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The backlash is not what prompted the firing. The backlash is what prompted the ridiculous response from ArenaNet. Price's behavior is what got her fired, not the backlash.

The backlash is what lead to the rapid response that resulted in the firing. Had they not felt the pressure from the backlash (including the hate mob) there would have been no reason to immediately terminate both Price and Fries. There was no urgent need for it to happen like this.

This is where the labor rights elements come into play. Had there been some union structure they wouldn't be able to be fired on the spot for a single transgression, over a holiday.
 

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Maybe I'm missing context, as I read all tweets involved, and I am failing to see why the fans posts are being labeled as patronizing or rude?

I don't understand how you could be more polite when offering thoughts on something. He thanked her, thought it was an interesting thread? I mean what? Is this just false pretenses? Are we reading into everything that far where every tweet actually has double meaning.

She was incredibly rude with him for no reason at all. It's like posting things on here and saying "Dont @ me". I mean, why post on a public place if you are looking for a response? If you don't like what he has to say or his thoughts, simply ignore it. I understand that everyone has bad days, me included and I can have a tendency to snap when things are going extra poorly that day, so that is understandable and she absolutely should not be fired for something like this. BUT! To paint her as some innocent angel, I don't get it - what she said wasn't right at all.
There are these same four or five people in this topic who keep insisting that Deroir was condescending/mansplaining/passive-aggressive and I would just ignore them if I were you
 
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The backlash is what lead to the rapid response that resulted in the firing. Had they not felt the pressure from the backlash (including the hate mob) there would have been no reason to immediately terminate both Price and Fries. There was no urgent need for it to happen like this.

This is where the labor rights elements come into play. Had there been some union structure they wouldn't be able to be fired on the spot for a single transgression, over a holiday.
spot on
 

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Well said.

Also I'm sure this has been posted before, but this was kind of amusing as well:



I see what you and others are suggesting with that, but truth be told no one is really playing the free speech card here as most of this side does understand what freedom of speech is. The arguments going on here for page after page are more around whether she said anything wrong/what Deroir is guilty of and why ANet may have chosen to act. Then there is some chiming in on HR/employment. As I said, not really anyone talking about free speech.
 

Vire

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There are these same four or five people in this topic who keep insisting that Deroir was condescending/mansplaining/passive-aggressive and I would just ignore them if I were you
I hear ya, I actually came to the thread though because of the way the Giant Beastcast spoke of it as condescending, passive aggressive, etc etc. After taking a look for myself at what went down, I'm actually surprised by their categorization.
 

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The backlash is what lead to the rapid response that resulted in the firing. Had they not felt the pressure from the backlash (including the hate mob) there would have been no reason to immediately terminate both Price and Fries. There was no urgent need for it to happen like this.

This is where the labor rights elements come into play. Had there been some union structure they wouldn't be able to be fired on the spot for a single transgression, over a holiday.

That's fair to say. The timeframe in which it happened could definitely be attributed to the backlash. My problem is saying that the firing happened because of it.

Ideally this thread would have been focused on the labor rights aspect, but people really want to pour over conspiracy theories and present their own narratives as fact.
 

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After looking through her history on Twitter, her recent behavior doesn't surprise me in the least.

She had this to say about TotalBiscuit's, shortly after his passing.


I may not have always agreed with TotalBiscuit, but I would never even think about posting something so insensitive on social media, especially at a moment when others, including his wife are grieving.

I have zero sympathy for her regarding her firing.

It wasn't insensitive. Endorsing Gamergate is insensitive.
 
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Oh for sure it was, If no one saw it, they wouldn't have to fire her. But hey someone did, like you know in any other job, if a client complained with evidence they'd be fired.

Not necessarily. We've heard from several people in positions (Austin from Waypoint, Jeff and Vinny at Giant Bomb) that have said more than likely they'd pull the employee aside and have a discussion about it.

Because we're living in a world in the US where you don't have any rights as an employee and can be immediately fired for anything at any time.
 

Vire

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Not necessarily. We've heard from several people in positions (Austin from Waypoint, Jeff and Vinny at Giant Bomb) that have said more than likely they'd pull the employee aside and have a discussion about it.

