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The fun part is they'll censor on their own turfs the fact that it was a celebrity that came up with their name, and the entire reason their subreddit exists is because Penny Arcade Forums, r/gaming, and a bunch of other forums looked at Eron's post (which he registered and posted at those places himself), vetted it, found out it was made up and all deleted and banned it as him obviously trying to do a drive-by shitpost, so they created their subreddit to get around the fact that multiple independent moderating teams actually did their homework.

Like straight up, one of the supposed reviews he wailed on about literally doesn't even exist.

And then if you do get some to talk about it, they'll do the "we're actually about ___" or "that was then, we're about _____ now", but if you speak up with literal sourcing links to what they said themselves back then, you'll get banned. lol.
 
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Me saying that Zoe Quinn might have been emotionally abusive is not me saying that she had it coming. Which I have said repeatedly. And literally the first paragraph of that blog post says, "Even if someone is an abuser, they are entitled to not being harassed, doxxed, or subjected to misogyny."

Is the zoepost itself nothing but a malicious attack or is it a detailing of real emotional abuse? Is Gjoni's awful behavior (encouraging 4chan, etc) after the fact enough to dismiss every single abusive thing he chronicled in that post as nothing but lies? And even if his exact reasons for posting the zoepost were to get a bunch of sociopaths to attack her, does this mean that every thing chronicled in the zoepost is a lie? Emotional abuse is abuse. It's not just, "Oh, she was just not being nice."
Do you personally know Zoe Quinn?
 

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Do the same people who were up in arms about Doc also denounce Zoe's cheating? Just curious.
 

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The dude literally admitted he knew his posts would be deleted and they would result in harassment.

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My favorite is the people who say that "gamergate doesn't exist anymore, stop calling people gamergaters".
It's the same shit with people saying "don't call people Nazis".
The Internet is a garbage cesspool where gross people, like gamergaters, can easily spread their messages of hate and indoctrinate kids and stupid people all while being in the comfort of their own home.
 

Adree

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Do the same people who were up in arms about Doc also denounce Zoe's cheating? Just curious.

Crazy how to this day Dr. Disrespect and every other male streamer get harassed daily because of his sins he admitted on camera. All those death threats. I'm sure his Kiwi doxx thread is up to 70000 pages by now. /s
 

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Gamergate is still getting support because people are oblivious to their own underlying misogyny, and will latch on to any justification that will help them channel this attitude towards women. As long as the illusion is in place, people can act out without feeling they are being a bad person. That's why Gaters and their ilk spend most of their time setting up proxy wars and sending it out in the world. You see the exact same type of shit with black people and bigoted publications. Racists are happy to jump on the hate-train as long as long as they have some excuse that will make them think they're getting riled up for other reasons than just their racism. 'So and so might have been the victim of some unacceptable injustice, BUT they were no angel! Source: Some unflattering photo and a Facebook post from 6 years ago.'

These tactics don't just work to mobilise your bigots, but they are also provide a great distraction for the more naive amongst us. As long as the hatemobs can operate a degree away from what they're actually about, the folks in the middle might actually frustratingly believe that all of this in fact only about this dog whistle subject. They'll also resist against the people trying to pull the curtain back, because they'll think trying to discuss the bigotry involved is unrelated to this particular instance. I feel bad for the people who fell into this trap, but they need to realise what they're contributing to.
 
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There were definitely useful idiots at one point who came up with the idea that Gamergate was about their favourite games not getting the scores they wanted, except it's really only the useful idiots who were about that, if you went into 8chan or wherever there was no escaping anti-Semitic stuff or racist and misogynistic rhetoric.

Basically, either you were insisting that Gamergate was about something else without having actually talked to any other Gamergate people or knowing what Gamergate was about, or you hung around with the Gamergate crowd for the hatred.

Yeah i thought as much but thanks for the clarification
 
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It's a movement/hashtag/mob that they self-identify as. There is no set list of objectives because that's how they had plausible deniability and could say "well, that wasn't us". Their unifying theory is "ethics in games journalism" but that really just means attacking anyone who dares care about social issues in relation to games or is friends with another journalist, etc. The rationalwiki page linked in this thread probably explains it well enough.



