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Henry Cavill: Hesitant to date in fear of being called a rapist
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Your experience could not be more different from what Cavill's talking about. There's like zero similarity.
Yes. Some people might get a laugh out of it,. They sure as shit aren't going to learn anything on page 26 they couldn't have learned on page 5. It is literally the same poor "but what about the menz?" arguments made over and over again and I've lost all patience with pretending there is anything else to be said. But fine, if people want to keep arguing with the troglodytes I'll get out of the way.
Cleaning out the forum is infinitely more valuable than any low effort off topic joke. And hopefully someone learned something from the arguments people framed. There's actually been a lot of great posts from various members (those calling out the "what about powerful men" bullshit).
Now you know good and well what Cavil was talking about (constantly chasing after women in ways that make them uncomfortable in hopes of wearing them down, "old school" chasing and not taking no for an answer) have absolutely nothing to fuckin do with what your'e talking about (being falsely accused or misinterpreted in the workplace).
And no, your 2 (actually just 1) bad experience with a co-worker in the what, decade you've been working certainly shouldn't determine how you interact with everyone that came after in all the days that came after. That'd be fucking ridiculous. You're out here walking around petrified of other people for no real reason at all. Your story is like being afraid to fly in a plane because that one time when you were little you hit some hard turbulence. Sure there's a chance things might go wrong, but it's more likely you'll be struck by lightning a couple of times than you go down in a plane crash or be falsely accused of sexual assault. That's really the point and maybe the only similarity: that you and Cavil are acting like you're victims in advance. Chill the fuck out and act like a normal person to other people and you'll be fine.
Oh, I don't mean to put down the counter arguments. You're right, there have been a lot of great posts. I posted the joke because there have so many great posts, that anyone who hasn't been convinced by them already isn't going to be convinced now, so why not add something different? Clearly you and the other poster disagree, and despite appearances I don't actually want to shit up the thread if people are still finding value in it so I'll quiet down.
Absolutely. We are discussing behaviors that need to be adjusted in society and someone as childish, contradictory and cynical as her has no place in such a discussion as she makes any rational reader wary of her choice of words.
But outside of that, Aziz' conduct was unacceptable, and a better discussion was had after cleaning up her mess.
Cavill's comments here were just unfortunate.
It's really dangerous to conflate the contexts. I've seen people do it a lot in this thread
not to be too salty but I made the same joke a thousand posts ago :PWhat happens? I'm dying to hear about all these falsely accused powerful men who have become poor and destitute from false accusations. Who are they?
I never noticed any of your posts before yesterday when you were defending me in the Arenanet thread (thanks btw) but now you're one of my favorites.
PhazonBlonde is good people though. I agree
Usually the only way to prove a false accusation is if the accuser admits to lying, which is the rarest of circumstances. A number of celebrities, usually athletes, have been punished or had their reputations tarnished over stories that are up in the air or sometimes don't add up.
In Cavill's case, reputation is everything. Superman in particular is an easy job to lose since whoever plays him has to have a pretty squeaky clean image, even more so with Henry not being the biggest star as it is. For instance, I don't know if he could've survived Ben's groping allegations.
It's only wise of him to be more cautious than the average person. He'll probably just end up dating other celebrities now, especially after this story hit mainstream.
Someone gives their heart felt experience and your response is to belittle him and tell him to chill the fuck out and move on like nothing happend? Things that happen to people stick with them. Doesn't mean he's walking around in constant paranoia of women. Christ.
awww thanks! :) I know how you felt in the arenanet thread, just look at this one and the dumpster fire it turned into lolWhat happens? I'm dying to hear about all these falsely accused powerful men who have become poor and destitute from false accusations. Who are they?
I never noticed any of your posts before yesterday when you were defending me in the Arenanet thread (thanks btw) but now you're one of my favorites.
You did and it was amazing! I mean it's pretty relevant not only to Cavill but some of the dudes in this thread.
Like "Yeah I get no means no.... but MAAAAYBEEE.....one time it'll mean yes! Girls play hard to get you know!"
Except he was chill and normal and if it weren't for witnesses who knows what might've happened.
We shouldn't discourage or mock people from sharing their personal stories.