Because we're living in a world in the US where you don't have any rights as an employee and can be immediately fired for anything at any time.
That's in a pretty relaxed business environment though. I can tell you for certain that if I called one of my clients a "rando asshat" even if it was on a personal account. I would be terminated immediately.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Oh for sure it was, If no one saw it, they wouldn't have to fire her. But hey someone did, like you know in any other job, if a client complained with evidence they'd be fired.

I'd say a reprimand is more appropriate given the way that Price had already been behaving on Twitter. According to Price there wasn't any real discussion between her and her employer about hard lines in the sand regarding what gets her instantly fired vs. any of the other disciplinary actions a company normally takes.

That's in a pretty relaxed business environment though. I can tell you for certain that if I called one of my clients a "rando asshat" even if it was on a personal account. I would be terminated immediately.

But that's clearly not the environment she was in, because she'd posted plenty of inflammatory posts on Twitter prior to this one that hadn't got her fired. ArenaNet's policy, if they even had one, was vague.
 

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I'd say a reprimand is more appropriate given the way that Price had been behaving on Twitter. According to Price there wasn't any real discussion between her and her employer about hard lines in the sand regarding what gets her instantly fired vs. any of the other disciplinary actions a company normally takes.

The problem is that we dont know if it was the first time she's ever been problematic or if it was the last straw. I'm sure those guys would react differently if this was the 5th time that person has to be pulled aside for something as opposed to the first.

We know so little of the contest that I dont think it's necessarily fair we assume that this happened in a vacuum

It wasn't insensitive. Endorsing Gamergate is insensitive.

They both are in my opinion.
 
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That's in a pretty relaxed business environment though. I can tell you for certain that if I called one of my clients a "rando asshat" even if it was on a personal account. I would be terminated immediately.

Well, first - she didn't call a *client* anything. She didn't even call the dude in question that - she made a broad claim about "rando-asshats" coming into he mentions telling her how to do her job. It's not a particularly polite way to say it - but to say she was directly calling someone something is an inaccurate read on the situation.

Not to mention that yes, this was not in a professional setting. This was her own personal Twitter account, and the company in question has no clearly defined social media policy, AND have been well aware of her usage of social media. If they had an issue they could have had the discussion. They COULD have had the discussion with Fries as well, but they didn't. They reacted to pressure - not the actual events themselves as evidence of Fries firing as well.

It's not like she went out on Twitter saying something like "The GW2 community is a bunch of fucks"
 

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I'd say a reprimand is more appropriate given the way that Price had already been behaving on Twitter. According to Price there wasn't any real discussion between her and her employer about hard lines in the sand regarding what gets her instantly fired vs. any of the other disciplinary actions a company normally takes.

But that's clearly not the environment she was in, because she'd posted plenty of inflammatory posts on Twitter prior to this one that hadn't got her fired. ArenaNet's policy, if they even had one, was vague.

Common sense would say that you shouldn't openly insult prominent community members, especially with the "pretend to like you" comment. ArenaNet probably wants their playerbase to think that they legitimately like them. I honestly wonder if she would have been fired if she came back the next day and apologized for lashing out. Doubling down like she has been is just baffling to me. I don't understand how she hopes to get another job like this.
 

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Publicly celebrating when a young person dies from cancer and leaves behind a widow and child isn't insensitive?
Margaret Thatcher had a spouse and kids, so did Reagan

Saying you're glad a person can't do harm isn't celebrating a death so much as celebrating relief for victims. Although certainly some people held parades for Thatcher's death.
 

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there is a narrative spreading that the alt-right only found out about her comments after the announcement of her being fired, and as such cannot have participated in any harassment against her

according to this narrative, the outrage against her was only building in the guild wars communities on reddit and official forums. the alt-right didn't get involved until after she was fired

this is false

below is a screenshots from /pol/ when they first started discussing the tweet. look at the time stamps. keep in mind that the time stamps are for my time zone which is 6 hours ahead of EST

the alt-right was aware of this controversy already on july 4, US time, over 18 hours before she was fired. as such, i have no doubt that they helped stoke the fires in the guild war communities and contributed to the campaigns demanding her being fired
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/pol/ was aware of her comments, so of course she was being harassed. stop spreading false narratives

So that would be on July 4th, 9 PM. Here's what Mike O'Brien has to say about the timeline:

"The tweets were made on July 4, when the studio was closed for the holiday. We were aware of them that day, and decided we'd need to take action in the morning. The fact that the community's anger was escalating on July 5 could make it look like our action was a response to the community's anger. But that wasn't the case. We took action as soon as we practicably could."

