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Chettlar

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I guess I would ask for quotes on this if I cared more. I guess I won't apologize without them but don't care so much.

The problem is that the reason he made the thread was obvious. That's why it backfired.

Like I said, I you aren't good enough at writing to hide your beef, acknowledge it or don't do it. OP wasn't. It was obvious. It immediately got called out. If he had disclosed, the backlash wouldn't have happened. Maybe there would have been a different backlash, sure. I don't know. I probably wouldn't have clicked a "switch fans are cray" thread (nah, I would've).

All I'm saying is that this backlash was appropriate. If you want to make a general point, make a general point. Don't target a group, nudge the audience about your silent targeting, and then expect to have a normal discussion. You've started out badly, whether it was your intention or not, and you're going to end badly.


What is your investment here, I wonder?
I've recieved a lot of personal attacks about the thread which don't really bother me. But my point is pretty claim. It boils down to play stupid games, get stupid prizes. But you're here caping for how it's okay to wink and nudge about specific groups while making general rhetoric. I've forgiven the OP, I don't give a fuck personally, but you want to argue that it was always okay. Why? Why not just make a better thread? Why not provide general examples on a general topic and specific examples about a specific topic?

Because, you still don't understand why he made the thread. You are still determined to believe it was that specific reason, and you are wrong.

OP was not targeting a group. The group made him think of the topic that he wanted to talk about in general.

The reason he made the thread is not so "obvious" when you still don't understand why that is.

You keep acting like you've figured out why OP made the thread. You keep saying "OP was trying to target a specific group but was dishonest about it" and when I say that's what you're saying, you go "Oh I wasn't saying that! I just said it was very clear that OP wanted to directly target Nintendo fans but was dishonest about it."
 

SiG

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Basically what you're asking for is an end to console wars (or platform wars in general).

That's a nice sentiment.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Totally agree with review threads. There's literally nothing to talk about in there other than scores and validations.

If you want to talk about the game, there are preview threads and/or OTs for that.

Disagree in that they should be abolished. It's a good place to find all the differing opinions about the related game in one convenient spot. In fact, it is in the OTs where negative/conflicting opinions tend to be attacked by the fans.

I was naive enough to step into the review thread for God of War at launch when it got universal praise, suggesting maybe people should play the game themselves to judge and not just trust the hype of reviews, and got slaughtered.

This is off topic (kinda, I suppose), but I can never understand this sentiment. The primary function of reviews is to inform whether people should spend money to buy a specific game or not, if you are asking people to spend money to play the the game themselves first before making any judgment about it, then what's the purpose of reviews? This is especially true since games are not exactly cheap nowadays to buy.
 
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MysticGon

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I like to see the competition between the companies. I like seeing who is beating who in sales and revenue. I like to see which games are successful and which ones flop. If anyone of these billion dollar companies do something worthy of criticism I like armchair quarterbacking. But that's the line. Why take things personally or criticize someone for their own taste. This is an industry built around fun and games for God sake.
 

paulc

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Review threads are great. OP is always a good summary to read on release day.

Seriously though is this thread just reactionary due to the Switch being the hot topic this year? I'm sure when the next PS/Xbox come out the same threads will be made regarding those consoles. It's just an endless cycle.
 

Magoo

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Site has been weird lately.

People still call it a Sony fan site because Gaf had more of them. But now every Sony thread turns into something about cross play and some of the fans have said they're sticking to Discord. MS have had a better time of it lately but some of those fans still preemptively start shit in their own threads and drive by 'joke' in others but hate it if someone does it in theirs. And the hardcore Nintendo fans will jump on anyone that isn't 100% complementary about the system or games.

All in all, the place is thriving on negativity again. Some people have multiple warnings and bans for console wars but they get right back to it after a week or two of keeping out of the way. It's like some just enjoy arguing and the attention their posts get more than the actual gaming.
 
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nib95

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People like this do not add anything of value to critical discussion and that's why they're annoying to read and deal with.

Don't you think it's somewhat rich for you of all people to be talking about adding posts of value to critical discussions, when your brand of "joyful trolling" as you yourself put it, is some of the most reductive, antagonistic and low effort of all?

It isn't even people being joyful or over enthusiastic about their favourite platforms that personally ever bothers me, but as others have also alluded to, it's low effort hot takes / negativity.


It's a good movie, but a mediocre game.

Yeah Naughty Dog games are the poster child for watching other people play games.

Well I'm not that interested in TLoU 2, Spiderman, Ghosts of Tsushima, or Death Stranding. These all seem to be story-focused games with mediocre at best gameplay as far as I can tell.

The lack of jumping really limited the level design. I can't in good faith say it was more than okay because of this.

Arrogant Sony slowly on the rise again?

Why stop there? If it's realism you seek in a post-apocalyptic world, then brutal rape and, yes, pedophilia have to be depicted, as well.

I like to strike a balance between joyful trolling and thoughtful discourse.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Because, you still don't understand why he made the thread. You are still determined to believe it was that specific reason, and you are wrong.