What you are describing is the massive misunderstanding of "GamesJournosPros" that GG tried to push. It was just a Google group for journalists to discuss things, arrange doing multiplayer for embargoed games, etc.

GG of course learned about this very early and thought they'd discovered the illuminati pulling the industry's strings they were seeking. But this was still weeks after it started by attacking Zoe Quinn, and then branding as GG and attacking other women.

First few links on Googling it are all GG resources but this explanation by its creator seems ok enough.

Hry. Thanks for this. i thought that even if they were connected it was only in the loosest sense.

thanks for the follow up reading
 

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Because there's really not a whole lot you can do about a person determined to be terrible on the internet. Not only that, but most people have never even heard of GG.

That being said, GG isn't what it once was. If I had to guess, at this point the hardcore supporters are in the thousands and it will continue to shrink over time. We just need to continue doing what we can.
 

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One thing that's clear is that a big reason it continues to survive is the number of people who absolutely insist on ignoring it and doing nothing about it. You can see that with the ArenaNet firings where people refuse to engage on the topic and insist on focusing solely on Price's tweets while ignoring the context around them. They just want to pretend it doesn't exist.
 

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Have you seen the backlash Black Widow is getting? Or The Last Jedi? Large communities of nerds fucking hate women.
 

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One thing that's clear is that a big reason it continues to survive is the number of people who absolutely insist on ignoring it and doing nothing about it. You can see that with the ArenaNet firings where people refuse to engage on the topic and insist on focusing solely on Price's tweets while ignoring the context around them. They just want to pretend it doesn't exist.
There are huge swaths of that thread insisting what deroir tweeted is 100% polite. Its at best a terrible way to start a dialogue and worst the equivalent of a pen telling a professional women how to do her job. Telling other women in that thread it's polite signals to everyone we don't care what your opinion on our opinion is as long as we don't call you a bitch in the process.
It's a mirror of the gg stuff. Men running around lacking empathy not believing women because of some misguided slight against them.
 

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Gaming and a lot of nerd culture appeals to socially isolated men, and socially isolated men are the most likely group to become politically radicalised online, without even realising they've become radicalised.

I know a couple of people IRL who became drawn into this bullshit and what's disturbing is how entirely reasonable they think their viewpoints are. They have no idea they're outliers and how extreme they would come across to actual reasonable people.
 
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We're still talking about a woman's private sex life as "abuse"? Fuck the fuck off. Gamergate can eat shit and burn in hell and anyone rationalizing or defending them is a pathetic coward.

More on topic; it's still a thing because gaming culture is full of mysogynist morons who think their right to masturbate to underage anime characters in video games is more important than actual human beings having the right to live without daily death threats forcing them to flee their homes because the police doesn't give a shit or understand online doxxing even remotely.
 

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Do the same people who were up in arms about Doc also denounce Zoe's cheating? Just curious.

I know you are banned, but did Doc's cheating ended with him being called a whore, accused of having sex with people as some kind of payment for promotion and getting a relentless mob to harass him to the point of having to change house? Or did he just say it, had a lot of symphatizers and came back with no harassment and enjoying the same success he had before like nothing happened?
 
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I feel like these threads are just a way to "purge" ERA. I cannot stand hate movements, and I'll never understand why people hate anyone for any of these stupid reasons. Be happy, and do what makes you happy, that's all I care about.

With that being said I genuinely don't understand why some of these people are getting banned in this thread .. and the reasoning is somewhat reaching for some of them.. like someone genuinely can't ask a question about it or banned, if you don't know what gamersgate is, banned. Heck.. I don't know what gamers gate is and I'm afraid to ask because everyone always gets banned for asking about it as if we're "faking" ignorance.

Is it just like a "left or right" thing? Every time I've tried to look it up I'm more confused. Is it just a group of hateful gamers? More than gamers? Just a blanket statement for bigotry in games?

I know I live in a bubble - I literally go to work, come home, help with the 5 kids, cook dinner, play games, spend time with the wife, go to bed, and do it all over again.

I use resetera for gaming news... So can someone explain to me exactly what it is and why people are getting banned for asking about it?
 