So they made the decision to "take action" before the hate mob could form and do anything. This whole detective work is a bit silly tbh.
 

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It's absolutely insensitive.



Okay, but it honestly is irrelevant to this topic. She wasn't fired over it, so the only thing it adds to this pile is some evidence ANet will allow employees a pretty free capability to express things on Twitter. More so than EA/Bioware, although as I said, IIRC whoever they canned said something more inflammatory about TB dying.
 

Vire

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Well, first - she didn't call a *client* anything. She didn't even call the dude in question that - she made a broad claim about "rando-asshats" coming into he mentions telling her how to do her job. It's not a particularly polite way to say it - but to say she was directly calling someone something is an inaccurate read on the situation.

Not to mention that yes, this was not in a professional setting. This was her own personal Twitter account, and the company in question has no clearly defined social media policy, AND have been well aware of her usage of social media. If they had an issue they could have had the discussion. They COULD have had the discussion with Fries as well, but they didn't. They reacted to pressure - not the actual events themselves as evidence of Fries firing as well.

It's not like she went out on Twitter saying something like "The GW2 community is a bunch of fucks"
I mean when a member of your community tries to politely have a discourse with someone they seemingly idolize and value their opinion and then the person responds back with fuck off? Why would you want someone like that on your team.

There are hundreds if not thousands of talented individuals waiting in the wings to get their chance at something as great as that job. You are expendable, that is the lesson to be learned.
 

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Who the fuck are you to make such bold declarations? Get out of here with this noise.

How about we actually care about the circumstances of individual situations instead of looking at everything in some black and white grand crusade where the lines are clearly divided in the sand between Good and Bad.

This "you're either with us or against us" shit from some of you is getting insane.

how your incessant desire to shit on women in games throughout this thread and elsewhere is acceptable for this community I have no idea

Yeah and it's not like we've seen her mirepresent a situation or anything in recent memory. She certainly doesn't have an axe to grind either.

this victim blaming bullshit is out of control in this thread. What an absolutely terrible display of ResetEra.
 
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I mean when a member of your community tries to politely have a discourse with someone they seemingly idolize and value their opinion and then the person responds back with fuck off? Why would you want someone like that on your team.

There are hundreds if not thousands of talented individuals waiting in the wings to get their chance at something as great as that job. You are expendable, that is the lesson to be learned.

Enter: Labor rights. Not everyone accepts the concept that employees should be expendable. Regardless if they actually are or not. I accept that this is the reality of this country - but I also do not accept that it SHOULD or ALWAYS SHOULD be the case. If an employee fucks up the decision to fire them should not be something that can happen over the course of less then a day on a holiday.

Ostensibly she was very good at her job. Whether or not she is a nice person on social media shouldn't always be relevant.
 

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Holy shit I cannot BELIEVE we're still acting like Gamergate is still relevant. Who the fuck even participated in that? So a journalist banged a dude for good reviews. So what???? It was four years ago! Now anytime people get mad about something- it's a 'hate movement' or a 'hate group.' Who the fuck is this hate group? Where are they?
 

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I can tell you for certain that if I called one of my clients a "rando asshat" even if it was on a personal account. I would be terminated immediately.

One thing I haven't mentioned in this thread yet is that the complexity around this scenario stems from it being a problem unique to the entertainment industry. In most customer-facing industries, there is a clear barrier between an on-the-clock employee and someone who is not working or representing their customer. If you had an experience at Walmart and wanted to talk to someone at the company about it, it would be viewed as very strange if you went on Twitter, sought out a random employee, and tweeted your concerns at them. I don't know what industry you work in, but I would guess it's unlikely you'd ever even be communicating with a client on your personal social media account in the first place. The opportunity to call them a "rando asshat" would never present itself.