OP was not targeting a group. The group made him think of the topic that he wanted to talk about in general.

The reason he made the thread is not so "obvious" when you still don't understand why that is.

You keep acting like you've figured out why OP made the thread. You keep saying "OP was trying to target a specific group but was dishonest about it" and when I say that's what you're saying, you go "Oh I wasn't saying that! I just said it was very clear that OP wanted to directly target Nintendo fans but was dishonest about it."
Last post. You're putting me to sleep and I have to go out anyway.

I NEVER SAID THAT'S WHY HE MADE THE THREAD.

Never did. Never believed it. Never implied it.

Just said, if that was the trigger, acknowledge, don't weakly nod at one group. If you do that, people will notice and call you out for not being objective like you're claiming.

Again, as I said previously, again, referencing back to things that happened before, AGAIN, I don't think the point of the thread was to attack Switch owners. But it did, OP acknowledged it was in the goddamn first post, and still motherfuckers want to pretend like it wasn't.
 

Kasey

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I find it constructive to avoid assuming a poster's intent outside the text of their post. Obviously concern trolling and fanboy tit-for-tats are part of the discussion on any video game forum, but too often I feel people mix up genuine positive or negative takes on a subject with trolling and bad faith posting just because they see a narrative forming and then lump everyone who feels a certain way together.
 

Chettlar

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Last post. You're putting me to sleep and I have to go out anyway.

I NEVER SAID THAT'S WHY HE MADE THE THREAD.

Never did. Never believed it. Never implied it.

Just said, if that was the trigger, acknowledge, don't weakly nod at one group. If you do that, people will notice and call you out for not being objective like you're claiming.

Again, as I said previously, again, referencing back to things that happened before, AGAIN, I don't think the point of the thread was to attack Switch owners. But it did, OP acknowledged it was in the goddamn first post, and still motherfuckers want to pretend like it wasn't.

Please explain what this means:

The problem is that the reason he made the thread was obvious. That's why it backfired.

So what is that "obvious" reason he made the thread that was the reason it backfired?

Because if I am wrong based on what I said, then you have never clearly stated it.

This "I am so bored of this" thing is so juvenile dude. Wow you're so much cooler than me. I'm so sorry I can't entertain you. I feel so bad the thread no longer entertains you.
 

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Disagree in that they should be abolished. It's a good onvenient place to find all the differing opinions about the related game in one convenient spot. In fact, it is in the OTs where negative/conflicting opinions tend to be attacked by the fans.



This is off topic (kinda, I suppose), but I can never understand this sentiment. The primary function of reviews is to inform whether people should spend money to buy a specific game or not, if you are asking people to spend money to play the the game themselves first before making any judgment about it, then what's the purpose of reviews? This is especially true since games are not exactly cheap nowadays to buy.

You don't see differing opinions. It's an echo chamber of metacritic predictions, back slapping and outrage at outlets.

OTs should be the place for differing opinions if they are moderated properly and not allowed to become echo chaembers of hype.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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You don't see differing opinions. It's an echo chamber of metacritic predictions, back slapping and outrage at outlets.

OTs should be the place for differing opinions if they are moderated properly and not allowed to become echo chaembers of hype.

Maybe I am just seeing things, but generally the sentiment has always been that OTs are considerd as "safe places", so to speak. The same in GAF, and in here too.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Please explain what this means:

So what is that "obvious" reason he made the thread that was the reason it backfired?

Because if I am wrong based on what I said, then you have never clearly stated it.

This "I am so bored of this" thing is so juvenile dude. Wow you're so much cooler than me. I'm so sorry I can't entertain you. I feel so bad the thread no longer entertains you.
Lol really?

He made the thread because he was annoyed by switch fans in the octopath thread... As previously stated a hundred times...

And you wonder why the conversation isn't interesting
 

Chettlar

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Lol really?

He made the thread because he was annoyed by switch fans in the octopath thread... As previously stated a hundred times...

And you wonder why the conversation isn't interesting

...That's what I said too.

But you've got this bizarre belief that he had to disclose that immediately because otherwise he's being "dishonest."

No dude, you are literally inventing a problem. There is no reasonable reason why OP had to disclose that.

Again. You try to make a thread where you state that outright. See how it goes for you.
 
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...That's what I said too.

But you've got this bizarre belief that he had to disclose that immediately because otherwise he's being "dishonest."

No dude, you are literally inventing a problem. There is no reasonable reason why OP had to disclose that.

Again. You try to make a thread where you state that outright. See how it goes for you.
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So...You've acknowledged that the thread was created with undisclosed but obvious irritation specifically aimed at switch but framed as if it was objective. Think we all agree it backfired.

I'll make whatever threads I want about about whatever I want, thanks. You can be sure that I've learned how not to make a thread from today so don't worry about that. The rest is really on you. Peace
 

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It isn't really productive to have a thread dedicated to complaining about particular communities. It will simply lead to more platform wars.
 
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