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Gaming and a lot of nerd culture appeals to socially isolated men, and socially isolated men are the most likely group to become politically radicalised online, without even realising they've become radicalised.

I know a couple of people IRL who became drawn into this bullshit and what's disturbing is how entirely reasonable they think their viewpoints are. They have no idea they're outliers and how extreme they would come across to actual reasonable people.
Well said. I've come across plenty of people in real life and online who have fallen into this shit and don't even realize it.
 

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Because the underlying problems that pushed people toward Gamergate in the first place are s till there.

Millions of socially maladjusted mostly boys and men, eager to pin the blame for their social failures on anyone else rather than take a look at themselves and grow as a person -- because they have nobody to force them to understand that personally, or are otherwise so far gone that they wouldn't listen to anyone else anyway.

Gamergate works in the same way Nazi Party recruitment worked. They echo the problems people have, especially when those people don't understand the problem. They then point fingers at the groups they want to lambast, primarily women, PoC, LGBT, etc. in the gaming industry. They use examples for why they're bad, like, "It's censorship!" when talking about localization changes from Japan to the US market, or art changes, "They censor tiddies because they want to have a monopoly on them!" or they'll use whatever is convenient at the time, like Price, and openly defend MO even though multiple people have called him out explicitly for his leadership failures that apparently lead to harassment and toxic environment for women at Arenanet. "She harassed this guy for no reason, women like her have no place!"

Before, they were careful. They couldn't do it OPENLY for risk of exposing themselves and getting banned. But, for the most part, Youtube, Twitter, and Reddit didn't fucking ban them when they had the chance. An awful lot of people in Gamergate thought "ethics in games journalism" was the thing they were campaigning about, because when the movement was attacked, they would be on the front line. "I only care about ethics in games journalism!" These people were recruited with Driv3r and the Kane and Lynch firings, and once they were on board with that, the fake bullshit about Zoe Quinn linked those with a a woman. From there, they're that much more open to the use of stereotypes as dog whistles; portraying "gamer girls" as complete morons who "Don't even play games, so why would they want them changed?" (They tell you the reason -- it's because they hate YOU specifically.)

At the ground floor, "ethics in games journalism" seems like a reasonable take when you consider reviewers being fired because they didn't give a bad game good reviews, or publishers paying for good reviews of their games. But the 'leaders' of the gamergate movement knew that, and always intended to use them as a motte and bailey argument, while then turning around and accusing the other side of exactly what they were doing.

So to recap, maladjusted men who feel like they have something to lose because it's the only thing they have railing against a changing industry out of fear for what it would look like if it did change. Their numbers have declined on paper. They no longer have the crowds of people who talk about "Ethics in games journalism" because as time went on, it became very, very obvious that they were being used as a shield so others could just harass women and try to enforce a conservative worldview that, conveniently, had no place for women, PoC, or LGBT protagonists. Or antagonists. Or top billing, or anywhere at all.

But in practice, they're just as big as they ever were, just no longer part of the same movement.Instead, it's well-poisoning from individual people, communities dealing with perceived problems.

On the guildwars2 reddit right now, there's a post with the top comment being "See? It's JUST SOME women and outsiders and games journalists saying this is a problem, it's not a problem! See, look at this curated video and tell me it's a problem!" and "Jessica Price IS a story writer, she just wrote another story is all."

Instead of a single movement, it's now a movement across the entire industry centered in every single community, and the backlash from taking a good stand on the issue would rend these communities apart...because in practice, the number of maladjusted men has increased, the culture war, for now, appears to be leaning in their direction, they feel they can be open and honest about what they feel, and the moderation teams in these communities either sympathize with those ideas or fear the community won't be able to take it. Cowards all.

IT's still prevalent because it's still a feeling of community, it's still something people can identify with, and as it's an identity that gets rightfully attacked, it's something that fosters still greater sense of community. They should be banned on sight without a reason given.
 