But there's an unusual difference within the entertainment media. For whatever reason, people working in film, television, and video games are considered minor celebrities (or major celebrities) and as a result, they're always on the clock. You can send them messages at any time of day, regarding their work, and they might respond. In many ways, this is cool. But it's also uncool in other ways. We as a culture have yet to figure out the standard operating procedure for these sorts of things. This is why the IGDA recommendations instruct game developers to specifically come up with guidelines for how employees should present themselves on social media, whether or not they need to accept unsolicited questions, how they should respond, and what they should do if they feel annoyed or harassed.
 
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The insensitivity of being happy for the relief of victims of Gamergate hate and harassment is outweighed by the insensitivity of endorsing and propogating that hate and harassment.

TotalBiscuit jumped out of the gamergate wagon pretty soon and condemned it's actions afterwards. So yeah, she was absolutely an asshole for that specific situation. There's no two ways about it. Also, comparing TotalBiscuit to Thatcher or Reagan is an extremely dishonest thing to do.

Not that it has anything to do with this thread.
 
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So that would be on July 4th, 9 PM. Here's what Mike O'Brien has to say about the timeline:

"The tweets were made on July 4, when the studio was closed for the holiday. We were aware of them that day, and decided we'd need to take action in the morning. The fact that the community's anger was escalating on July 5 could make it look like our action was a response to the community's anger. But that wasn't the case. We took action as soon as we practicably could."

So they made the decision to "take action" before the hate mob could form and do anything. This whole detective work is a bit silly tbh.
if you accept his comments as truth

given that the company refuses to comment on and condemn ongoing harassment, i'm not going take his timeline and words about not being bothered by community backlash at face value.
 
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Holy shit I cannot BELIEVE we're still acting like Gamergate is still relevant. Who the fuck even participated in that? So a journalist banged a dude for good reviews. So what???? It was four years ago! Now anytime people get mad about something- it's a 'hate movement' or a 'hate group.' Who the fuck is this hate group? Where are they?

...seriously?
 
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The insensitivity of being happy for the relief of victims of Gamergate hate and harassment is outweighed by the insensitivity of endorsing and propogating that hate and harassment.

That isn't an objective answer. This isn't a binary thing.

And she was certainly happy for more than just the victims or she wouldn't have said "the kindest thing I can say". At that point, you stay silent. Do you think the Bioware guy that went IN on TB shouldn't have been fired for it?
 

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Enter: Labor rights. Not everyone accepts the concept that employees should be expendable. Regardless if they actually are or not. I accept that this is the reality of this country - but I also do not accept that it SHOULD or ALWAYS SHOULD be the case. If an employee fucks up the decision to fire them should not be something that can happen over the course of less then a day on a holiday.

Ostensibly she was very good at her job. Whether or not she is a nice person on social media shouldn't always be relevant.

If it's a job that is customer facing and has a large input/community built around it like an MMO does, that can be quite a crucial element in employer satisfaction towards employees. If you're not locked in a cupboard with no access to the internet in work, how you conduct yourself whilst representing the company is like the lube that causes the brand to slowly roll into a juggernaut.

The companies that routinely get the best feedback, most community love and praise and keep on the up and up ALWAYS have good mouthpieces talking to the consumers/gamers and making them feel respected/trusted/loved. Even if they sometimes say things that grate on your gears or constantly ask you "Where is Half Life 3?". Although we won't bring up Valve's decline in this topic >_>

Whether she was nice or not on the internet was relevant in so far as long as she didn't step on her employers/communities toes they were pretty liberal. I'm sure some Trump voting GW fans raged at her, but they would be told tough. Once you find yourself unfairly attacking the community that feeds you and your fellow employees, the liberal stance takes a turn into you're damaging our brand and attacked someone on our side for no good reason? Why?
 
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The problem is that we dont know if it was the first time she's ever been problematic or if it was the last straw. I'm sure those guys would react differently if this was the 5th time that person has to be pulled aside for something as opposed to the first.

We know so little of the contest that I dont think it's necessarily fair we assume that this happened in a vacuum

According to Price she hadn't been reprimanded for this before.