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Well, this thread is a whole day old. Happy birthday everyone. Maybe we'll all take away something from this shitshow. I certainly learned I didn't buy enough fucking Scotch to read some of these posts.
What a treat.
What a treat.
I don't recognize you (aside from very recently), but I will say that your posts have been on point and I appreciate them in the various threads I visit.
Ummm... so was her account true or not? I'm not able to understand how her comments toward a journalist impact that.
Aw thank you :) Yeah i've been around just the last few months, lurked before that from time to time. I also appreciate your posts, especially in the Star Wars threads.
So female celebrities won't report rape or creepy behavior? Have you been under a rock the last couple years?
Most important, there is a differentiation of power here.
A working class black man, if accused by a white woman, has some danger to fear of losing his job and having his livelihood legitimately damaged by a false accusation, especially if it goes to the point of prosecution.
A famous, well regarded, wealthy white actor can be accused by a woman and it will stir the rumor mill a little bit, but unless hard proof emerges, it will likely not affect his life in the least bit. The literal worst case scenerio of a false accusation made is that its not something he can disprove and some doubt might follow him around, but realistically, there's little chance that it'll affect the work he gets or the personal relationships he might have.
Aside from all other points of comparison, the core issue of false accusations is that it preys on the underprivileged's inability to adequately defend themselves against the falsehood. Cavill will basically never have this problem just from the wealth and fame he has. The only case where this fails to protect him is when enough women accuse him to such an extent that it's improbable that they're all lying.
Female celebrities have just as much to lose as their male counterparts. They're not likely to share or embellish every last detail of an encounter with Henry Cavill as the average person might. Not unless he truly did something offensive in that they're willing to put their own name on the line.
Before anyone takes that the wrong way, this goes for both sexes. If a female celeb approaches random dude or wrongs him in the slightest way, there's a pretty good chance he's going to tell everyone about it. Maybe make a lot of shit up too about how thirsty she was.
I'm not saying it happened, I said "it could happen", and i'm Just trying to say what, in my opinion, Cavill tried to say...
Are you trying to deny that in today's society people don't jump the gun on this kind of subject?
Are you really saying that today a person, a famous one, is innocent until proven guilty?
You know the backlash he could face just for a rumor? It's a really big damage for his image, so I repeat, I can see why he thinks like that.
It would really help your case if you actually had examples of it happening. Anything else is scare tactics designed to reinforce the status quo.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11828634
Just a quick google search and this popped up...
I mean, the guy here is not famous, but I think it's
pretty clear what I mean and what i'm Trying to say.
If you read more in my words it sounds like a you problem or maybe my English it's not as good as I thought
Cavill worded it very poorly, but try to think about the internet culture nowadays and how just an allegation could ruin his career. We live in a society where you're guilty until proven innocent, not viceversa how it's supposed to be.
And you see it about everything, not only about rape allegations, it's about everything a famous person could have done or not.
I legitimately don't get how people here can't see how easy this is to understand. When you're a dude of his status quo, any attention you get and decide to reciprocate can be taken in the wrong way depending on how someone feels that day. We live in a time where all you have to do to fuck up someones career is to accuse them of doing something then watch the internet react before there's any fact checking invovled, and those first reactions tend to be what a majority of people hear/see/care about. And even if people do come back around to hear that it was all made up, by then the damage has already been done.
I feel like up until very recently, the only major difference between era and gaf is just the name of the sites. And the fact that you can get in trouble for even mentioning that is pretty weird.
People do understand that. We're not missing the implications that he's scared of false accusations. But the takeaway from the #MeToo movement shouldn't be that women are out to punish men for things that they haven't done, but that women were forced to go through twitter to show the world what they've been going through. The takeaway should be the massive levels of abuse that women have been facing over the years with absolutely no way to get any justice for it, or do anything about it. And in the context of this movement, where consent is regularly ignored and people take things too far, talking about the thrill of the chase does come off a little weird.
False accusations do happen, and its absolutely terrible that someone would lie about something like that, but women aren't these monsters that are constantly looking for ways to hurt you. They're so incredibly rare compared to the level of sexual assault going on in the world, and we just want for sexual assault to stop happening, and for people who do commit something that awful to actually be able to face punishment for it. The #MeToo movement was not created as a way to slander people unjustly, and the vast majority of people who have been accused have not had anything really happen to them.