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It's nothing as complex as them 'fearing their hobby is being taken over by females'. They're just another branch of the incel family tree. They can't stand the fact that there are all these girls who seem to share their interests, yet they're completely unable to attract them because the stench of their loserness is so overpowering. "If we can't fuck you, we'll fuck with you" is as complex as they get
 

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I feel like these threads are just a way to "purge" ERA. I cannot stand hate movements, and I'll never understand why people hate anyone for any of these stupid reasons. Be happy, and do what makes you happy, that's all I care about.

With that being said I genuinely don't understand why some of these people are getting banned in this thread .. and the reasoning is somewhat reaching for some of them.. like someone genuinely can't ask a question about it or banned, if you don't know what gamersgate is, banned. Heck.. I don't know what gamers gate is and I'm afraid to ask because everyone always gets banned for asking about it as if we're "faking" ignorance.

Is it just like a "left or right" thing? Every time I've tried to look it up I'm more confused. Is it just a group of hateful gamers? More than gamers? Just a blanket statement for bigotry in games?

I know I live in a bubble - I literally go to work, come home, help with the 5 kids, cook dinner, play games, spend time with the wife, go to bed, and do it all over again.

I use resetera for gaming news... So can someone explain to me exactly what it is and why people are getting banned for asking about it?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gamergate
 

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100% agree , there is to many man babies who don't like the fact that womyn and minorities like some of the same things they do.

I mean everyone know's the Last Jedi is the best Star wars film ever made , any one who doesn't agree with that is a sexist , Racist and a transphobe obviously

Also we are in the greatest era for diverse Game journalism at the moment , I mean i can read about some uppity San Francisco native talk about the issues with Octopath Traveler and how its a grind or i can go check out forbes , and read about Total Biscuit being a sexist who hates all woman especially trans woman after he stopped talking to Laura Kate pale.

Accept it games media is laughable.

theirs a real issue guys and its time we looked at our self's on this forum !!! together we can make gaming a better place for everyone
 

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Love the creator of r/KotakuinAction shutting down the subreddit because even he admits it's a cesspool of harassment but Reddit admins restoring it after 30 minutes lmao.

http://archive.is/gLI3H

lol, and the admins have told people before they can't do anything about subsquatters (people that automated registering a bunch of subreddits in the early days) or sub-hijacks from accounts forgetting to log in, but they can totally reverse the creator of a subreddit wanting to close his own subreddit?
 

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A lot of people who become extremely involved with gaming or internet in general tend to alienate themselves (partially or fully) from normal social activities and duties. A place where you can be practically anonymous and spit out all kinds of bullshit without major consequences is basically going to be grounds for all kinds of toxic shit. What's the worst that can happen, you get banned from a place? New account and done. If you were to harass a coworker, for example, you might lose your job and thus your income, possibly even be involved in a judiciary case. And, well, in that context you learn to act differently even if you didn't know how to earlier. Online communities often encourage toxicity with upvotes or funny answers, so it's not shocking something toxic and disgusting like gamergate is so popular among gamers.
 

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I feel like these threads are just a way to "purge" ERA. I cannot stand hate movements, and I'll never understand why people hate anyone for any of these stupid reasons. Be happy, and do what makes you happy, that's all I care about.

With that being said I genuinely don't understand why some of these people are getting banned in this thread .. and the reasoning is somewhat reaching for some of them.. like someone genuinely can't ask a question about it or banned, if you don't know what gamersgate is, banned. Heck.. I don't know what gamers gate is and I'm afraid to ask because everyone always gets banned for asking about it as if we're "faking" ignorance.

Is it just like a "left or right" thing? Every time I've tried to look it up I'm more confused. Is it just a group of hateful gamers? More than gamers? Just a blanket statement for bigotry in games?

I know I live in a bubble - I literally go to work, come home, help with the 5 kids, cook dinner, play games, spend time with the wife, go to bed, and do it all over again.

I use resetera for gaming news... So can someone explain to me exactly what it is and why people are getting banned for asking about it?

There's plenty of links out there about GG:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...to-read/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5f4f0018837e
 

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often disturbed maladjusted people who feel bad about themselves get a sick pleasure by putting down others. in general young people seem to think only of themsevles - they don't realize or care that their actions affect others

many gg'ers are not young - they are in their 20's and 30's.
 