"I was told during my interview and subsequent hiring communications that ArenaNet respected my willingness to speak up on issues in the industry and had no desire to muzzle me," she said. "I had, in my time there, zero warnings about my social media use. Everything I said on Twitter was consistent with what I've been saying for years and how I've been saying it."

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/9/17549492/arenanet-jessica-price-guild-wars-2-writer-fired
 

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Incidents wouldn't necessarily have to be related to social media. Maybe she was tough to work with. Maybe she had behavior issues or wasnt a good fit.

I dont know the answer to any of these things, but I'm still not too comfortable just accepting what she says. It's one side of the story and given her Twitter thread yesterday, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she was doing at least a little spinning.
 

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I don't see the big deal here. I've seen dozens of articles of corporate firings due to image damage control. It's bs but this arena shit ain't out the ordinary. A server got fired from my old restaurant job for posting a rant about a customer who treated her like trash. It sucks but "the community/customers are always right" is a general stance these companies take. This is wrong, but not surprising and shouldn't have this much conversation unless people really have been living under a rock for the last 30 years.
 
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It a job that is customer facing and has a large input/community built around it like an MMO does, that can be quite a crucial element in employer satisfaction towards employees. If you're not locked in a cupboard with no access to the internet, how you conduct yourself whilst representing the company is like the lube that causes the brand to slowly roll into a juggernaut.

The companies that routinely get the best feedback, most community love and praise and keep on the up and up ALWAYS have good mouthpieces talking to the consumers/gamers and making them feel respected/trusted/loved.

Keep in mind something - I've never said she shouldn't have been fired. I don't think she should have been terminated in the way it happened. I don't think she should have been thrown under the bus and vilified by the CEO of the company so the hate mob can harass her for ages to come. I don't think Fries should have been fired at all.

I do think who ever she reports to should have had a discussion with her to set a very clear expectation about her social media usage. This seems a bare-minimum for a good management style. If at that point they couldn't come to an agreement they could have decided what to do.

Customer facing roles do not change how I feel about labor rights.
 

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Keep in mind something - I've never said she shouldn't have been fired. I don't think she should have been terminated in the way it happened. I don't think she should have been thrown under the bus and vilified by the CEO of the company so the hate mob can harass her for ages to come. I don't think Fries should have been fired at all.

I do think who ever she reports to should have had a discussion with her to set a very clear expectation about her social media usage. This seems a bare-minimum for a good management style. If at that point they couldn't come to an agreement they could have decided what to do.

Customer facing roles do not change how I feel about labor rights.
I agree with all of this.

how your incessant desire to shit on women in games throughout this thread and elsewhere is acceptable for this community I have no idea

You're gonna have to provide some receipts for this because that's not at all what he's been doing, and the people who have have all been banned, and rightfully so. Like our "haha how is gamergate real" friend above.
 

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Keep in mind something - I've never said she shouldn't have been fired. I don't think she should have been terminated in the way it happened. I don't think she should have been thrown under the bus and vilified by the CEO of the company so the hate mob can harass her for ages to come. I don't think Fries should have been fired at all.

I do think who ever she reports to should have had a discussion with her to set a very clear expectation about her social media usage. This seems a bare-minimum for a good management style. If at that point they couldn't come to an agreement they could have decided what to do.

Customer facing roles do not change how I feel about labor rights.

I'm not quite sure how she was vilified by the CEO? This is a pretty factual statement

Jessica had identified herself as an ArenaNet employee on Reddit and Twitter, had been discussing Episode 3 storytelling with fans on Reddit, then had written a 25-part tweet about how we tell stories in MMOs, relating it back to Episode 3. She was representing the company. The expectation was to behave professionally and respectfully, or at least walk away. Instead, she attacked.

Concerns have been publicly raised that she was responding to harassment. It's not my place to tell employees when they should or shouldn't feel harassed. In this case, however, our employees could have chosen not to engage, and they could have brought the issue to the company, whereby we would have done everything we could to protect them.

We won't tolerate harassment. When an employee feels harassed, we want them to bring the issue to us, so that we can protect the employee, deal with the issue, and use it to speak to the larger issue of harassment.

Whatever Jessica and Peter felt internally about the situation, this was objectively a customer engaging us respectfully and professionally, presenting a suggestion for our game. Any response from our company needed to be respectful and professional. A perceived slight doesn't give us license to attack.

