateral damage in their search for Utopia
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People in this thread clinging to "who's worse" as if geopolitical reality is manifested based on who's a good guy and who's a bad guy are looking solidly out of their depth.
The US has been demanding its way to friend and enemy alike well before Trump. American interference to support a corporate pillaging of the emerging Russian federation did a lot to create the oligarchs place of power in Russia today. If the US has a problem with Russia acting aggressively within a perceived sphere of influence maybe they should have set a better example over the last 50 years as to limiting aggression.
That isn't to say that it would not be a good thing to have America's current mess sorted out with a hypothetically positive American influence remaining strong into the future, but in the here and now it is straight up disrespectful in my mind to try and equivocate the consequences of America's overseas interventions with the internal repressions of an illiberal state when talking about the international consequences of state action.
The US has been demanding its way to friend and enemy alike well before Trump. American interference to support a corporate pillaging of the emerging Russian federation did a lot to create the oligarchs place of power in Russia today. If the US has a problem with Russia acting aggressively within a perceived sphere of influence maybe they should have set a better example over the last 50 years as to limiting aggression.
That isn't to say that it would not be a good thing to have America's current mess sorted out with a hypothetically positive American influence remaining strong into the future, but in the here and now it is straight up disrespectful in my mind to try and equivocate the consequences of America's overseas interventions with the internal repressions of an illiberal state when talking about the international consequences of state action.
Didn't this indictment talk about several Americans?
This totally seems like a move that would be made by people with nothing to hide. Jesus.
Not really impressive. I don't feel the same way about a lot of that stuff anymore.
My post history is open for all to see.
No, you're being ignorant here. You're talking to a Black man in America. US is just as bad. Period.
I don't need to list war with you. This stuff speaks for itself.
We should let the LGBT community know that they'll be just as well off in Russia as in the US. Better even.
All states work to maximize and exert their power. Its cruel but its the way the system works.
That doesn't mean that the majority of the world isn't better off with the US being the super power instead of Putins Russia.
If you don't think you're better off in the US you should travel more. Your opinion on this can't even smell correct from where it lives.
I knew your username was familiar. What a convenient time to change a mind.
Funny how this chud likes to ignore both Putin and WL total disregard for LGBTQI safety. So much for FreedumbFighter's intersectionality cred
You don't know when I changed my mind.
That's true too. And that's a very real limitation. It's not like I'm saying Russia *has* to be one of the nodes but it's just how the current situation presents itself at the moment (even if it's just militarily for them - they aren't a superpower in my opinion
That's a strawman. My argument is not about where l'd be better off. And frankly, the "go live somewhere else" thing is very uncomforting to hear in the current political climate. I know that's not what you're saying, but just in case you were thinking it. As far as traveling, I'm already on my second passport and the first one needed to have extra pages sown in. Ive been all over the planet (still need to hit Southeast and East Asia). Traveling definitely had an impression on my worldview. And certainly have the stamps to prove it.
We still name-calling I see. Cool. But we never had a convo about sexual minorities though. I'm not ignoring any of that stuff at all, I know how hard LGBTQIA have it many societies. And this is not zero-sum. By pointing out US shortfalls, I'm not saying the others are better. In fact, the discussion went the other way with KHarvey and Kirblar saying the US wasn't as bad and me disagreeing with a list of my own. I explained my position on this.
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I think the election was surely hacked and altered, but releasing that info would be too massive for people to comprehend and the ramifications of it would be incredibly damaging.
I still remember Diane Feinstein and co looking completely shocked and freaked out after her briefing on the election hacking matters.
Fake news! They could have just been celebrating, like every real American, because they knew all those fake colored Americans and immigrants were about to get some sweet, sweet American deportation justice!
After the family separations, supreme court pick, and assaults on NATO i really needed this.
Well if you think the US and Russia are on the same level with regards to how they treat people you either didn't spend much or any time there or didn't pay enough attention. It's an objective fact what you're saying makes no sense. Putin is worse than even Trump, never mind a normal president. The comparison to how the two countries are run couldn't be more stark.
Have you ever listened to someone like Gary Kasparov? You go look and see if he thinks the US and Russia are on equal footing here.
And again, you can't even name Russia as you try to Both Sides the issue at hand. You've been exposed. Sad!
They are like a group of cockroaches blinded by sudden light.
No, I just think we have different experiences, and thus, have different perspectives on the matter.
Uhm, not sure what you're on about here but ok.
Can we get back to indictments now? Because that's kind of the topic here, with all this distraction taking away from the fact that Guccifer 2.0 and Wikileaks are now literally on the table.
What is actually a lot more amusing in this context is that Drumpf must have been briefed before going to the UK, where these links relate to the Brexit fallout as well. No wonder he suddenly 'wanted' a hard Brexit, like a good little puppet.
Man, fiction writers on political shows are going to have a hard time topping this timeline.
What is actually a lot more amusing in this context is that Drumpf must have been briefed before going to the UK, where these links relate to the Brexit fallout as well. No wonder he suddenly 'wanted' a hard Brexit, like a good little puppet.
Man, fiction writers on political shows are going to have a hard time topping this timeline.
That's not how it works haha.
The US has serious issues, but if you think Russia and the US are remotely comparable then you're just clueless about facts. Your perspective is irrelevant.