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Bingo. This always was a thing, it just never had a name. Even before video games were huge it was a problem in the tabletop community.
110% in line with my experience growing up on the East Coast- when the internet was still the world wide web, the exact same mentalities about women and nonwhites existed in most hobby stores I visited but did not frequent. I'll refrain from going on and on about the kind of people these were and are, but I think we have enough voices talking about that. Loathed it then, loath it now.
 
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I feel like these threads are just a way to "purge" ERA. I cannot stand hate movements, and I'll never understand why people hate anyone for any of these stupid reasons. Be happy, and do what makes you happy, that's all I care about.

With that being said I genuinely don't understand why some of these people are getting banned in this thread .. and the reasoning is somewhat reaching for some of them.. like someone genuinely can't ask a question about it or banned, if you don't know what gamersgate is, banned. Heck.. I don't know what gamers gate is and I'm afraid to ask because everyone always gets banned for asking about it as if we're "faking" ignorance.

Is it just like a "left or right" thing? Every time I've tried to look it up I'm more confused. Is it just a group of hateful gamers? More than gamers? Just a blanket statement for bigotry in games?

I know I live in a bubble - I literally go to work, come home, help with the 5 kids, cook dinner, play games, spend time with the wife, go to bed, and do it all over again.

I use resetera for gaming news... So can someone explain to me exactly what it is and why people are getting banned for asking about it?

I think the issue at this point is that a lot of questions framed like this tend to be disingenuous as a means to sprinkle bits of misinformation to throw gas on a fire.
 

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A long-standing culture of toxic misogynistic entitlement and frankly, maybe us not doing enough as a community to disrupt that toxicity.
 

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I think totalbiscuits comments were stupid but I do think he was more of a useful idiot, I can see why people hate him because of the movement that used him and his stubbornness to admit a mistake (Something he never did or not without caveat).

TB really had beef with games journalism far before Gamergate. Mostly regarding review copies, double standards between games, pretty genuine stuff. He was very strongly against most games media and distrustful, when GG happened he saw it for what they were trying to pretend it was. About a girl allegedly sleeping for review scores. He hopped in the taxi without checking who the driver was. I don't think he was a hateful person, maybe I don't want to think he was. But I honestly believe he initially hopped on due to his previous campaign against games media. What he said was wrong, his stubbornness to admit it had become (or initially was) a hate movement and potentially look bad by doing so and leaving his engrained trench was wrong. It's a dark mark for many and deservedly so. I just think it needs to be said by someone that enjoyed his content and might know his opinions a bit better then most that he likely was a useful idiot.
Yeah TB really didn't need GG to do what he always tried to do, to be a consumer advocate. So it always frustrated me and soured me on him that he didn't clearly and directly condemn it. I'm not sure why people are painting him as some figurehead though (especially when guys like AlphaOmegaSin and Sargon exists, and no doubt more guys I'm not aware of). He largely didn't talk about the movement at all expect on few occasions during the years, mostly to defend himself. Nor was he really interested in the "fight" against "SJW:s" that Gamergaters are doing. Yeah he was extremely popular so even the brief support reached a large audience, but as an alleged leader he really didn't do it well then. He wanted to move on without taking any responsibility and apologizing to the victims of GG harassment, he just tried to wash his own hands clean from it. He did stand up against bigotry, hatred and bullying on occasions (adressing his own audience and telling who aren't wanted), but never against GG directly (except harassment part). Probably because it would had been admitting that he fucked up when signaling and supporting it. He wanted people to see nuance, that it's a diverse group and not everyone was hateful or a harasser. But as he had said himself, "it's just a hashtag any idiot can use it", he didn't need it. So he shouldn't have sticked with it, especially since the movement was rotten from the start. If you don't want to get labeled in a way you consider unfair, then don't defend harmful movements but criticize them. It would had been so easy.

To sum up my thoughts. I think I agree with your assessment. TB jumped in to the movement with good intentions, but didn't do enough to disassociate himself and especially condemn the movement he had misguidedly supported and defended at the start. So it's not unfair to call him a GG:er, as he did support it. But trying attach any labels of being hateful, alt-right (or even right wing) and so on is a step too far. As only indication of this would be the support for the movement, but there's more examples of him behaving and talking against such things that GG is known for and also aligning politically as a leftist and liberal.
 