User Banned (1 Week): Trolling with whataboutism and false narrative, after coming back from a ban in the same thread for the same thing.
This thread turned into a shit show. I still don't understand other than the use of the word rapist how different Cavill's comments about how people's actions can be perceived differently when compared to feminist favourite Justin Trudeau who unlike Cavill was accused of groping:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...hind-groping-claim-canada-2000-music-festival
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...hind-groping-claim-canada-2000-music-festival
Women talking about sexual harassment and "nice guy" behavior has got to feel as infuriating as when black people try to talk about systemic and institutional racism. It's fucking maddening.
This thread makes me want to bash my head into mush.
It's not that hard to grasp what the women in this thread are saying, but the "whataboutism" police never fail to show up, flashing their badges and regaling is with false equivalences and assertions that they "totes get" what the women are saying, but what about this minute chance that the accusations are false, and how the rich celebrity will have their life ruined by it. Because, you know, women are so shady and untrustworthy. :/
Amazing. The lack of self awareness and ability to empathize with women is astonishing. Women and minorities continue to never get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to these things. We're not a monolith. Why does that constantly need to be reiterated in every thread about sexual assault, rape, racism, etc?
This thread makes me want to bash my head into mush.
It's not that hard to grasp what the women in this thread are saying, but the "whataboutism" police never fail to show up, flashing their badges and regaling is with false equivalences and assertions that they "totes get" what the women are saying, but what about this minute chance that the accusations are false, and how the rich celebrity will have their life ruined by it. Because, you know, women are so shady and untrustworthy. :/
Amazing. The lack of self awareness and ability to empathize with women is astonishing. Women and minorities continue to never get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to these things. We're not a monolith. Why does that constantly need to be reiterated in every thread about sexual assault, rape, racism, etc?
Thread from former game dev and goobergator weighs in. Wish more of these fucking creeps would quit.
Terry Crews continues to be a wonderful person
I know you're banned, but this has nothing to do with the DCEU. You have no obligation to defend Cavill here.
Why can't Terry Crews be Superman?
What a fucking baby, Jesus. "We quit", if only it were that simple.
Terry gets it. Let's listen to Terry
the fun part is that this kind of idiots think they'll be missed...
So the fragile man take is that if a glorious alpha like Henry Cavill can't navigate dating without being "called a rapist", there's no hope for them?
Basically. That and #MeToo has made it so dangerous for men to date women that they now need witnesses present and signed forms before proceeding. Cuz y'know, there's plenty of us shady lying women about just fucking ITCHING to ruin Cavills career (or what's left of it after Justice League).
If any man feels threatened by #MeToo they clearly lack any empathy for what women go through on a daily basis.
Also there are so many posters vastly underestimating the power a rich white male celebrity like Cavill has. It took YEARS and multiple raped women to bring people like Cosby and Weinstein into the light. And here people are acting like all it takes is just one evil bitch out to get poor supes. Like a.) this guy likely has women just throwing themselves at him most the time, and he's got the balls to complain about the ones who aren't. And b.) Dude has so much money to afford lawyers and so much societal power. How do men not realize how hard it is for a woman to come forward about rape and sex assault when such a powerful man is the rapist? Oh that's right... because they can't empathize with women.
I've dated on and off for a long time. I've had zero problems making first movies. I've also had women make first moves on me.
I've never once thought about dating with a new interpretation, post me too.
If you're open, communicative and respectful, you'll have no problems with approaching women.
And in Cavill's case, I don't see any other movie stars making similar comments, at least not from ones who didn't turn out to be creeps.
Pretty sure any high profile actor out there has some type of paranoia. Just look at all the "relationship contracts" we've heard about in the past. What was dumb was his rapist comment. Metoo has never been about men with a weak flirting game. You can still chase a woman/man today, just don't get to the creepy "hey u there, "why u not responding??" territory and you'll be fine.
With that said anyone who actually believes he fears dating woman because of metoo or that he even has dating issues in general is wacky.
With that said anyone who actually believes he fears dating woman because of metoo or that he even has dating issues in general is wacky.
They're not misinterpretating you. Is it so hard to say "I was wrong" instead of making a PR heavy attempt to rewrite what you said, Henry?