We've all dedicated our careers to entertaining people, to making games for the purpose of delighting those who play them. We generally have a wonderful relationship with our community, and that's a point of pride for us. We want to hear from our players. It's not acceptable that an attempted interaction with our company — in this case a polite game suggestion — would be met with open hostility and derision from us. That sets a chilling precedent.

The tweets were made on July 4, when the studio was closed for the holiday. We were aware of them that day, and decided we'd need to take action in the morning. The fact that the community's anger was escalating on July 5 could make it look like our action was a response to the community's anger. But that wasn't the case. We took action as soon as we practicably could.

I hate to let an employee go, and I wish the best for Jessica and Peter, as for any former employee, in whatever they choose to do next.

Whatever you thought of the tweets, Jessica and Peter were also part of the team that brought you the kidnapping scene in Episode 1, which was a wonderfully well-executed scene. That's how I want to remember their time at ArenaNet.

It speaks fact, condemns any harassment and goes on to finish by wishing them well.

Yeah okay, a bit corporate, but vilify? How so?

Unless you mean the fact she was fired is itself vilification and okay, I accept you taking that stance. I can't speak for everything that went on in any meeting between staff and management, all I have is after-firing stances taken by both and Fries hasn't commented from what I can see and Jessica seems to be sticking to she didn't do anything wrong/underserved.

If your employee doesn't think they did anything wrong and won't accept not going after customers again in the future without just cause, how would that leave an employer with confidence?
 

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As a Customer Service instructor, I refer to the Nordstrom's Employee Handbook, which comprises of a single statement:

Use good judgment in all situations

The person that got fired simply did not use good judgement. And anonymous employees that are now unsure about what they should or shouldn't do would do well to exercise some commonsense.

I hope that all parties learn from this situation, and prosper in their respective fields.
 
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Incidents wouldn't necessarily have to be related to social media. Maybe she was tough to work with. Maybe she had behavior issues or wasnt a good fit.

I dont know the answer to any of these things, but I'm still not too comfortable just accepting what she says. It's one side of the story and given her Twitter thread yesterday, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she was doing at least a little spinning.

At the same time I wouldn't be so quick to say she's lying or spinning or what have you.

I'm specifically looking at ArenaNet's actions. Unless we can surmise that Peter Fries was ALSO "tough to work with", "had behavioral issues", "wasn't a good fit", the more logical conclusion from my perspective is that ArenaNet didn't have a clear policy on social media and instantly jumped onto firing them both. That's problematic for a wide variety of reasons.
 
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Just heard about this on the beastcast and its the weirdest thing how it snowballed, I guess this is why some companies dont let their employees talk about work on their personal twitter accounts outside of top ranking people and even then some of it gets checked by PR first IIRC
 

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At the same time I wouldn't be so quick to say she's lying or spinning or what have you.

I'm specifically looking at ArenaNet's actions. Unless we can surmise that Peter Fries was ALSO "tough to work with", "had behavioral issues", "wasn't a good fit", the more logical conclusion from my perspective is that ArenaNet didn't have a clear policy on social media and instantly jumped onto firing them both.

Do you think that "Don't attack our game's community and business on social media accounts" is a rule that needs to be written down before anyone would know that they could be fired for it?
 

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on their forums he accused them of attacking the very guild wars community:

To suggest the community that supports them and uses/pays into their product cannot engage without strict consent and cannot offer their views or opinions without mansplaining can be construed as a bit of a slight towards the community. As I said a few posts up, if you want to grow a successful community around something like an MMO you have to be willing to appear to care, respect and enjoy the communities interaction. Even when they might be complaining or arguing about game content.

Or you need to at least pretend in public you like the community.

And yes, I'm talking about people in the community who talk to you like normal human beings.
 
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Do you think that "Don't attack our game's community and business on social media accounts" is a rule that needs to be written down before anyone would know that they could be fired for it?

Yes, because as several industry people have said when chiming in about this, what they could have done would be to pull them aside and talk to them about it, or reprimand them internally. There are two states other than "fired" or "not fired".

This is why you have a policy with rules. When you fuck up, what happens?