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However GG started, all you need to know is that the legit, actual, no holds barred hate site "Return of Kings" (no I won't link it and never, ever go there. Its absolute filth) starting covering games and gaming due to gamer gate. Whatever minor concerns about certain sites and certain reporting being too "chummy" with devs/publishers, how it evolved and what it turned into makes nothing about GG defensible.

I liked Total Biscut a lot and I was sad to hear about his passing but this is a black mark on his legacy. Once GG got rolling, the real GG (hate mob), there was no way to claim it was about ethics, pay to play or anything more salacious. The forbes article wouldn't have been written if he had said "I regret being the figurehead at the start of this movement".
 
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Hry. Thanks for this. i thought that even if they were connected it was only in the loosest sense.

thanks for the follow up reading

I think they're more strongly connected now, since they've got specific hangouts like KotakuInAction and 8chan which you wouldn't be in unless you're an awful person or trying to observe them in their natural habitat; there's no way to be there without seeing harassment campaign fuel and right wing extremist rhetoric on a regular basis, so you know what you're in for when you're there.

So I can't disagree with the people who say your friend is lying, in that there were people who were genuinely people who supported Gamergate without knowing what it was during the height of the movement, but it's 2018 now. Either you've read up, learned what it was, and abandoned that label, or you've gone to the place where you've learned that it's a hate movement and continued to support it.

I've seen plenty of people use the "sorry, I thought Gamergate was about something else" defense this year, and in every single case they've demonstrated that they were lying through their teeth.




I'll even give you an example. Here you've got a guy who posted a Gamergate-written article faking their own history, and when told about how they similarly tried to rewrite Wikipedia and failed, tries to demonize Wikipedia while still pretending to be some innocent bystander who knows nothing about Gamergate.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-message-to-resetera-from-denis-dyack.3867/page-5#post-502092

I did not know that. I just saw that there were 40 footnote links and that just about every statement seemed to be sourced (I'm a big proponent of primary sources). I didn't read it so I didn't know that anybody considered it biased. Still, with that many sources, at the very least, you can bypass KYM's bias and see the material directly.

Completely aside from GamerGate, my experiences with Wikipedia shows it to be biased as hell and unscrupulous editors can game the system to badmouth others. I was banned from editing my own page, despite it containing provable factual inaccuracies, because a person who was stalking me at the time managed to convince the other editors that my participation violated a neutral POV policy - despite the fact that the article included information that I, and I alone, was privy to (which they outright lied about). I ended up petitioning Wikipedia to remove the page on me on account that I wasn't notable enough to warrant one. The way that enemies can use Wikipedia as a vector of attack has left a very sour taste in my mouth.

Anything contemporary and contentious, I would caution against using Wikipedia's version of it. Even if you agree with them.

Then here you have, months later, the same person admitting that they're a member of Gamergate and trying to pretend that the movement has been misrepresented, when it's already been demonstrated to him that it isn't.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gaming-culture-is-toxic-gamers-arent-good.23298/page-3#post-4538530

I already have been. Twice. Once, I was banned for "sexism argumentation" for quoting Amy Henning and saying that my experience in the game industry suggested that the game industry is not as sexist as is being reported, and once for racism for saying that someone had the legal right to use the "n-word".

And if you don't believe me:

I am a member of GamerGate. I am willing to have a discussion about GamerGate, the gaming community, game journalism, white supremacy, harassment, or anything else. I feel like GamerGate has been incorrectly maligned and is the victim of a smear campaign by the very group of journalists it was originally created as a response to. There are a lot of misconceptions that I feel like I could clear up in a discussion. I will respectfully listen and respond, though I will not always agree or see eye to eye on particular subjects. And where we agree, it's possible that I may disagree on the extent to which we agree. But I will guarantee a civil discussion, at least on my end, in which no rules will be broken and all participants are treated with dignity and respect.

If they're still supporting Gamergate now and they say they don't know what it is, they are lying. It's a standard tactic.
 
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I remember engaging with folks at the height of this a year ago that were linking white supremacist nonsense site Daily Stormer related gg pieces as "evidence" of their opinion.
 
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"I don't know anything about this but here's a Breitbart link" used to be pretty common.

Yeah a lot of folks that view gaming within a bubble refused to believe that outside groups that directly related to their little hobby could possibly be trying to influence them. Honestly, what was most disturbing is that they came off as young and male (no surprise there) which I think you could see the seeds laid now for various other little factions of alt-right bs and the incel crowd.
 

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I remember engaging with folks at the height of this a year ago that were linking white supremacist nonsense site Daily Stormer related gg pieces as "evidence" of their opinion.
It's evidence that people agree with them unfortunately.

This is a terrible unintended and surprisingly not predicted side effect of the internet and information highway.

I used to at least tell people, not that I predicted that this would happen to this degree, the main reason I wouldn't use FB and other things is because news feeds and so on and people sharing crazy ass opinions will get promoted by others with similar opinions

And the most aggressive people are unfortunately the ones who have terrible, terrible opinions and troll attitudes and it's easiest through the internet for them to promote their attitudes

If anyone watched the Republican neocons in the hearing yesterday with Peter Strzok, these so called Gamer Gaters style of attacking is exactly present there in their attacks it's not exclusive to games at all, it has existed in the narrative of politics and the world for decades but now it is known to these assholes that others are willing to do it to and it empowers them, this is unfortunately what the internet provided

It intuitively made sense that it would help people share the good of the world, but we underestimated how much of the bad it would share as well
 

Aaron

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100% agree , there is to many man babies who don't like the fact that womyn and minorities like some of the same things they do.

I mean everyone know's the Last Jedi is the best Star wars film ever made , any one who doesn't agree with that is a sexist , Racist and a transphobe obviously

Also we are in the greatest era for diverse Game journalism at the moment , I mean i can read about some uppity San Francisco native talk about the issues with Octopath Traveler and how its a grind or i can go check out forbes , and read about Total Biscuit being a sexist who hates all woman especially trans woman after he stopped talking to Laura Kate pale.

Accept it games media is laughable.

theirs a real issue guys and its time we looked at our self's on this forum !!! together we can make gaming a better place for everyone
I bet you thought this was peak satire.
 

mael

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I remember engaging with folks at the height of this a year ago that were linking white supremacist nonsense site Daily Stormer related gg pieces as "evidence" of their opinion.
These idiots convinced themselves that Breitbart was somehow a journalistic news source.
They were also pretty happy going into 8chan aka pedo4chan and claim everyone else but them were against pedophilia.
They would accept the literal devil with open arms if it told them he was with them.

However GG started, all you need to know is that the legit, actual, no holds barred hate site "Return of Kings" (no I won't link it and never, ever go there. Its absolute filth) starting covering games and gaming due to gamer gate. Whatever minor concerns about certain sites and certain reporting being too "chummy" with devs/publishers, how it evolved and what it turned into makes nothing about GG defensible.

I liked Total Biscut a lot and I was sad to hear about his passing but this is a black mark on his legacy. Once GG got rolling, the real GG (hate mob), there was no way to claim it was about ethics, pay to play or anything more salacious. The forbes article wouldn't have been written if he had said "I regret being the figurehead at the start of this movement".
It was pretty 'funny' to see GG go after a game dev for a free game while also making sure to avoid any kind of bad press for whatever the fuck WB was trying to do with the 1st LotR Mordor game.
Transparent fucks.
 

L Thammy

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These idiots convinced themselves that Breitbart was somehow a journalistic news source.
They were also pretty happy going into 8chan aka pedo4chan and claim everyone else but them were against pedophilia.
They would accept the literal devil with open arms if it told them he was with them.

Is this the part where I post the images of Gamergaters trying to team up with Jack Thompson? Because that happened, and I've seen the screenshots.

(The takeaway from that is that they don't even care if their allies want to destroy gaming as a whole at this point; that's not what they're trying to defend.)
 

mael

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Is this the part where I post the images of Gamergaters trying to team up with Jack Thompson? Because that happened, and I've seen the screenshots.
But women are trying to get your games away from you! Let me bring back and team up with the guy who was literally trying to ban games with the power of the law.